Can women talk about Jesus and the gospel?

JAYPT · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
Why are you so offended? Wow.

Because you treat a brother on here quite badly for no reason and admit its a cheap shot and dont apologize, I think I'll be the one to say WOW.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
I think we [women] cannot have it both ways: Have our cake and eat it too.

If we want to usurp authority over men, then we should not expect special treatment as "the weaker vessel" (1 Pet. 3:7). And I respect independent, strong godly women who expect to be treated equally with men.

And if we expect special treatment as the weaker vessel, then we should be willing to give up having this authority, understanding that good things comes with sacrifices.

Egalitarian or complementarian, it's really an individual choice. But we cannot have it both ways.

People in this thread are equating me to some kind of woman hater. I LOVE women. It's just about roles. The role reversal we see in society is affecting our society as we can even see the results of in this very thread.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

JAYPT said:
Because you treat a brother on here quite badly for no reason and admit its a cheap shot and dont apologize, I think I'll be the one to say WOW.

I apologize for the cheap shot. I did try and delete it before it was noticed. I'm not perfect, I'll try harder not to offend people.

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
I view most of what you wrote here as nonsense and serious misinterpretation of scripture, but I particularly disagree with your statement that God himself is male. While the human incarnation of God in Jesus is male (and would not have fulfilled Messiah prophecy without being male in his human form), God is neither male nor female. There is no such thing as male or female outside of the physical biology required to produce children....which has nothing whatsoever to do with spiritual authority, and spiritual authority is for God alone.

A pastor of a church is a *servant* and all human beings are qualified to serve and ALL Christians, male and female alike, are to mutually submit to and serve the needs of one another. (Ephesians 5:21)

The reason these arguments over who gets to be a leader in the church or elsewhere continue to persist because we have a distorted and worldly view of what being a leader really means when it comes to God's kingdom. "But he (Jesus) said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves.'" (Luke 22:25-26)

Love toward God which rules in believers finds its expression in a life of service toward their neighbor. The other's interests are considered on the same level as one’s own, one believer preferring the other, and from reverence for Christ, who came to minister.

JAYPT · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
People in this thread are equating me to some kind of woman hater. I LOVE women. It's just about roles. The role reversal we see in society is affecting our society as we can even see the results of in this very thread.

I dont think you are a woman hater, I dont like role reversals either. I am an traditional guy in every sense of the word but that doesn't mean that women cannot lead nor teach. We can differ on that point but we dont have to be nasty. Nevertheless, that wasnt the OP's original question. I think that has been answered.

bekkilyn · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
You typed out your opinion but where's the proof?

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

"Look at my hands and my feet; see that it is I myself. Touch me and see; for a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:39)

"I will not execute my fierce anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim;
for I am God and no mortal,
the Holy One in your midst,
and I will not come in wrath." (Hosea 11:9)

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (Matthew 22:30)

Spiritual beings have no biology and cannot be male or female. As God also has both masculine and feminine attributes, he also has no gender.

"God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” He said further, “Thus you shall say to the Israelites, ‘I am has sent me to you.’” (Exodus 3:14)

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

I borrowed this (cheated):

Although the Apostle Paul respected women and worked side by side with them for the furtherance of the gospel (Rom. 16; Phil. 4:3), he appointed no female elders or pastors. In his letters, he urged that men were to be the leaders in the church and that women were not to teach or exercise authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12). Therefore, although women are spiritual equals with men and the ministry of women is essential to the body of Christ, women are excluded from leadership over men in the church.

Men and women stand as equals before God, both bearing the image of God Himself. However, without making one inferior to the other, God calls upon both men and women to fulfill the roles and responsibilities specifically designed for them, a pattern that can be seen even in the Godhead (1 Cor. 11:3). In fulfilling the divinely given roles taught in the New Testament, women are able to realize their full potential because they are following the plan of their own Creator and Designer. Only in obedience to Him and His design will women truly be able, in the fullest sense, to give glory to God.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

"Look at my hands and my feet; see that it is I myself. Touch me and see; for a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:39)

"I will not execute my fierce anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim;
for I am God and no mortal,
the Holy One in your midst,
and I will not come in wrath." (Hosea 11:9)

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (Matthew 22:30)

Spiritual beings have no biology and cannot be male or female. As God also has both masculine and feminine attributes, he also has no gender.

"God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” He said further, “Thus you shall say to the Israelites, ‘I am has sent me to you.’” (Exodus 3:14)

I said, "Where's your proof"?

