How far into Revelation are we now?

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Odd that you should phrase your position in that manner, 'when Jesus returns'. That's exactly my point. The passage in 19 doesn't say that Jesus then climbed upon a white horse. It posits that Jesus is already on the white horse. How long has he been on that white horse?
You are saying Jesus has been on a white horse for 2000 years?

What the bible says is that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. Until the day of his wrath comes.

Psalms 110:4-6
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

Jesus comes on the white horse to spread the message of salvation across the globe that provides victory to him by conquering the hearts of men.
The Holy Spirit brings the message of salvation and inspiring Christians to spread the gospel - which the seven churches in the first 3 chapters of Revelation are Jesus's "mine angel"
messenger of the gospel.

Jesus did not ride a white horse having salvation. He rode humbly on a donkey.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

All I'm saying is that, based on strictly the evidence found in the passage, there isn't really any reason to think that the first horsemen is of the same manner as the next three.
The evidence? The evidence when examining the seals shows that it is not Jesus, but the Antichrist. It doesn't say anything about bring salvation by the rider on the white horse, who is given "a" crown.


If you didn't go outside of the passage and read about Jesus riding a white horse when he returns in Revelation 19, what "evidence" strictly from this text of a rider who is followed by other riders bringing death and destruction?

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

What you are doing, ted, is taking what you read about Jesus riding a white horse in Revelation 19, and transferring that into Revelation 6:2. You have put Jesus riding a horse on earth 2000 years since the crucifixion.

Jesus, right now, is in heaven, at the throne of God, sitting as His right hand.
 
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Hi douggg,

Thanks for your response. You wrote:
You are saying Jesus has been on a white horse for 2000 years?

No, not really. I'm just saying that Jesus, in that the passage in 19, doesn't give us any indication that Jesus just got on the white horse in that moment and might not have been on the white horse before.

You also wrote:
The Holy Spirit brings the message of salvation and inspiring Christians to spread the gospel - which the seven churches in the first 3 chapters of Revelation are Jesus's "mine angel"
messenger of the gospel.

That is not a true statement. The Holy Spirit pricks the heart as it hears the gospel. The Holy Spirit did not bring the gospel or spread the gospel. Jesus brought the gospel and commissioned his first apostles to go out into all the world spreading the gospel. I disagree with pretty much all of the 'job' of the Holy Spirit that you have listed.

You then wrote:
The evidence? The evidence when examining the seals shows that it is not Jesus, but the Antichrist. It doesn't say anything about bring salvation by the rider on the white horse, who is given "a" crown.

I also disagree with this understanding that the 'evidence' shows that it is not Jesus. You're correct that it doesn't say the word 'salvation', but then neither does it say the word 'Antichrist'. As I have already made the claim that the descriptive words are more in line with what we read about Jesus more than it does anything that we've read about the Antichrist. However, each one must follow what they have been convinced in their heart is the truth.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Well, revelation 20 clearly positions Ezekiel 38-39 after the millennium? There have been numerous days of the Lord's wrath about human history. So we can't telescope them ALL into just one event.
Jesus via John in Revelation took many Old Testament stories/images and painted a picture for us using these passages. Rev. 12's Woman is seen via Genesis 37:9, the Rev. 17 Harlot can be seen in Daniel 5 the feast given by Belshazzar where they drank from God's Holy Temple Chalices/Cups. God then condemned them via the Handwriting on the wall, Mene, Mene, Tekel, your Kingdom has been found wanting, so that very day he fell. BABYLON FALLS, get it ?

Gog and Magog in Rev. 20 is just like Daniel 5, it is something that happens 1000 years after the Gog and Magog spoken of in Daniel, because that happens just before the Tribulation period. Russia and his compatriots come against Israel, this clears a path for the European Anti-Christ to come forth.
 
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No brother, I and we, do not need to read more. You need to pay attention to the details, that falls under the TAG of reading comprehension. Christ is not JUST the ruler of us. Look at the passage again.

Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
1 Peter 3:22
Christ being the ruler of "the" Christian is very much the same as the "understood verb" in 10th grade english.
You are wrong on the Rapture and its timing. Rev. 19 says us the Church comes back from Heaven with Jesus to defeat the Beast and his minions that are STILL ON EARTH. And yes, you need to read and study a lot more rom what I see, you are making mistakes made by young type Christians. They get tunnel vision also.
 
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Hello, yes all tribes sealed in Rev 7 no tribe lost... But all tribes called Israel not Jews Rev 7:4 ...all tribes of Israel..
I am telling you they are all called Jews now, but God understand SUPERNATURALLY which tribe they are from, He is God after all. The two sticks Prophecy Prophesied that Israel would become ONE NATION. Just because we don't know the tribes are there doesn't mean they are not there. So if they are all there {and they are} and we call them all Jews, is not what I stated correct ?

The tribe that brought salvation to Israel and Gentiles (rest of the world is the Jews (Judah)...John 4:22 Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman "...for salvation is from the Jews.." And since Jesus the Messiah is from this tribe Rev5:5 " ..the Lion of the tribe of Judah..." therefore the Gentiles who doesn't have a tribe in Israel before Jesus Christ Now belong to the Tribe of Judah..So as in Galatians 3:28 Paul speak to Gentile church"...There is neither Jew or Gentiles, slave or free, male and female...All One in Christ.." All Abraham seed...Thefore people of Israel...
This has ZERO to do with my point.

In Israel today live ALL THE TRIBES........We just call them Jews. It can't get any simpler tbh.
 
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As I have already made the claim that the descriptive words are more in line with what we read about Jesus more than it does anything that we've read about the Antichrist.
You don't believe that the Antichrist will be crowned the King of Israel for a while?
 
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RT, confirming the covenant with many just means that many Jews will think the person is the messiah, but is the biblical Antichrist. And Moses made the requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year interval of all future leaders of Israel, in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.
No it doesn't, it means what I just laid out. He's the BEAST over the whole Mediterranean Region, not just Israel. I use scriptures to prove my understandings. A Covenant simply means AGREEMENT, you are the one mandating that ts a Covenant with Godly implications, not the bible.

For some reason, you think that Jesus the Christ was/is the King of the Roman Empire instead of King of Israel. Because you don't connect the "Anti" Christ with being the King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.


............since when Jesus did become the King of the Roman Empire ? Anti-Christ has to do with being the King of Israel - instead of and against Jesus, the rightful King of Israel.

Being the Anti-Christ does not have to do with being the King of the Roman Empire. Being the little horn and beast has to do with being the King of the Roman Empire.

This is all your theory Douggg, its not in the bible. The ANTI...........Means against Christ, not on place of. They only people he tries to deceive is the Jews hiding in Petra/Bozrah in order to get them to come out o their protected zone, but he fails because Jesus told them specifically where he will be coming from, the Eastern Skies.

You latch on to one definition, a minor one at that that Anti can be IN PLACE OF and you shape all of your Eschatology around that one verse. John stated there are MANY anti-christs as we speak, so it means many that are against God, not in place of. You can keep going down that road all you want, it is not going to go down like that brother. But you are stuck on it big time, so I usually just let it pass, it is what it is. Doesn't mean I don't love you brother, we got bigger fish to fry !!

Why do you refer to that passage - when you don't believe that the "Anti" Christ has to do with being the King of Israel instead of and against Jesus, the rightful king of Israel. Jesus, the one that God sent to be their King of Israel. ????????

Because it is referring to Israel REJECTING Jesus........and they have to repent before the 70th week can come to pass. Jesus states they will call him Lord when they see him again. You want Israel to accept the Anti-Christ as their Messiah, or you think that is what is going to happen, WANT is not the right word.

But we see in Malachi 4:5, the Jews accept Jesus BEFORE the Day of the Lord !! How can Israel accept someone as their "KING" when they accept Jesus as such BEFORE he becomes THE BEAST? It is not possible !! Remember Antiochus ? He is a TYPE, Israel knew he was not the coming Messiah, he was not a Jew, likewise the Anti-Christ is not going to be a Jew. You use a word hardly even used in the bible and craft everything around it, Little Horn and Beast is used far more that the word Anti-Christ. There will be those that want his "Hellenistic type" rule as they did during Antiochus Epiphanes time, but Israel has already repented and turned to God by this time, those 2/3 will perish says God in Zechariah 13, whilst the 1/3 will be of God. This happens BEFORE the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:1-2, then Jesus returns in Zechariah 14:3-4.

