How far into Revelation are we now?

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Dear brother you are close to the truth but, to understand the book fully you must understand the meaning of the sevens. Revelation 10:5-7 declares that during the time of the 7th angel time will end and the mysteries of God will be finished (Compare with Daniel 9:20-27). And before the 7th angel comes with the opening of the 7th seal: the 6th seal will be opened during the time of the 6th angel; and this will be when the Euphrates river is dried up that the way of the kings of the East might be prepared (Revelation 9:14-21; 16:12); shortly after this Christ will appear and wage war against the beast and the false prophet and all that worshipped the beast and received his number; and they shall be defeated swiftly by Christ and thrown into the lake of fire; and after this Satan shall be bound 1,000 Years (Revelation 19:1-20:6). After the 7th seal is opened there will be a final battle between God and Satan: Satan will lose and be thrown into the lake of fire with his followers where the beast and the false prophet are (Revelation 20:7-10). Lastly there will be the Final Judgment where the dead who did not die in Christ will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire with death and hell to burn with Satan, the beast and the false prophet and those who followed the beast and received his number (Revelation 20:11-15); after this the new world will be created and the old one will be no more, and the ones who followed Christ and God will live in the new Jerusalem and eat of the Tree of Life to live forever and ever (Revelation 21:1-22:5 c.f. Isaiah 65:17-25). If you look at the Euphrates river today it is almost dried up and look at the armies gathered near it...they are the kings of the East! Compare this with the prophecy of Daniel with the great statue: Rome was the last great world empire with the legs of iron; after she lost much power she was divided into the western and eastern Roman Empire: western Rome is in Italy while eastern Rome is in Constantinople...that is to say Istanbul, Turkey....and just as prophecy states Rome never got along with its allies just as iron does not agree with clay! The 7's in Revelation are connected with the 7 Days of the Week in Genesis 1:1-2:3: and each day of the week represents a period of 1,000 Years each for God told Adam that he would die in the day he ate of the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:15-17) and, since Adam died 70 years short of 1,000 years: 1 Week Day = 1,000 Years. This 1,000 Years and 70 Years are significant for from three time of Adam until now no man has lived for 1,000 Years: but those who ate Alice during the 2nd Coming of Christ will live for 1,000 Years! And 1,000 Years - 930 Years = 70 Years! These are also connected to the 70 Years prophesied by Jeremiah and, the 70 Weeks of Daniel! Therefore just a man has the first six days of the week to work (e.g. Sunday-Friday) and rests the seventh day of the week (e.g. Saturday): man will work 6,000 Years and rest in the 7,000th Year. Since the Euphrates river is almost dried up we are past the halfway point of the 5th seal or 5,000th Year: meaning we are in the 5,937th Year from Adam.

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Quite close to what Newton suggested: the year of 2060 ,the second coming of Christ.

johnnywong said:

Quite close to what Newton suggested: the year of 2060 ,the second coming of Christ.

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Hello brother johnnywong! Could you please direct me to those calculations of Newton? I calculated that the year 2081, would be the 2nd Coming of Christ.

ewq1938 said:

Paul used the Greek word for rapture when speaking of the rapture.

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But what Paul prophesied was NOT a removal to heaven, it is firstly to the clouds as Jesus comes into our atmosphere, then to be with Him always; on earth.

keras said:

But what Paul prophesied was NOT a removal to heaven, it is firstly to the clouds as Jesus comes into our atmosphere, then to be with Him always; on earth.

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Yes! If you understand this then you will love this fellow brother from Britain who gives a great presentation on the subject which I will embed below:


The above video is the first video in his playlist on the rapture and its timing. Here is the link to that playlist and his other playlists Last Days Detective

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Hello brother johnnywong! Could you please direct me to those calculations of Newton? I calculated that the year 2081, would be the 2nd Coming of Christ.

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Newton thought the Return would be 2060.
Bishop Ussher thought the Beginning was 4004 BC, therefore the 6000 year time for mankind's rule would finish in +/- 2004 AD.

Keras, has added all the given Bible time periods of the Patriarchs, kings, etc and the Beginning was 3970.5 BC, so the Return will be +/- 2030 AD
This timeline is confirmed by the exact period of 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, exactly 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now 1989 years since Jesus; very soon the Return.

ewq1938 said:

Paul used the Greek word for rapture when speaking of the rapture.

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Please cite the specific chapter and verse?

ewq1938 said:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up HARPAZO/RAPTURE together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When this verse was translated into Latin from Greek, the Greek word "harpazo" was replaced by the the Latin verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away" (the Latin noun "raptus" "a carrying off"). The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek as rapiemur. In Middle French "rapiemur" is "rapture" meaning ("to carry away") which is the same meaning as Rapture in English. So while the English word RAPTURE is not in scripture the Greek word HARPAZO is in scripture and it is the origin of the word rapture.

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Thank you very much. Obviously that is right AT the Second Coming. Not before?

