Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

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Actually, you are (respectfully). "The first of the Sabbaths" is referring to the beginning of the count of Sabbaths until Shavuot (Pentecost). The weekly Sabbath ended, and the count of 7 Sabbaths + 1 day begins and that is why Matthew 28:1 is written that way. Don't reconcile 1st century Jewish thought to your 21st century Western mindset... reconcile your 21st Western mindset to 1st century Jewish thought. The Scripture become much clearer when you do.

Yet the passage does not say that. I've clearly demonstrated that.

So, reconcile what ever mindset you follow to what the Scripture actually says; because we are not to compare Scripture to what people in the past thought it meant. We are to compare it to itself.
 
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Yet the passage does not say that. I've clearly demonstrated that.

So, reconcile what ever mindset you follow to what the Scripture actually says; because we are not to compare Scripture to what people in the past thought it meant. We are to compare it to itself.

Um, the scriptures in question were written almost 2000 yrs ago, so yeah we need to know what people in the past meant when they wrote it. You don't know very much about 2nd Temple Judaism do you...
 
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Congratulations you caught my mistake; the barely harvest was the 1st Sunday after Passover. YET - The Jews did not celebrate the "feast of first fruits" until Pentecost. So yes, technically "the feast of first fruits" was Pentecost. I was not "confused" when I said Jesus did not rise from the dead on Pentecost!

Yet what is translated "first day of the week" is the word "sabbaths" in the Greek.

Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων ἦλθεν Μαρία
After then sabbaths it being dawn into first sabbaths came Mary

ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαριὰ θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον
the Magdalene and the other Mary to see the tomb.

Note - the two underlined words are the same word. Both words are "genitive neuter plural" "sabbaths". It's very clear that these passages refer to the "first day of the week" (which we know is Sunday) as a "sabbath".

It is NOT "oh they are referring to the next Saturday". The text does not say that! If the text said that - it would be written this way:

Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς ἐπαύριον ἥτις ἐστὶν μετὰ
After then sabbaths it being dawn into next day which is after

τὴν σαββάτων ἦλθεν Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαριὰ θεωρῆσαι
the sabbaths came Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary to see

τὸν τάφον
the tomb.

It's not written this second way though! It's written the first way. It's written the first way for a distinct reason. That reason being that the new set of "sabbaths" commenced Sunday with the resurrection! And why a new set of "sabbaths"? Because the Old Testament was fulfilled in Christ!

Sorry, but I'm not the one who's "confused" about this.

Yes you are confused. I will defer to Ken who already explained it to you. Regarding first fruits...it is called Reishit Katzir, the beginning of the havest or Yom HaBikkurim, the Day of First fruits. The counting of the Omer starts and is counted daily until Shavuot (Pentecost). It was on this day Yeshua resurrected from the dead.
 
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Um, the scriptures in question were written almost 2000 yrs ago, so yeah we need to know what people in the past meant when they wrote it. You don't know very much about 2nd Temple Judaism do you...

Again, Scripture tells us to compare it to itself; not what people thought it said 2000 years (or 10,000 years) ago.

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

1 Corinthians 2
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Yes you are confused. I will defer to Ken who already explained it to you. Regarding first fruits...it is called Reishit Katzir, the beginning of the havest or Yom HaBikkurim, the Day of First fruits. The counting of the Omer starts and is counted daily until Shavuot (Pentecost). It was on this day Yeshua resurrected from the dead.

I already admitted to you that yes you were correct. The barely harvest was the first harvest; which commenced the Sunday after Passover. (but apparently you missed the fact that I...... told you you were right!

(wow - isn't that what you wanted to hear???) :scratch: :scratch::scratch:

Or is it that I'm also correct that the actual feast didn't commence celebration until Pentecost - which was 50 days later. That's why there were all those people in Jerusalem when the Holy Spirit was poured out. Remember - ya know the they all began to speak in foreign languages.

And Jesus rose from the dead the first Sunday after Passover - which was not Pentecost - now was it?
 
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I was pretty clear as to what I pointed out and if you don't believe it - that's not my problem.
I understood what you said, but what you said, doesn't properly represent what scripture said.

