McConnell to Trump: We're not repealing and replacing Obamaca

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Nobody can be worse than Hillary Clinton, not even Trump.
...I think that's already been shown to not even sort of be true. I'm also amazed at how many people are still obsessed Sec Clinton 3 years after the election is over. :scratch:
tulc(thinks President Trump and some of his supporters really should just get over it) :sigh:
 
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...I think that's already been shown to not even sort of be true. I'm also amazed at how many people are still obsessed Sec Clinton 3 years after the election is over. :scratch:
tulc(thinks President Trump and some of his supporters really should just get over it) :sigh:


I will say this then. We definitely could have gotten somebody waaay better than Trump. But it wouldn't have been Hillary Clinton though.
 
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I will say this then. We definitely could have gotten somebody waaay better than Trump. But it wouldn't have been Hillary Clinton though.
...and the obsession continues unabated. :sorry:
tulc(hopes that all works out for DavidPT) :wave:
 
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I will say this then. We definitely could have gotten somebody waaay better than Trump.

Would have been hard not to.

But it wouldn't have been Hillary Clinton though.

She'd be waaay better than Trump. No question.
 
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"Health insurance coverage gains created by the Affordable Care Act (ACA) caused the number of the uninsured in the United States to fall from 17% in 2013 to 10% in 2016, according to a new analysis from the Urban Institute. The report said the reductions were even more striking in states that expanded Medicaid."
ACA Pushed Uninsured Rate Down to 10% in 2016, Even More So in Medicaid Expansion States

"In the first six months of 2018, 28.5 million Americans were uninsured — 20.1 million fewer than 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law by then-President Barack Obama, according to data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
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But here's a detailed look at some reversal (partial) of those gains more recently --

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/23/18194228/trump-uninsured-rate-obamacare-medicaid

As you can see, even though many lost (or quit) their health insurance more recently, it's still the case that the number uninsured is down a lot since the beginning of the ACA ('Obamacare').

Rounded off -- Obamacare reduced the proportion of uninsured from the range near 17% down to about 11%, and then since Trump is in office, it's risen up to just under 14%.

So, even though weakened and partly reversed, it's still caused a lot fewer uninsured than before the ACA, even lately, today in 2019.

Lets see more folks have practically useless insurance, rates have tripled in some instances :doh:and so has the deductible, :doh:fewer insurance companies, :doh:fewer care providers, :doh:and fewer doctors accepting the insurance. :doh::doh::doh:

Oh yes a very good reason to celebrate and proclaim the ACA to be a success because some study shows "more people" now have some form of crappy/overpriced insurance that was forced upon them by a nonsensical mandate, outstanding legislation and results wouldn't you say??? :doh::doh::doh:NOT!!!

Big Government: The silliest way known to man to deal with life. First you create solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before which then means you have to find a solution to that problem you just created…

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In order for Donnie to change his mind about his healthcare plans, wouldn't he need to have had a healthcare plan to begin with?

Why do we need a government mandated/sponsored healthcare plan for non-seniors to begin with?
 
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Lets see more folks have practically useless insurance,

No, you have that backwards. Practically useless health policies were removed by the ACA, but the Trump administration is trying to bring them back:

“The idea that the Trump administration is trying to save patients is ludicrous,” Caplan said in an interview. “It has permitted lousy cheap coverage, cheap, almost worthless policies to be sold,” adding that is the “real reason why” CMS can make an announcement like this one.
Trump administration says it's ending ACA ‘sabotage,’ experts say it comes at great risk to patients

And the subsidy was ended, with the expected result:
On October 12, 2017, the President halted federal payments for cost-sharing reductions (CSRs) for insurers that subsidized the cost of coverage for certain low-income eligible enrollees. A parallel executive order instructed the Department of Labor (DOL) to study how to relax rules on association health plans, allow short-term health insurance policies with limited benefits, and broaden the ability of employers to give workers money to buy their own coverage.