ChicanaRose · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
We are equal before God, we are different to each other. Just look at us. When I say you're spewing the egalitarian agenda, I'm talking about the brainwashing that society has succumbed. There is no such thing as equality of man. Only before God. Do you understand?

I think you are correct in pointing out the social phenomenon, with liberal feminism being taken too far (Planned Parenthood, Women's March). And ironically, the message that these liberal feminists emphasize is that we are "unique and different" from men. Indeed, God created us unique and different, but they have twisted that truth to fit their own agenda (such as "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion). I know that the church has not succumbed to that level. But with enormous cultural pressure to conform to the ways of the world, it's always a good measure to be mindful of the direction we are moving in.

bekkilyn · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
I said, "Where's your proof"?

Well if scripture has no authority at all for you, then your entire argument concerning the supposed roles of men and women in the church is moot.

Swan7 · Apr 5, 2019

When in doubt seek God and that’s what I do.

bekkilyn · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
I borrowed this (cheated):

Although the Apostle Paul respected women and worked side by side with them for the furtherance of the gospel (Rom. 16; Phil. 4:3), he appointed no female elders or pastors. In his letters, he urged that men were to be the leaders in the church and that women were not to teach or exercise authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12). Therefore, although women are spiritual equals with men and the ministry of women is essential to the body of Christ, women are excluded from leadership over men in the church.

Men and women stand as equals before God, both bearing the image of God Himself. However, without making one inferior to the other, God calls upon both men and women to fulfill the roles and responsibilities specifically designed for them, a pattern that can be seen even in the Godhead (1 Cor. 11:3). In fulfilling the divinely given roles taught in the New Testament, women are able to realize their full potential because they are following the plan of their own Creator and Designer. Only in obedience to Him and His design will women truly be able, in the fullest sense, to give glory to God.

Following Christ is not about excluding people.

You also can't say on one side of the mouth that men and women are equal and then on the other side of the mouth, give examples of why they are not equal.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
I think you are correct in pointing out the social phenomenon, with liberal feminism being taken too far (Planned Parenthood, Women's March). And ironically, the message that these liberal feminists emphasize is that we are "unique and different" from men. Indeed, God created us unique and different, but they have twisted that truth to fit their own agenda (such as "my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion). I know that the church has not succumbed to that level. But with enormous cultural pressure to conform to the ways of the world, it's always a good measure to be mindful of the direction we are moving in.

Looking towards the future seems a scary thing for the church and the world. Fortunately though we already know we will have victory and so although these things are annoying, they will not be the end of things and we actually can look towards the future with optimism and trust.

You're very informed, that a rare thing. God Bless you!

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Following Christ is not about excluding people.

You also can't say on one side of the mouth that men and women are equal and then on the other side of the mouth, give examples of why they are not equal.

EQUAL BEFORE GOD. NOT IN ROLES HERE ON EARTH.

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Following Christ is not about excluding people.

You also can't say on one side of the mouth that men and women are equal and then on the other side of the mouth, give examples of why they are not equal.

We can say that women and men are equal but different.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

JAYPT said:
I dont think you are a woman hater, I dont like role reversals either. I am an traditional guy in every sense of the word but that doesn't mean that women cannot lead nor teach. We can differ on that point but we dont have to be nasty. Nevertheless, that wasnt the OP's original question. I think that has been answered.

That's fine but you're arguing with Jesus, all the apostles (especially Paul), God the father, and the Holy Spirit.

bekkilyn · Apr 5, 2019

Romans 8 said:
EQUAL BEFORE GOD. NOT IN ROLES HERE ON EARTH.

As Christians, we are ambassadors of God's kingdom here on earth and are to live as such, and there is no Jew or Gentile, master or slave, or male or female in Christ Jesus.

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
As Christians, we are ambassadors of God's kingdom here on earth and are to live as such, and there is no Jew or Gentile, master or slave, or male or female in Christ Jesus.

Yes, we are all saved in the same way.

bekkilyn · Apr 5, 2019

Ttalkkugjil said:
We can say that women and men are equal but different.

The doctrine of separate but equal doesn't work any better for gender than it does for race.

Romans 8 · Apr 5, 2019

bekkilyn said:
As Christians, we are ambassadors of God's kingdom here on earth and are to live as such, and there is no Jew or Gentile, master or slave, or male or female in Christ Jesus.

This is referring to reconciliation to God. This has NOTHING to do with your main point of egalitarianism.

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