Jesus Is coming actively from heaven to earth as raptured believers meet him in the air in the middle of his action in the middle of his coming to Earth. No time delay?

ewq1938 said:

Paul used the Greek word for rapture when speaking of the rapture.

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The word rapture is not in the text anywhere. Which chapter/verse are you referring to? It does not take a rocket scientist to understand the concept that words and their definition(s) change, not only geographically, but also over time. Just in my lifetime I am a personal witness of this fact. Were the original translators more likely to have known the appropriate word(s) to use for the particular situation or is someone thousands of miles and years removed more likely to be correct?? For that very reason, much caution should be exercised when choosing which translation to entrust the eternal destiny of one's soul. I know many people advocate a "rapture" however, I do not glean the concept of a "rapture" from any scripture. That concept must be "interpreted" into the scripture. Not only that but the "rapture" preached by many today is in contradiction to other scriptures such as the following.
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
You and I both know it is easy to twist and interpret scripture to make it say whatever one desires it to say. There are plenty of scripture/verses that advise against such. Will believing and preaching in "a rapture" send someone to hell? I do not know, nor is it my place to know. What I do know is this, the honest, sincere God seeking Christian who trust what God's word says can rest assured. By that I mean salvation for man does not rest or depend on the mighty man's interpretation; God's word states His terms straight up. Does the word fall in a fertile heart or in one that's rocky, dry and having little soil??
In Him

Revealing Times said:

Hearing about something and studying what it means is two different things. I place no value on tags like that, I think its just people overthinking things.They have Pre this, post this, dispen that, it is just not worth my time. I am Pre tribulation but that is a simple point counter point. I can write the whole book of Revelation as per its meanings in one post. There thus is no reason to explain my understandings, it's there for all to see. My philosophy is God's Holy Word.

The Rapture is not MAN MADE, it comes from the Latin word Rapio, which was translated from the Greek word Harpazo, which Paul wrote. Lets not be disingenuous here. As soon as you asked that question how did I know you couldn't possible see the obvious Rapture ? Because that is the way they all operate, its likened unto Alinsky tactics so I don't get it.

You might as well not even try against me on the book of Revelation or the Rapture. Jesus does rule from earth 1000 years, but that is obvious, we don't need tags for it do we ?

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I disagree totally, 100%, Christ has been ruling His kingdom since it's birth...even as I type this reply.
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
1 Peter 3:22
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:9-10
He, Christ, is NOW the ruler.
Any and everything God has said outright TOTALLY trumps and supersedes any human interpretation or idea.
In Him

Just_a_Christian said:

I disagree totally, 100%, Christ has been ruling His kingdom since it's birth...even as I type this reply.
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
1 Peter 3:22
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:9-10
He, Christ, is NOW the ruler.
Any and everything God has said outright TOTALLY trumps and supersedes any human interpretation or idea.
In Him

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All of that was fulfilled completely in the year 70 AD.

Matthew 24:29-30 = Daniel 7:13-25
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Isaiah 13:10, "destruction of Babylon"
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revelation 11:8 = Revelation 18

Erik Nelson said:

Matthew 24:29-30 = Daniel 7:13-25

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Hi Erik,

What about Matthew 24:29-30 = Revelation 6:12-17 ?

Douggg said:

Hi Erik,

What about Matthew 24:29-30 = Revelation 6:12-17 ?

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Yes, that also that is the lead up and Intro to the judgment against spiritual "Babylon" eventually culminating in revelation 18.

That's one more part of "Armageddon", where the "beast" destroys "Babylon".

"Beast" = Pagan Roman Empire
"Babylon" = Jerusalem
"Armageddon" = Beast versus Babylon = 7yr Jewish Roman war, 66-73ad

Erik Nelson said:

Yes, that also that is the lead up and Intro to the judgment against spiritual "Babylon" eventually culminating in revelation 18.

That's one more part of "Armageddon", where the "beast" destroys "Babylon".

"Beast" = Pagan Roman Empire
"Babylon" = Jerusalem
"Armageddon" = Beast versus Babylon = 7yr Jewish Roman war, 66-73ad

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Hi again Erik,

What do you think about Revelation 6:17 (the great day of his wrath is come) = Psalms 110:5-6....

5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

....with Ezekiel 39:17-20. And Jesus having returned and speaking in Ezekiel 39:21

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

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Which is after Ezekiel 38, and after the Jews having returned to the land from being scattered among the nations.

johnnywong said:

Quite close to what Newton suggested: the year of 2060 ,the second coming of Christ.

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keras said:

Newton thought the Return would be 2060.
Bishop Ussher thought the Beginning was 4004 BC, therefore the 6000 year time for mankind's rule would finish in +/- 2004 AD.

Keras, has added all the given Bible time periods of the Patriarchs, kings, etc and the Beginning was 3970.5 BC, so the Return will be +/- 2030 AD
This timeline is confirmed by the exact period of 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, exactly 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, now 1989 years since Jesus; very soon the Return.

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Would you two fine gentlemen please double check my work on my blog titled Jesus' Birth, Daniel, and the Beginning of the World? I would greatly appreciate it.

