Can women talk about Jesus and the gospel?

Ttalkkugjil said:

I know of many women and men who know how to use the search function of online forums. I have already shared Scriptural support here at CF. Your choice to search for it or not.

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Lol. Ok.

I have been taught that a woman can preach to the women's group at church, or at women's Christian conference, but "not usurp authority over man" (1 Tim. 2:12) by preaching to men.

I have to stand on a neutral ground on this one.

I am not opposed to female pastors. But since men are not allowed to become nuns, it's hard to assert that a denomination is being unfair by restricting women from a certain position.

Ttalkkugjil said:

Yes, in terms of salvation we certainly are.

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Because thats what it said..... oh brother..... now I see what I am up against. Good luck!

Romans 8 said:

Rather than ask us to take your word for it, explain how Deborah led God's people with scripture.

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Or read the Bible for yourself instead of having it spoon fed to you.

He asked for an example. I gave it. I did what was asked of me.

I didnt ask anyone to take my word for it.

It's not my job to test the Spirits FOR you.

Romans 8 said:

Stop spewing egalitarian doctrine.

Yes, we are equal. But we are different. Wake up.

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I will "spew" what I like, thanks. Ya we're different, no doubt, but according to Him, we are all the same. Why would Paul also say to men to submit to their wives and women submit to their husbands... because it is equal. Like I have been say to both you boys, context, you are not grasping the context of the time. So when you do your research, come back and make a response that corresponds with scripture.

Toro said:

Or read the Bible for yourself instead of having it spoon fed to you.

He asked for an example. I gave it. I did what was asked of me.

I didnt ask anyone to take my word for it.

It's not my job to test the Spirits FOR you.

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If you're going to make a point based on the bible. You are obliged to find a verse to back it up. And since you cannot, then you need to listen instead of talking.

JAYPT said:

Because thats what it said..... oh brother..... now I see what I am up against. Good luck!

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Luck is for rabbits. I'm a baptized child of God.

Romans 8 said:

If you're going to make a point based on the bible. You are obliged to find a verse to back it up. And since you cannot, then you need to listen instead of talking. Even among men there are roles. In the old days you would be feeding my horse and stacking my hay

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Very prideful and arrogant of you to say such a thing sir.

Not very Christ like.

All I pointed out is truth.

If he, or you want to know more... seek.

Christ's words, not mine.

Romans 8 said:

Agree. This is why we must do our due diligence when selecting a church.

Agree.

The bible does not teach that women lead, it teaches that women DESIRE to lead but that they must submit.

I think leading a house group is ok. Or teaching kids. Or helping in other positions, but not as the lead Pastor. The church should be led by a man.

Question: How many of Jesus' apostles were men? How many women wrote the bible? What does Genesis say about the role of men and women? What does the bible say about the roles of a man and woman in marriage? What verses of the bible say women should lead?

It's not that I think women are below men, it's just how we were built. God himself is male, not female. He created us with certain roles. If you look out into society, you can see that the enemy has convinced us to reverse those roles. This is the reason for the high divorce rates. It's just not the way we were created.

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I view most of what you wrote here as nonsense and serious misinterpretation of scripture, but I particularly disagree with your statement that God himself is male. While the human incarnation of God in Jesus is male (and would not have fulfilled Messiah prophecy without being male in his human form), God is neither male nor female. There is no such thing as male or female outside of the physical biology required to produce children....which has nothing whatsoever to do with spiritual authority, and spiritual authority is for God alone.

A pastor of a church is a *servant* and all human beings are qualified to serve and ALL Christians, male and female alike, are to mutually submit to and serve the needs of one another. (Ephesians 5:21)

The reason these arguments over who gets to be a leader in the church or elsewhere continue to persist because we have a distorted and worldly view of what being a leader really means when it comes to God's kingdom. "But he (Jesus) said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves.'" (Luke 22:25-26)

JAYPT said:

I will "spew" what I like, thanks. Ya we're different, no doubt, but according to Him, we are all the same. Why would Paul also say to men to submit to their wives and women submit to their husbands... because it is equal. Like I have been say to both you boys, context, you are not grasping the context of the time. So when you do your research, come back and make a response that corresponds with scripture.