I was also looking for an answer to my original two questions:

God the Father having created the world by Jesus Christ, in 6 days and so rested the 7th day, blessing and sanctifying it, was that 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3 made for Adam, and all mankind in him?

Is Jesus the second 'man', the last 'Adam' according to the scripture?


(Nor does it negate the fact the Greek still used the word "sabbath" to apply to the "first day of the week".)
The koine Greek (or any language in translations thereof, Syriac, Latin, English, etc) does not apply "the sabbath" to "the first day of the week". What it does say, is the first day to the sabbath/s (which were already pointed out specifically). Some would even say the first day between sabbaths (Isa. 66:23).

(PS you gave the same arguments they all give. You have not explained why the writers of the New Testament did not use different language to "avoid confusion" of all "us" you deem to be wrong when God certainly could have used different language to "avoid confusing all the rest of us".)
There is no confusion upon any of the translators parts (which if you may consider the background in linguisitics, languages, theology of even the King James translators specifically), but only upon your own part.

That was the point I was making!
You misunderstood my point. The language in either koine Greek, English, etc, is clear:

Matthew 28:1 - Bible Gateway

Even in Luther's German:

Mat. 28:1 GLB - Als aber der Sabbat um war und der erste Tag der Woche anbrach, kam Maria Magdalena und die andere Maria, das Grab zu besehen.

Even in Samoan:

Mat 28:1 Samoan - Ua mavae le sapati, ua tafa ata o le uluai aso o le vaisapati, ona o atu ai lea o Maria le Makatala, ma le isi Maria e asiasi i le tuugamau.

Jeromes Latin Vulgate -

Mat. 28:1 JLV - vespere autem sabbati quae lucescit in primam sabbati venit Maria Magdalene et altera Maria videre sepulchrum

Italian:

Mat. 28:1 Italian Giovanni Diodati - ORA, finita la settimana, quando il primo giorno della settimana cominciava a schiarire, Maria Maddalena, e l'altra Maria, vennero a vedere il sepolcro.

Spanish:

Mat. 28:1 Spanish Reina Valera - Y LA víspera de sábado, que amanece para el primer día de la semana, vino María Magdalena, y la otra María, á ver el sepulcro.

French:

Mat. 28:1 French Ostervald - Après le sabbat, à l'aube du premier jour de la semaine, Marie de Magdala et l'autre Marie vinrent pour voir le sépulcre.

Hebrew:

Mat. 28:1 Hebrew NTDD - ואחרי מוצאי השבת כשהאיר לאחד בשבת באה מרים המגדלית ומרים האחרת לראות את־הקבר׃

They all say the same thing in essence, that the 7th day the sabbath was past (15th) (and likewise the festal sabbath (15th), first day of unleavened bread) and the first day of the week, which is the first day toward the sabbath, being the day of Firstfruits (16th) (and in this instance, there were two, since upon the following sixth day, was the festal, final day of the feast of unleavened bread (21st), and the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD (22nd)), and from that day, firstfruits (Lev. 23:9-14), 50 days were to be counted, 7 7th day sabbaths, and the day following as per Lev. 23:15-22.

And by the way "feast of first fruits" which is Pentecost
I am sorry The Righterzpen, but "feast of firstfruits" is not "Feast of Weeks" (Pentecost).

Firstfruits: Lev 23:9-14.
Pentecost: Lev. 23:15-22.

Pentecost was calculated from Firstfruits.

Jesus arose from the grave on the firstfruits, as per 1 Cor. 15:20,23.

Pentecost did not come until Acts 2:1-3,33, Psa. 133:1-3; Rev. 5:6, etc.

Jesus had stayed around 40 days, Acts 1:3 and ascended the second time, this time from Mt. Olivet. And the disciples returned to Jerusalem, and waited 10 days, praying etc, Acts 1.

came 50 days post resurrection.
Pentecost came 50 days post resurrection, post firstfruits.

Jesus did not rise from the dead on Pentecost.
I never said Jesus did raise from the dead on Pentecost. He was already in Heaven by Ten Days and anointed as Great High Priest therein.