Ronald said:

I have quite a different view. I am not a Pre-tribber (although this could take place if the trumpets were all blown quickly before th events took place). I do not adhere to a 70th week of Daniel view. No, I think the angel gave 70 weeks notice concerning Christ's First Coming

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The Prophecy clearly says he will be CUT OFF after 69 weeks. the word Covenant in Hebrew means Agreement, only when it is with God is it a Holy Covenant. The Covenant is not just with Israel, it clearly says a Covenant WITH MANY. Who are the Many listed three times in Daniel ? Well it starts with the Anti-Christ and THE MANY, not just Israel.Thus the70th week AGREEMENT is with MANY.

The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
Church - John 14:3 – “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”

The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding. “But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36).

The 70th Week Agreement with MANY:

So the 70th week starts and as Daniel 9:27 shows us, there is a 7 year Covenant or Agreement. A "Peace Agreement" is made {Covenant means Agreement} between the Anti-Christ, Israel and MANY [Nations] in the Region. Then in the Middle of the Week {3.5 years} he reneges on the Agreements. He has to become a Beast over the whole Mediterranean Sea Region like all the other Beasts. There are 7 year Agreements in place between the E.U. and Israel and THE MANY as we speak, it's called the European Neighborhood Policy.

The European Neighborhood Policy governs the EU's relations with 16 of the its closest Eastern and Southern Neighbors. To the South: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine*, Syria** and Tunisia, and to the east......................

The European Neighbourhood Instrument

From the ENPI to the ENI

Starting from 2014, the European Neighborhood Instrument (ENI) has replaced the European Neighborhood Partnership Instrument (ENPI 2006-2013). The ENI will run until 2020 providing the framework and bulk of funding for the relations between the European Union (EU) and Partner Countries under the renewed European Neighborhood Policy (ENP). {Notice the 7 year cycles}.

So the MANY in Dan. 8:25 that are destroyed BY PEACE, and the MANY that this Anti-Christ makes an Agreement with in Dan. 9:27, are THE MANY Nations he conquers in Dan. 11:40-43. This includes Israel, but he's not able to Conquer what is now Jordan, that is where Israel will Flee unt for 1260 days.

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north {Anti-Christ} shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.{Jordan} 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

So who are THE MANY that the Anti-Christ reneges on his Peace Agreement with ? Well it is Israel, all of North Africa, and the Nations around the Mediterranean Sea Region, which is why he is a Beast that comes out of the Mediterranean Sea, which means the Little Horn/Anti-Christ's FOOTPRINT will look exactly like the Old Roman Empire. It will be the E.U. President or Anti-Christ that Conquers THE MANY, all of North Africa, Israel, Lebanon, Syria etc.

So in th Middle of the week, the 70th week, the Seals are opened by Jesus, the Wrath of God is allowed to go forth on Mankind. So the Seals begin, of course, in the Middle of the week. Thus there is 3.5 years of God's Wrath to come, the Seals, Trumpets and Vials.

Notice the Old Roman Empire Map and the European Union with those Mediterranean Countries combined on a Map. They are almost IDENTICAL !!

Old Roman Empire


The European Union with the Mediterranean Sea Satellites.


Now do you see who THE MANY is he makes a Covenant {Agreement} with ? This right here is why the Little Horn is described as coming out of the Fourth Beasts Head. They look just alike on a map!! The 70th week happens after the Rapture of the Church. I don't think God really cares what we think, He just wants us to follow the facts.

Ronald said:

Therefore no gap was intended _ why even mention 70 weeks if it was to be suspended for 2000 years? Prophecies don't get interrupted, they are precise.
As you may figure, I adhere to a Mid-trib/ Pre-wrath view. AND the GT is 42 months, not 7 years
See you on the other side.

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Ever notice 70 AD was just like unto the Second Coming save Jesus doesn't save Israel ?

Ever take the Church Age OUT and think to yourself, WOW....The Fourth Beast and then the Little Horn Arises, everything FITS..........Or the Statue of Gold to the Feet of Clay and Stelle FITS together perfectly without the Church Age ? You are missing it, it was a MANDATE, Israel had to repent BEFORE the 70th Week. Why do you think Jesus says John was like unto Elijah ? He called Israel unto repentance just like Elijah did, but they REJECTED Jesus and the Message of John they accepted Barrabass instead. The 70th week prophecy cleary states the 70th week can not end until the Jews repent. So in the last portion of Matt. 23 where Jesus says would have gathered yo like chicks unto me but you would not.....then he says YE WILL NOT SEE ME AGAIN until you say Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord !! Israel will have REPENTED before Jesus returns. Jesus would have saved them in 70 AD if they had repented, and thus there would have been no Church Age, but of Course God knowing the future knew their hearts.

God thus gave the mantle to the Gentiles, until the RAPTURE of the Church then Israel will be called unto repentance during the 70th week. The very fact that the Prophecy was in THREE PARTS should tell you its not a consecutive Prophecy. Its contingent on REPENTANCE.