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We are equal before God, we are different to each other. Just look at us. When I say you're spewing the egalitarian agenda, I'm talking about the brainwashing that society has succumbed. There is no such thing as equality of man. Only before God. Do you understand?

Toro said:

Very prideful and arrogant of you to say such a thing sir.

Not very Christ like.

All I pointed out is truth.

If he, or you want to know more... seek.

Christ's words, not mine.

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Yes, it was a cheap shot.

JAYPT said:

So how is Galatians 3:28 working for you??

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They typically pretend that it only applies to salvation and not about life in God's kingdom.

Romans 8 said:

We are equal before God, we are different to each other. Just look at us. When I say you're spewing the egalitarian agenda, I'm talking about the brainwashing that society has succumbed. There is no such thing as equality of man. Only before God. Do you understand?

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The way you are talking to people here, I am done responding to you. Absolutely terrible. You dont have common decency.

bekkilyn said:

I view most of what you wrote here as nonsense and serious misinterpretation of scripture, but I particularly disagree with your statement that God himself is male. While the human incarnation of God in Jesus is male (and would not have fulfilled Messiah prophecy without being male in his human form), God is neither male nor female. There is no such thing as male or female outside of the physical biology required to produce children....which has nothing whatsoever to do with spiritual authority, and spiritual authority is for God alone.

A pastor of a church is a *servant* and all human beings are qualified to serve and ALL Christians, male and female alike, are to mutually submit to and serve the needs of one another. (Ephesians 5:21)

The reason these arguments over who gets to be a leader in the church or elsewhere are because we have a distorted and worldly view of what being a leader really means when it comes to God's kingdom. "But he (Jesus) said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves.'" (Luke 22:25-26)

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You typed out your opinion but where's the proof?

Romans 8 said:

Stop spewing egalitarian doctrine.

Yes, we are equal. But we are different. Wake up.

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I think we [women] cannot have it both ways: Have our cake and eat it too.

If we want to usurp authority over men, then we should not expect special treatment as "the weaker vessel" (1 Pet. 3:7). And I respect independent, strong godly women who expect to be treated equally with men.

And if we expect special treatment as the weaker vessel, then we should be willing to give up having this authority, understanding that good things comes with sacrifices.

Egalitarian or complementarian, it's really an individual choice. But we cannot have it both ways.

Romans 8 said:

We are equal before God, we are different to each other. Just look at us. When I say you're spewing the egalitarian agenda, I'm talking about the brainwashing that society has succumbed. There is no such thing as equality of man. Only before God. Do you understand?

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Yes, but you're spewing the gender complimentarian agenda, so why should you get to spew and JAYPT gets to not spew?

JAYPT said:

The way you are talking to people here, I am done responding to you. Absolutely terrible. You dont have common decency.

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Why are you so offended? Wow.

ChicanaRose said:

I think we [women] cannot have it both ways: Have our cake and eat it too.

If we want to usurp authority over men, then we should not expect special treatment as "the weaker vessel" (1 Pet. 3:7). And I respect independent, strong godly women who expect to be treated equally with men.

And if we expect special treatment as the weaker vessel, then we should be willing to give up having this authority, understanding that good things comes with sacrifices.

Egalitarian or complementarian, it's really an individual choice. But we cannot have it both ways.

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The thing is, neither men nor women should be usurping authority over the other because neither should *have* authority over the other.

bekkilyn said:

Yes, but you're spewing the gender complimentarian agenda, so why should you get to spew and JAYPT gets to not spew?

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Let it be, dont worry about it.... if people want to behave badly, I have given up my right to control the conversation and leave this topic. It is a secondary issue.