Apparently you posted your "question" here with a preconceived agenda
Actually they are honest questions, to which I did not see a response to directly from yourself. However, I would like to give you another opportunity to do that, if you desire.

, of which you will not be swayed from
It would have to be a matter of evidence, and directly answering the question with persuasive evidence from scripture, to which I did not see in your reply, neither a direct reply to the questions, unless you would like to show me where you did, I would be glad to reconsider the response.

; no matter how much Scripture I point you to.
Please attempt to do so again, since I was not actually pointed to any scripture, except the koine Greek of Matthew 28:1, to which I did respond to with evidences.

So, have a nice night.
Thank you.
 
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And I should know better than to judge by titles. :) A mentor of mine, who was known for pretty creative titles, once wrote an article and somebody wrote a 4 page rebuttal. My friend got about half into the first page when he realized the guy didn't read his article, he was arguing against the title. :) What he "thought" it meant, and what it meant, weren't the same.
It's understandable. :) Grace of God be unto you.
 
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Actually it is your problem. You are the one confused. The first day of the week (Yom Rishon...our Sunday) is NOT called the Shabbat. Also, HH never said He rose on Shavuot (Pentecost). He rose on the first fruits of the barley harvest. The day the wave sheaf is offered.
Thank you. :)

Here, I found a pretty good representation online:

AWHN-Bible-7-Feasts-Of-The-LORD.jpg
 
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I agree, words have more than one meaning. He ceased, and when I "rest" on Shabbat I am ceasing from the work I do on the other 6 days.
Most excellent. I am with you.

But the point remains, did He have to stop?
That is a more difficult question to answer, at least to me, since I believe it is part of His character, but I wouldn't argue with you on the 'no' necessarily. :)

No, but He did and I submit it was to act a model to follow. God teaches this way, sometimes.
O, I agree. :)

Remember the 3 men with Abraham?
Yes. Gen. 17-19.
Two we find out are angels, the other is referred to as Yod Hay Vav Hay (YHVH or as rendered in our bibles, LORD). God was one of those "men" and He sent the angels to Sodom to find out what all those cries of sin were about.
With ya, very good. I agree. Abraham calls the center Person (JEHOVAH Emmanuel, Jesus), "Judge of all the earth" (Gen. 18:25).

Didn't He already know? Isn't He God? Yes... but He was again, giving an example to follow. He sent "two" to verify the facts, and we learn we are also to have more than one witness to verify a set of facts.
Sounds good, yes, an investigation, and a judgment.

So I would contend, simply, that God rested or ceased and in doing so revealed how He desires His creation to act as well.
I wouldn't disagree with that, and do agree with it, though I would include more to it. :)

If I am wrong I am wrong...
From what I read in scripture, you are not wrong on that point.

won't be the first time nor the last. :)
Yeah, been there. Hahahaa. :)
 
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Yet the creation does not "rest" and neither does God. This is why Jesus said "My Father works hitherto and I work." John 5:17
Creation is also to rest, see Exo. 20:8-11.

God did indeed rest, from "creation", but continues the sacred 'work' in 'sustaining'. It keeps life (in harmony with the Sabbath, Luk. 6:9; etc) going.

Creation is not the same as Sustaining the Creation.

It would be like unto the two pillars of the Bible, Inspiration and Preservation.

Inspiration is not Preservation.

Inspiration (2 Tim. 3:16-17) is not the same as Preserving (Psa. 12:6-7) that which was/is Inspired.

The sabbath was "made for man" (i.e. the son of man)
Actually the koine Greek (which you seem to like to refer to) of Mar. 2:27, says

"... the sabbath was made for 'the' man ..."

και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

"ton" (the; definite article) "anthrwpon" (man; singular), which is a direct reference to Genesis 1:27 so-called LXX:

καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον, κατ᾿ εἰκόνα θεοῦ ἐποίησεν αὐτόν, ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ ἐποίησεν αὐτούς.

