Thoughts on the mysteries of the Rosary.

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As regards the Transfiguration of Our Lord, I mentioned, I believe, that it seemed to me an unavoidable inference that it contains a fascinating message for us all, whether as blessed victims of poverty and/or other trials not necessarily associated with poverty, or as privileged witness, better still, associates of the latter; namely, that the miracle concerned was not his visible glorification, but its concealment in the normal course of his life, and that, as 'other Christs' in a striking, if covert way, those who suffer for locating their heart where earthly treasure does not reside, would likewise be suffused by the divine light of glory, here on earth, although invisible to the eye.

The Protestant preacher, William Barclay, touched upon this, I believe, when he said, 'The Beatitudes are not pious hopes of what shall be; they are congratulations on what is.'
 
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I mentioned earlier that, if I could find the article stating recent findings concerning additional hideous injuries Jesus suffered during his Passion, I would post it here. here is the link:

New study shows Man of the Shroud had ?dislocated? arms - Vatican Insider

I read on another blog that a crucified person did carry only the cross beam, and I think it said that his wrists or arms were tied to it. It might have been, of course, that Jesus simply chose to accept the consequences of not dropping the beam before falling, which would have been perfectly in character.

Or it might have been that his wrists were, in fact, tied to it. That would have been dreadful. Yet had he simply kept hold of the beam, it would perhaps explain the new indications on the Shroud that the beam rode up his shoulder towards his neck. On the other hand, maybe it was jolted by the impact, bouncing up to his neck making a double impact.
 
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Psychological states of mind, moods, are a very curious thing, in my experience.

There are days of 'sweetness and light', and there will be a day right after each one, when you expect more of the same, but are disappointed. When you really feel low, it is as if a filter comes down on your mind, and your mind seems to exist in a hard, narrow area.

Who knows the battery orders for the day of the artillery of the angels of light (or those of the angels of darkness)? Oddly enough though, recently I've noticed that the impression given me by the first person who catches my attention, is likely to tell me what sort of an outing I'll have. Not unlike King David when he commented on messengers in the distance running with a message for him. 'Oh. That's going to be bad news.' Or, 'Oh, he's a good man, He'll have good news...'

Anyway, as she watched Jesus being flogged, I should imagine that hard filter will have come down on Our Lady's mind squeezing her sense of well-being, intensified no doubt by leers of some hostile harridans.

Under the mosaic law, the limit of 40 ashes was stipulated, lest the person become degraded n the eyes of hs fellow Jews. Crucifixion, however, was itself specifically designed to inflict maximal degradation on the victim, although Pilate, who had wanted only to scourge Jesus, confined it to 39 lashes. The Jews had reduced it by one, for fear of accidentally inflicting too many.

You get the impression the soldiers were a particularly 'bad lot', and this comment, below, seems to confirm it:

'The Roman garrison in Jerusalem was composed of the Roman 10th Legion. These soldiers were not generally Roman citizens, but mercenaries from Thrace. They were known as the most brutal of all the Roman Legions. Specialists in the Legion were assigned to carry out punishments and executions for the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. They excelled at their jobs.'

Here is the link:

The Scourge – Its role in Biblical History and Jesus’ Execution

It seems it was the custom of the Romans to scourge people who were to be crucified, contrary to the indication that I had read, and mentioned earlier, that it was not customary to scourge a person before crucifixion.
 
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If you knew how gratifying it is for me to receive such encouraging feedback from you and Galilee, Michie...

You never know when a devotion is going to take a hold of you, Michie. I couldn't get enthusiastic about reading the Bible, perhaps partly because, though rascally agnostics and atheists, we heard a great deal of scripture over the years in morning assemblies. It was only much later, though, that I realised how much of it had been absorbed subliminally.

Anyway, the turning point came when I read a book by the Abbot Marmion, called Chrlst ln his Mysteries. And the particular passage: when he described Jesus' brief conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well. And the crucial point he made? That Jesus sat down beside the well, because he was tired. perhaps I should have become aware of it long, long before, since it's implicit in his being fully human. Maybe, at least subliminally, I had imagined that, being fully divine as well, he would exploit that. It became very clear at that point that this was not the case. Far from it.

The only times he resorted to his divine power was for our sakes, not his own. Almost all his most striking miracles he reserved for his closest disciples. But more than that, you know how you can have kind of unworthy thoughts sometimes (only judging by my own standards!!!), well I once found myself wondering if, maybe Jesus had avoided or tempered a little some of the worst aspects of his Passion and crucifixion.