While it is not clear as of this writing if President Trump’s recent health care executive orders will move forward without significant modifications, other funding cuts are already taking place and will soon lead to new financial, clinical and operational pressures on providers. The President’s executive orders intensify the impact of deepening reductions in Disproportionate Share Funding and the elimination of grants to federally qualified health centers. Taken together, these chips in the structure of health reform could prove profoundly destabilizing and damaging to health care providers. Assessing the current and potential impact of the Administration’s directives, as well as addressing funding threats and rising numbers of uninsured are crucial for long-term success.


The Administration’s moves to ensure the demise of former President Barack Obama’s health care law and resulting uncertainty over whether healthy people will buy coverage in the individual market has magnified the already escalating premiums for 2018 coverage. Uncertainty, minimal enforcement of the individual mandate, tighter enrollment criteria and rising premium costs appear to be seriously eroding health care coverage gains over the last few years. The number of U.S. adults without insurance increased by nearly 3.5 million this year, according to the Gallup-Sharecare Well-Being Index, which asks a random sample of 500 people each day whether they have health insurance. The percentage of U.S. adults without health insurance rose to 12.3 percent in the third quarter (Q3) of 2017 – up 1.4 percentage points since the end of 20161.

Preparing for Trump's Executive Orders on Health Care and Other Reimbursement Threats | Cope Health Solutions

E.R. visits by indigent patients are rising again. And guess who pays for that? The hospitals? Only temporarily. They raise prices for everything else to cover their losses. Yep. We pay for it, in taxes or in climbing medical bills.

Oh yes a very good reason to celebrate and proclaim the ACA to be a success because some study shows "more people" now have some form of crappy/overpriced insurance

ACA put an end to that. Trump is now bringing it back.
 
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No, you have that backwards. Practically useless health policies were removed by the ACA, but the Trump administration is trying to bring them back:

“The idea that the Trump administration is trying to save patients is ludicrous,” Caplan said in an interview. “It has permitted lousy cheap coverage, cheap, almost worthless policies to be sold,” adding that is the “real reason why” CMS can make an announcement like this one.
Trump administration says it's ending ACA ‘sabotage,’ experts say it comes at great risk to patients

And the subsidy was ended, with the expected result:
On October 12, 2017, the President halted federal payments for cost-sharing reductions (CSRs) for insurers that subsidized the cost of coverage for certain low-income eligible enrollees. A parallel executive order instructed the Department of Labor (DOL) to study how to relax rules on association health plans, allow short-term health insurance policies with limited benefits, and broaden the ability of employers to give workers money to buy their own coverage.


While it is not clear as of this writing if President Trump’s recent health care executive orders will move forward without significant modifications, other funding cuts are already taking place and will soon lead to new financial, clinical and operational pressures on providers. The President’s executive orders intensify the impact of deepening reductions in Disproportionate Share Funding and the elimination of grants to federally qualified health centers. Taken together, these chips in the structure of health reform could prove profoundly destabilizing and damaging to health care providers. Assessing the current and potential impact of the Administration’s directives, as well as addressing funding threats and rising numbers of uninsured are crucial for long-term success.


The Administration’s moves to ensure the demise of former President Barack Obama’s health care law and resulting uncertainty over whether healthy people will buy coverage in the individual market has magnified the already escalating premiums for 2018 coverage. Uncertainty, minimal enforcement of the individual mandate, tighter enrollment criteria and rising premium costs appear to be seriously eroding health care coverage gains over the last few years. The number of U.S. adults without insurance increased by nearly 3.5 million this year, according to the Gallup-Sharecare Well-Being Index, which asks a random sample of 500 people each day whether they have health insurance. The percentage of U.S. adults without health insurance rose to 12.3 percent in the third quarter (Q3) of 2017 – up 1.4 percentage points since the end of 20161.

Preparing for Trump's Executive Orders on Health Care and Other Reimbursement Threats | Cope Health Solutions

E.R. visits by indigent patients are rising again. And guess who pays for that? The hospitals? Only temporarily. They raise prices for everything else to cover their losses. Yep. We pay for it, in taxes or in climbing medical bills.



ACA put an end to that. Trump is now bringing it back.

Still supporting failure I see.
 
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