And, according to mormonism, you would return to that same house after you learned and grew...
Nope.
Those individuals in question will be judged and have their place accordingly.
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Nope.
Those individuals in question will be judged and have their place accordingly.
Basically, had we remained in Heaven, we'd have been little more than blank slates. We'd have had the basics of our personalities, but that would be it.
This time on Earth is time for us to learn, grow, and overcome.
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(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 20:28)
28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
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However Jesus spent time in church:
(New Testament | Matthew 4:23)
23 ¶ And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
(New Testament | Matthew 4:23)
23 ¶ And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
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Book of Mormon , Alma 34:36, “…The Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell…”
Doctrine & Covenants 130:3, “…the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.”
Book of Mormon, Alma 22:9-10, “And the king said: Is God that Great Spirit …and Aaron said unto him: Yea, he is that Great Spirit…”
Doctrine & Covenants 130:22, “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.”
President Lorenzo Snow recorded this experience that occurred when he was still a young elder: “The Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun shone at noon-day, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man.” Elder Snow expressed this new found understanding in these words: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” Later the Prophet Joseph Smith assured him: “Brother Snow, that is true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you” (quoted by LeRoi C. Snow, in “Devotion to Divine Inspiration,” Improvement Era, June 1919, pp.
(Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 151-52)
The Prophet Joseph Smith said:
“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings, pp. 345-46)
Though each God in the Godhead is a personage separate and distinct from each of the others, yet they are "one God" (Testimony of Three Witnesses in Book of Mormon), meaning that they are united as one in the attributes of perfection. For instance, each has the fulness of truth, knowledge, charity, power, justice, judgment, mercy, and faith. Accordingly they all think, act, speak, and are alike in all things; and yet they are three separate and distinct entities. Each occupies space and is and can be in but one place at one time, but each has power and influence that is everywhere present. The oneness of the Gods is the same unity that should exist among the saints. - John 17; 3 Ne. 28:10-11 (Mormon Doctrine)
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/whats-the-differance-between-godhead-and-trinity.3013510/
Mormon Doctrine, p. 319
Doctrine & Covenants 130:3, “…the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.”
Book of Mormon, Alma 22:9-10, “And the king said: Is God that Great Spirit …and Aaron said unto him: Yea, he is that Great Spirit…”
Doctrine & Covenants 130:22, “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.”
God is a holy, perfected personage with a body of flesh and bones (see Moses 6:57; 7:35; D&C 130:22; Matthew 5:48)....
- As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40; 20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2; Luke 4
President Lorenzo Snow recorded this experience that occurred when he was still a young elder: “The Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun shone at noon-day, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man.” Elder Snow expressed this new found understanding in these words: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” Later the Prophet Joseph Smith assured him: “Brother Snow, that is true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you” (quoted by LeRoi C. Snow, in “Devotion to Divine Inspiration,” Improvement Era, June 1919, pp.
(Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 151-52)
The Prophet Joseph Smith said:
“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings, pp. 345-46)
Though each God in the Godhead is a personage separate and distinct from each of the others, yet they are "one God" (Testimony of Three Witnesses in Book of Mormon), meaning that they are united as one in the attributes of perfection. For instance, each has the fulness of truth, knowledge, charity, power, justice, judgment, mercy, and faith. Accordingly they all think, act, speak, and are alike in all things; and yet they are three separate and distinct entities. Each occupies space and is and can be in but one place at one time, but each has power and influence that is everywhere present. The oneness of the Gods is the same unity that should exist among the saints. - John 17; 3 Ne. 28:10-11 (Mormon Doctrine)
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/whats-the-differance-between-godhead-and-trinity.3013510/
Mormon Doctrine, p. 319
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We are not to stop gathering together--however, no church replaces Jesus, It is He that we are to worship, not the church.
We are His temple now.
2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co_3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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Yes we are the temple of God, add there are also church buildings, and temples.
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You mean like the 3 year old that was raped and murdered--or that 5 year old that grew up chained to the toilet and starved and eventually, died and how about those millions that were just plain aborted??---Really learned and grew and overcame didn't they?
Blank slates my foot! Lucifer had no problem developing his personality! And the 1/3 of the angels that went with him had no problem either. Just sounds crazier every time.
Angels are created to be angels---with their own personalities and free choice--
Lucifer:
Eze_28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze_28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
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There was one temple in Jerusalem, not many. And it was no longer needed as Christ was the final sacrifice.
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What anti-Mormon tract did you copy this from?
Alma 22 -> Alma 18 makes it clear that "Great Spirit" is the term the Lamanites used to refer to God.
Don't believe me?
Alma 18
5 Now this was the tradition of Lamoni, which he had received from his father, that there was a Great Spirit. Notwithstanding they believed in a Great Spirit, they supposed that whatsoever they did was right; nevertheless, Lamoni began to fear exceedingly, with fear lest he had done wrong in slaying his servants;
That they try to pull the whole "Great Spirit" bit is nothing more than a re-hash of the same old argument.
The people who wrote that tract are trying to deceive you and everyone else who is reading it.
That's all there is to it.
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The theology holds that anyone who dies before they reach a mental state where they can comprehend good and evil comes straight back to Heaven.
...And the people responsible for their deaths should really be investing in asbestos skivvies...
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They go back to heaven--with their blank slates---makes sense to you? Or are they send back to earth again in the hopes of getting a better deal? How many go-rounds they get? A little twist on the old reincarnation theory.
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No, the temple was where the sacrifices for sin were made on the altar. No Masonic rites.
Hebrews 10
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The laver was not for baptizing by proxy.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: when they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: so they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations. (Exodus 30:17-21)
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I'm glad I don't worship your god. Doesn't he know ahead of time that they will die before this "mental state" is reached? If so, why does he send them in the first place? Seems pointless. If he doesn't know ahead of time, what kind of god is he? Certainly not the God found in the Bible!
Isn't your god ultimately responsible for their deaths, since he's the one who sent them here to die a pointless death so early in their lives?
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Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses. Animal sacrifice is no longer necessary. However temple ordinances still need to be performed and will continue to be performed although Satan would stop them if he could. You are correct, the laver was not for baptizing, the molten sea was.
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