Instead, some of the latest information obtained from the Holy Shroud of Turin demonstrates that, far from that being the case, lacerated by his scourgng, tired, and doubtless hungry and weak, after a while, Jesus must have fallen flat on his face under the weight of the cross,or the cross member, if that was what he had had to carry, he evidently dislocated his shoulder and, I believe it said, he broke bones in his face - yet other painful tortures to bear on the cross. So, it seems as if he was determined that no one crucified should have it worse than he did.

However, they also discovered that he was nailed twice to the cross, having made a mess of the job the first time. I believe it was a complete re-crucifixion but I'll need to look at the YouTube clip again, and read it more closely. Even to have to bear a second nailing in one hand and one foot, sounds hideous, doesn't it?

And as for him being considered to have died quite soon, after three hours, well I'm amazed that he lasted that long, in view of his life of extraordinary asceticism, and the stresses he had suffered then and particularly in his Passion up to that point.

It was after that enlightenment by the occasion at the well with the Samaritan woman that I gradually became increasingly aware of the, often highly-amusing, nuances of human behaviour displayed by the disciples, the people and even Jesus himself. It gives me a wonderful feeling of warmth towards them. Or, in the case of the religious leaders, it tends to have me in stitches, as I recognise the incidents and anticipate the punch-line Jesus invariably delivers, to their great discomfiture and blind rage.
 
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When meditating on the Ascension, the Return of Christ and the unification and purification of the Church always comes to mind, too. "One Flock, One Shepherd".
There's a parallel to today with Moses' ascension and with what happened down below while the people waited for him to return. A lot of people today, I think most, have rejected Jesus while we await his return. In biblical typology, Moses prefigures Jesus.
 
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And Aaron prefigures the papacy.
I think, I am struggling to see past the Papacy. Yes, it matters. The Church matters. The current Pope matters, and requires prayers. But the Rosary is beyond time, scandal, and error. It's like a catechism on beads. It's very beautiful, and simple.
 
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There's a parallel to today with Moses' ascension and with what happened down below while the people waited for him to return. A lot of people today, I think most, have rejected Jesus while we await his return. In biblical typology, Moses prefigures Jesus.

Very interesting. I'd never thought of any of that, LWU.
 
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Criticism of Francis does not equate to apostasy.

I should have said, 'some of Francis' critics'.
Could you explain to me what you mean by :
'Don't forget that the slavery of blacks happened with mass immigration.'

What does 'mass immigration' have to do with capturing African people and enslaving them ?
 
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I mentioned earlier that, if I could find the article stating recent findings concerning additional hideous injuries Jesus suffered during his Passion, I would post it here. here is the link:

New study shows Man of the Shroud had ?dislocated? arms - Vatican Insider

I read on another blog that a crucified person did carry only the cross beam, and I think it said that his wrists or arms were tied to it. It might have been, of course, that Jesus simply chose to accept the consequences of not dropping the beam before falling, which would have been perfectly in character.

Or it might havBut whate been that his wrists were, in fact, tied to it. That would have been dreadful. Yet had he simply kept hold of the beam, it would perhaps explain the new indications on the Shroud that the beam rode up his shoulder towards his neck.

On the other hand, maybe it was jolted by the impact, bouncing up to his neck making a double impact. But what about his face being smashed into the ground ? I can't see how he could have avoided it
 
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Well, I have made no secret I have always had difficulty with the rosary. So when I hear other speak about what they experience when praying the rosary, it gives me hope. I always find it edifying to hear other's feel when using the rosary. I don't know why I just can't seem to get over that hump.

Hello Michie, to Jesus Christ, the Most powerful prayer is the Mass, second most powerful is the Rosary.
If we all spend a little less time here at Christian Forum threading and posting we can save more souls and our own by praying the Most Holy Rosary. Amen

Pray the Most Holy Rosary,

Pan De Vida
 
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Hello Michie, to Jesus Christ, the Most powerful prayer is the Mass, second most powerful is the Rosary.
If we all spend a little less time here at Christian Forum threading and posting we can save more souls and our own by praying the Most Holy Rosary. Amen

Pray the Most Holy Rosary,

Pan De Vida

Aw, thanks for the passive aggressive advice in this zombie thread. :thumbsup:
 
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I should have said, 'some of Francis' critics'.
Could you explain to me what you mean by :
'Don't forget that the slavery of blacks happened with mass immigration.'

What does 'mass immigration' have to do with capturing African people and enslaving them ?
It was a mass immigration. That's why I called it that. And human trafficking, which happens at the U.S./Mexico border within today's mass immigration movement, is modern-day slavery.
 
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It was a mass immigration. That's why I called it that. And human trafficking, which happens at the U.S./Mexico border within today's mass immigration movement, is modern-day slavery.

Are you trying to downplay the devilish nature of chattel slavery, LWU? Even the treatment of the African Americans in the South, since then, has been demonic. And I dare say a lot of them call themselves Christians.
 
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