That "the man" was called "Adam", and all humanity is in him, and thus the whole duty of "adam" (man) is to keep God's commandments, Ecc. 12:13-14 HOT, HOT translit., and so-called LXX:

Ecc 12:13 HOT סוף דבר הכל נשׁמע את־האלהים ירא ואת־מצותיו שׁמור כי־זה כל־האדם׃

Ecc 12:14 HOT כי את־כל־מעשׂה האלהים יבא במשׁפט על כל־נעלם אם־טוב ואם־רע׃

Ecc. 12:13 HOT Translit. šôf Dävär haKol nish'mä et-häélohiym y'rä w'et-mitz'wotäyw sh'môr Kiy-zeh Käl-ädäm

Ecc. 12:14 HOT Translit. Kiy et-Käl-maáseh häélohiym yävi v'mish'Pä† al Käl-ne'läm im-†ôv w'im-rä

Ecc 12:13 so-called LXX Τέλος λόγου τὸ πᾶν ἀκούεται Τὸν θεὸν φοβοῦ καὶ τὰς ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ φύλασσε, ὅτι τοῦτο πᾶς ἄνθρωπος.

Ecc 12:14 so-called LXX ὅτι σὺν πᾶν τὸ ποίημα ὁ θεὸς ἄξει ἐν κρίσει ἐν παντὶ παρεωραμένῳ, ἐὰν ἀγαθὸν καὶ ἐὰν πονηρόν.

Thus my original two questions, in conenction with 1 Cor. 15:45-47. Adam the first and Adam (Jesus) the second/last. Since the Sabbath was made for the man (Adam) and all humanity in him, it was also made for the second man, the LORD from Heaven, Jesus (the second Adam) and all humanity in Him for the Sabbath was most especially made for Him, Col. 1:16

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Thus go back to Mar. 2:27 and address the two questions of the OP if you would please.

for the flesh to "rest" after the crucifixion. This is why He's "lord of the sabbath". The ultimate "rest" will be the new heavens and new earth. There will be no more "labor". There will be no more labor because there is no sin and no death.
Jesus is indeed the LORD of the Sabbath, since it was He that rested at Creation, Gen. 2:1-3, and in Redemption. The sabbath will be kept by all flesh even in eternity, Isa. 66:22-23, from "sabbath to sabbath". The Sabbath in Isaiah is always the 7th day, the sabbath of the LORD thy God, and never another day.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:3
Hebrews 3-4 (among many others; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, Acts 4:24, 14:15; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7, &c).

Hebrews 3-4 is clear.

Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.

Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.

Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.

Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".

Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.

Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Jesus was the lamb "slain from the foundation of the world". Revelation 13:8
Yep, but what does that have to do with the questions of the OP and topic?

Before God ever commenced any of this it was already a "done deal".
It was "finished" from creation.

Here, let me show you something that is found online:

AWHN-Bible-7000-Years.jpg


The 7th day was symbolic.
There is no scripture which states that. The 7th day is something literal, Gen. 2:1-3; Exo. 20:8-11, etc.

It was a shadow of things to come.
You are referring to Col. 2:16, but did not properly exegete it, for notice it speaks of "shadows", but God's Law (including the 4th commandments, Exo. 20:8-11) is "Light" (not shadow), Isa. 8:20; Psa. 119:105; Pro. 6:23. God's Law is spiritual (Rom. 7:14), not carnal (which Col. 2, is connected linguistically to Eph. 2 and Heb. 9-10 and Eze. 45:17; the "carnal" "ordinances"; Eph. 2:15; Heb. 9:10; Eze. 43:18, 44:5, 45:14 "ordinance"). God's Law is called "Commandments" and "Law" (Exo. 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 10:4), never "ordinances" (Col. 2:16; Eph. 2:15, Hebrews 9-10; Eze. 45:14-17, etc).

You presently have a mistaken notion in regards Col. 2, and I suspect you have not studied where Paul is quoting from, especially Psa. 98:1-3; Eze. 45:17, at least in Col 2.
 
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Creation is also to rest, see Exo. 20:8-11.

God did indeed rest, from "creation", but continues the sacred 'work' in 'sustaining'. It keeps life (in harmony with the Sabbath, Luk. 6:9; etc) going.

Creation is not the same as Sustaining the Creation.

It would be like unto the two pillars of the Bible, Inspiration and Preservation.

Inspiration is not Preservation.