John 5:43 was not an END TIME tag, he was speaking SPECIFICALLY to the Jews during his time, they understood the Messiah to be a POLITICAL SAVIOR who was a Jew, they never understood he was to be the Son of God and STILL DON'T think that way today !! They think he's a Political figure who has to b a Jew.....GET THAT ? Has to be a Jew !!
 
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You are wrong on the Rapture and its timing. Rev. 19 says us the Church comes back from Heaven with Jesus to defeat the Beast and his minions that are STILL ON EARTH. And yes, you need to read and study a lot more rom what I see, you are making mistakes made by young type Christians. They get tunnel vision also.
Jesus comes back at the end of the 7 years. 1Thessalonians5 says Christians are not appointed to wrath.

When during the 7 years are the bowls of God's wrath poured out? At the beginning? Or sometime after the middle of the 7 years?
 
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No it doesn't, it means what I just laid out. He's the BEAST over the whole Mediterranean Region, not just Israel. I use scriptures to prove my understandings. A Covenant simply means AGREEMENT, you are the one mandating that ts a Covenant with Godly implications, not the bible.
Did Daniel's people, his ancestors, in Daniel's prayer in Daniel 9, "transgress" the Mt Sinai covenant? Yes, they did - right in the text, RT

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

The little horn person in Daniel 8 commits the transgression of desolation.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
 
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This is all your theory Douggg, its not in the bible. The ANTI...........Means against Christ, not on place of.
against and instead of - Christ the King of Israel. You are omitting "the" Christ being the King of Israel. In the text of the bible.

Being "the" Christ as being the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, is a concept that you are not coming to grips with, RT. The Antichrist person has to be a Jew and anointed the King of Israel - Anti, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.
 
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But we see in Malachi 4:5, the Jews accept Jesus BEFORE the Day of the Lord !! How can Israel accept someone as their "KING" when they accept Jesus as such BEFORE he becomes THE BEAST?
The Jews accept Jesus as the rightful King of Israel, their messiah, when the Antichrist goes into the temple sits, claims to have achieved God- hood, revealing himself as the man of sin, which triggers the Day of the Lord.

Before then, they Jews will believe that he is their messiah - him being anointed King of Israel, who confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant to begin the 7 years.

Go to minute 0:36 of this video by Jews for Judaism... The Anti- messiah has to be anointed the King of Israel to be the Anti-messiah.

 
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Your interpretation of Daniel 9:26, 27 is a chosen view by many - I disagree.
Christ was cut off AFTER 69 WEEKS. THAT MEANS IN THE 70TH WEEK.
In the middle of the week (after which His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years), He was cut off. He brought an end to sacrifice and offering, because He was the final sacrifice. The people of the Prince to come (Romans), shall destroy the city - they did in 70 AD. Desolation came to Jerusalem and the Jews, they were blinded for our sake and remain. Their souls are desolate without Christ. A fast forward vision of the end, the consummation of all history and of all things, the Spirit will be poured out on the desolate, meaning the Jews' blindness will be lifted ( Rom. 11 confirms this) Abominations were carried out by Nero, Titus and many others as we've seen, persecutions against both Jews and Christians continued to this day. Christ brought a New Covenant to many, 2.42 billion Christians.
You got most of it right, but you refuse to see what is plain to me. He was CUT OFF after 69 weeks, adding anything else to that is just changing the passage. What happens is Satan is brilliant, he knows how to spin yarn like modern politicians !! He actually has people not understanding that this Prophecy is ALL ABOUT Israel repenting, it's not about Jesus, Jesus is a REFERENCE POINT as per the timing, like the WALL is a reference point, like the COVENANT is a reference point. My blog on this is like 3 years old, its still pretty spot on.