Inspiration (2 Tim. 3:16-17) is not the same as Preserving (Psa. 12:6-7) that which was/is Inspired.

Actually the koine Greek (which you seem to like to refer to) of Mar. 2:27, says

"... the sabbath was made for 'the' man ..."

και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

"ton" (the; definite article) "anthrwpon" (man; singular), which is a direct reference to Genesis 1:27 so-called LXX:

καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον, κατ᾿ εἰκόνα θεοῦ ἐποίησεν αὐτόν, ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ ἐποίησεν αὐτούς.

That "the man" was called "Adam", and all humanity is in him, and thus the whole duty of "adam" (man) is to keep God's commandments, Ecc. 12:13-14 HOT, HOT translit., and so-called LXX:

Ecc 12:13 HOT סוף דבר הכל נשׁמע את־האלהים ירא ואת־מצותיו שׁמור כי־זה כל־האדם׃

Ecc 12:14 HOT כי את־כל־מעשׂה האלהים יבא במשׁפט על כל־נעלם אם־טוב ואם־רע׃

Ecc. 12:13 HOT Translit. šôf Dävär haKol nish'mä et-häélohiym y'rä w'et-mitz'wotäyw sh'môr Kiy-zeh Käl-ädäm

Ecc. 12:14 HOT Translit. Kiy et-Käl-maáseh häélohiym yävi v'mish'Pä† al Käl-ne'läm im-†ôv w'im-rä

Ecc 12:13 so-called LXX Τέλος λόγου τὸ πᾶν ἀκούεται Τὸν θεὸν φοβοῦ καὶ τὰς ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ φύλασσε, ὅτι τοῦτο πᾶς ἄνθρωπος.

Ecc 12:14 so-called LXX ὅτι σὺν πᾶν τὸ ποίημα ὁ θεὸς ἄξει ἐν κρίσει ἐν παντὶ παρεωραμένῳ, ἐὰν ἀγαθὸν καὶ ἐὰν πονηρόν.

Thus my original two questions, in conenction with 1 Cor. 15:45-47. Adam the first and Adam (Jesus) the second/last. Since the Sabbath was made for the man (Adam) and all humanity in him, it was also made for the second man, the LORD form Heaven, Jesus (the second Adam) and all humanity in Him for the Sabbath was most especially made for Him, Col. 1:16

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Thus go back to Mar. 2:27 and address the two questions of the OP if you would please.

Jesus is indeed the LORD of the Sabbath, since it was He that rested at Creation, Gen. 2:1-3, and in Redemption. The sabbath will be kept by all flesh even in eternity, Isa. 66:22-23, from "sabbath to sabbath". The Sabbath in Isaiah is always the 7th day, the sabbath of the LORD thy God, and never another day.

Hebrews 3-4 (among many others; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, Acts 4:24, 14:15; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7, &c).

Hebrews 3-4 is clear.

Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.

Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.

Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.

Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".

Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.

Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Yep, but what does that have to do with the questions of the OP and topic?

It was "finished" from creation.

Here, let me show you something that is found online:

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There is no scripture which states that. The 7th day is something literal, Gen. 2:1-3; Exo. 20:8-11, etc.

You are referring to Col. 2:16, but did not properly exegete it, for notice it speaks of "shadows", but God's Law (including the 4th commandments, Exo. 20:8-11) is "Light" (not shadow), Isa. 8:20; Psa. 119:105; Pro. 6:23. God's Law is spiritual (Rom. 7:14), not carnal (which Col. 2, is connected linguistically to Eph. 2 and Heb. 9-10 and Eze. 45:17; the "carnal" "ordinances"; Eph. 2:15; Heb. 9:10; Eze. 43:18, 44:5, 45:14 "ordinance"). God's Law is called "Commandments" and "Law" (Exo. 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 10:4), never "ordinances" (Col. 2:16; Eph. 2:15, Hebrews 9-10; Eze. 45:14-17, etc).

You presently have a mistaken notion in regards Col. 2, and I suspect you have not studied where Paul is quoting from, especially Psa. 98:1-3; Eze. 45:17, at least in Col 2.