Daniel's 70 Weeks Decree against Israel


In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression {Israel has to turn back to God to finish their transgression}
2. Make and end of sins {And end to WILLFUL SINS, sin nature during Jesus' reign.}
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity {Israel must turn back unto God}
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness {Jesus is the everlasting righteousness}
5. To seal up vision and prophecy {All Prophecy must be FULFILLED}
6. Anoint the most Holy {Jesus will be anointed King of kings and Lord of lords}

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, willful sins can only end when the millennial reign starts because Satan the tempter will be locked in the Bottomless Pit. So by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no men with willful sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "willful sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus as Lord of Lords and King of Kings destroys this earth and Judges mankind. By the time Daniel's prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.
 
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That this passage refers to the Antichrist, cannot actually be proven by any words within the passage itself, if one understands that the gospel was also sent out to conquer.

First, This horseman is one of 4 and 3 of which are clearly evil so I think it's a light assumptions that the first one is also part of the overall group of 4.

Second, anti can mean against but it also means "instead of" as in a copy or imitation so coming on a white horse like Christ does fits the idea of the Antichrist coming as a false Christ. Christ warned about false christs.

Third, Christ's second coming is found in the 6th seal so the first seal isn't also the second coming. Each seal shows events from one of the 7 trumpets so none repeat.

Fourth, In Rev 19 Christ comes with a sword to conquer his enemies, not a bow.

Fifth, There is no occurrence in Rev. that Christ is mentioned and is not clearly identified as Jesus Christ either by name or title that only applies to him.

So, the rider on a white horse with a bow in the first seal is not Christ.
 
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I am telling you they are all called Jews now, but God understand SUPERNATURALLY which tribe they are from, He is God after all. The two sticks Prophecy Prophesied that Israel would become ONE NATION. Just because we don't know the tribes are there doesn't mean they are not there. So if they are all there {and they are} and we call them all Jews, is not what I stated correct ?


This has ZERO to do with my point.

In Israel today live ALL THE TRIBES........We just call them Jews. It can't get any simpler tbh.
Hello, thank you. ...
 
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Your interpretation of Daniel 9:26, 27 is a chosen view by many - I disagree.
Christ was cut off AFTER 69 WEEKS. THAT MEANS IN THE 70TH WEEK.
In the middle of the week (after which His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years), He was cut off. He brought an end to sacrifice and offering, because He was the final sacrifice. The people of the Prince to come (Romans), shall destroy the city - they did in 70 AD. Desolation came to Jerusalem and the Jews, they were blinded for our sake and remain. Their souls are desolate without Christ. A fast forward vision of the end, the consummation of all history and of all things, the Spirit will be poured out on the desolate, meaning the Jews' blindness will be lifted ( Rom. 11 confirms this) Abominations were carried out by Nero, Titus and many others as we've seen, persecutions against both Jews and Christians continued to this day. Christ brought a New Covenant to many, 2.42 billion Christians.
15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16then let those who are in Judea flee

Nero was never in Jerusalem, in fact he died in June 68AD. Titus and the rest are also dead.The Beast and False prophet are captured and thrown alive in to the Lake of Fire. Revelation 19:20 states

20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
 
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But that point is IRRELEVANT, the Church made up of Gentiles and Jews will be Raptured to Heaven by the time Rev. 12:17 happens, then the Gentiles who repent will be the REMNANT CHURCH, and the Jews who repent will be THE WOMAN who Flees to Petra.


Its not the SAME REMNANT, the one spoken of in Romans 11 is the same one in Zechariah.

I clearly explained why it can't be the Jews in 12:17, you just have to listen brother.

THE KEY POINT: Satan goes after the Remnant who OBEY God and SERVE Jesus via testimony.

1.) The 1/3 of the Jews who repent CAN NOT be the Remnant, God Protects them.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

2.) The 2/3 who REFUSE to repent God says will be cut off and die.