Well, you will not convince me to keep the 7th day sabbath, so we part company here.

Good night!
 
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Pentecost is called the 'feast of weeks':

There are Seven Feasts (as shown previously):

"... It has been noticed that the Biblical festivals, all of which occur within the first seven months of the year, are seven in number, ..." - Jewish Encyclopedia, Festivals.

Here again as found online:

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Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

[The Feast of Firstfruits; and this is the heading in most English Bibles]

Lev 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Lev 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

Lev 23:13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Firstfruits (aka Bikkurim) is its own Feast, though connected to the feast of Unleavened bread and also by the 50 days with Pentecost (Feast of Weeks; Shavuot). Now someone might say that because they are connected that at Pentecost they celebrated the 'feast of firstfruits', but that is mixing things, for that was the celebration of the feast of weeks, while firstfruits was 50 days earlier.

Notice again in Joshua:

Passover:

Jos 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

Unleavened:

Jos 5:11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.

Firstfruits:

Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

Now, can we go back to the OP subject, the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, and the two questions?

This thread is not about the feasts, given after sin of mankind, but about God's rest, the 7th day, before sin of mankind.

Therefore, please do not derail this thread, I ask peaceably.
 
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Well, you will not convince me to keep the 7th day sabbath, so we part company here.

Good night!
It is not my job to convince you, though you just acknowledged the 7th day sabbath. It is my part to simply share with you, what God has shared with me. This is love.

This issue will divide the whole world, even as it is now, as foretold, Rev. 14:6-12, especially see vs 7,12.

Thank you for the well-wishing.
 
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Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

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So to begin this thread, my leading questions:

God the Father having created the world by Jesus Christ, in 6 days and so rested the 7th day, blessing and sanctifying it, was that 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3 made for Adam, and all mankind in him?

Is Jesus the second 'man', the last 'Adam' according to the scripture?
My third question:

Was the sabbath made for Jesus?
 
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Or is it that I'm also correct that the actual feast didn't commence celebration until Pentecost - which was 50 days later.

What actual feast. The first fruits of barley was on Yom HaBikkurim while the wheat was on Shavuot (weeks). There were lots of Jews in Jerusalem on all 3 pilgrimage festivals.
 
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Again, Scripture tells us to compare it to itself; not what people thought it said 2000 years (or 10,000 years) ago.

Wow, did not know there were scriptures 10,000 yrs ago. Posting a page of arbitrary scriptures does not prove your "point".
 
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Wow, did not know there were scriptures 10,000 yrs ago. Posting a page of arbitrary scriptures does not prove your "point".

There were things people believed about God 10,000 years ago. And how do you know what was written down and what wasn't and what form it was in.

Like I said to the last person, you're not going to convince me to keep a 7th day sabbath - so have a nice day.

(Note to self now - not to respond to these 7th day sabbatarian threads because they can't answer the question and they don't listen anyways.)

Have a nice day!
 
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My third question:

Was the sabbath made for Jesus?

though you just acknowledged the 7th day sabbath.

And I never denied there was a 7th day sabbath. I stand firm on my belief that there are 2 sets of sabbaths. A 7th day one that was fulfilled in Christ - because yes - that one was made for Him; who now instituted the 1st day sabbath.

So yeah, I know you think I'm condemned and what ever; but hey, I frankly don't care what you think.

Sorry to have bothered you all with my posts. I've learned my lesson now, not to respond to these threads.

Bye!
 
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(Note to self now - not to respond to these 7th day sabbatarian threads because you can't answer the question and you don't listen anyways.)

Have a nice day!

Almost the only thing I agree with you on LOL!
Shabbat Shalom! ;-)
 
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And I never denied there was a 7th day sabbath. I stand firm on my belief that there are 2 sets of sabbaths. A 7th day one that was fulfilled in Christ - because yes - that one was made for Him; who now instituted the 1st day sabbath.

So yeah, I know you think I'm condemned and what ever; but hey, I frankly don't care what you think.

Sorry to have bothered you all with my posts. I've learned my lesson now, not to respond to these threads.

Bye!

NOWHERE has a weekly 1st day Sabbath been instituted that has replaced the 7th.
 
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