This is SIMPLE LOGIC to me, the 1/3 who FLEE in Rev. 12:17 {the Woman/Israel} are PROTECTED and Satan/Dragon can't get at them, but he other 2/3 do what ? THEY REFUSE TO REPENT !! So this Remnant CAN NOT BE THEM can it ? Because the Scripture clearly says they keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus.
But you see, this proves he Pre tribulation rapture, so have to avoid these points. NATURALLY.
Hello, so as you said the remnant in Roman's 11 and Zachariah 13 are the same.. So they are the Israelite who repent (1/3) and remain on the earth....The remnant in Rev 12 you said in your other post refers to Gentile...So if the woman as we both agree meaning Israel then how can her remnant being Gentiles??...isn't must be Israelite?..the original people where God gave His commandment to keep, but they couldn't keep it as in Roman's 9:31 said " That the people of Israel who pursued the law as a way of Righteousness have NOT attain their goal..verse 32 " why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as if it were by Works... But at the end they(Israel) will be keeping the commandment God gave them THROUGH FAITH!!! Just as the Gentiles have.."Faith in Jesus Christ."

The 2/3 for sure cannot be the remnant as you said in Zachariah they will perish or die...and if you say the remnant in Rev 12:17 is the Gentiles (church) But Not Israel(with Jews) then you cannot have a half body where one part is here on earth and the other in heaven (rapture)...
 
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15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16then let those who are in Judea flee

Nero was never in Jerusalem, in fact he died in June 68AD. Titus and the rest are also dead.The Beast and False prophet are captured and thrown alive in to the Lake of Fire. Revelation 19:20 states

20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

The abomination of desolation occurs in Jerusalem. Some say that also occurred in the past involving Antiochus Epiphanes. Rev. 19 is obviously future. My view of the Beast is also different. I believe Islam is the Beast. Ten Islamic nations will join together to attack Israel. This should be no surprise, they are anti- Christ's and antisemitic - always have been.
Actually, we can also view three horns that have been plucked: Satan, Mubarak, Qudafi. Or Assad may be one of them. Satan sits on his throne where? PERGAMOS (PRESENT DAY TURKEY).
DO you know that 666 in the Greek looks exactly like an Arab phrase, "In the name of Allah." AND the mark of the Beast ( In the name of Allah) is worn on terrorist head bands and sleeves.
Also Rev. 20:4 is the signature of the Beast -- cutting off heads.
BTW, Louis Farakan just claimed he was Jesus! But I think an Islamic leader will March into a Mosque or church and make the claim, that he is God.
 
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The abomination of desolation occurs in Jerusalem. Some say that also occurred in the past involving Antiochus Epiphanes. Rev. 19 is obviously future. My view of the Beast is also different. I believe Islam is the Beast. Ten Islamic nations will join together to attack Israel. This should be no surprise, they are anti- Christ's and antisemitic - always have been.
Actually, we can also view three horns that have been plucked: Satan, Mubarak, Qudafi. Or Assad may be one of them. Satan sits on his throne where? PERGAMOS (PRESENT DAY TURKEY).
DO you know that 666 in the Greek looks exactly like an Arab phrase, "In the name of Allah." AND the mark of the Beast ( In the name of Allah) is worn on terrorist head bands and sleeves.
Also Rev. 20:4 is the signature of the Beast -- cutting off heads.
BTW, Louis Farakan just claimed he was Jesus! But I think an Islamic leader will March into a Mosque or church and make the claim, that he is God.
Hello, I agree the Beast comes from the middle east...it will be like that of the Greek man Antiochus Epiphanes (prince of Greece )...I think from Iran (persia)..Daniel 10:20 Angel came to Daniel "...Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of persia But when I go the prince of Greece will come." I think the prince of Greece had already come in Antiochus Ep...now the next prince is the one from persia, the Angel said he will come back and fight against him...
 
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You don't believe that the Antichrist will be crowned the King of Israel for a while?

Hi douggg,

No. I don't think that the Antichrist has any part with Israel, beyond being instrumental in making some sort of covenant with Israel. But I'm confident that he will not be a Jew, nor will he ever be a leader in Israel.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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But I'm confident that he will not be a Jew, nor will he ever be a leader in Israel.

I don't think he will even be human, and that he will rule the world for a short time.
 
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