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Fortunately, the bible does support our position that I can become like God and through his power and authority, He can give me His divine nature. That is one of His purposes for being God. Why do you think there are billions and billions of galaxies that you cannot even get to in billions of years, traveling the speed of light. It is because there are many like our God, creating earths, like our God. Remember our God has created so many planets, that they can not be numbered by man. Will we ever be able to get to the beginning? Not known, it has not been given. A song lyric is not canon scripture.

When the OT says that there are no Gods before me, or no Savior beside me, or no God formed before me or after me, that is all related to this earth and this heaven that our God created in the beginning. Not about any other earth or star or planet, but only ours. No other gods are going to have anything to do with our earth and our heavens. So because our God is in charge of our heavens and our earth, He can say He is it, and it is the truth.

If our earth was created approximately 7,000 years ago, then we know the creation of the earth was not the beginning of the creations in the universe. We have no idea how large the universe is except to say that going 660 million miles an hour, it would take you 100,000 light years to cross our rather smallish galaxy (the Milky Way). There are billions of billions of Milky Way galaxies that we know of. Light from these distant galaxies take millions of years to travel from their planet to our earth. Therefore their creation was millions of not billions of years ago. This is only 1 reason we believe that there are many Elohim that are creating and there will be many, many more, as the universe continues to expand making more room for more of our God's children that do his will and become just like Him.

Your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture is not evidence of anything that would support your position. There are no other gods/Gods and you will not become one, no matter how hard you try.
 
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Perhaps millions or billions of years ago. The Bible does not say and I don't have that information, but I like this scripture:
(Old Testament | Psalms 82:1)

1 GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
The word in Psalm 82:1 "gods" is referring to the judges of Gods Law. The Psalm here is about unjust judgement of people by those that are the deliverers(judges)of Gods word to the congregation of Israel. They were showing partiality to the wicked and idolatours rather than mercy and Love to the broken and poor in Spirit. This ties into when Jesus tells the Pharisees in John Ch 10 that deals with them being the overseers of Israel but yet misusing the Law and twisting it and keeping people out of the Kingdom of God and keeping them in Religious bondage.
 
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He created the dust from which He formed man.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Psa_90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The word that is confusing you is "create". I studied this word in the Hebrew a long time ago and this is what I remember. In the Hebrew, the word "create" is "bara" which means to create, shape or form. It does not mean something can be made "out of nothing".

Some people make a big deal out of the words "create" and "made". That God created out of nothing some things, and made from existing material other things. There are problems with this concept, for instance it says in Genesis 2:4 that God both created and made the heavens and the earth. So which one is it?

It is an interesting discussion, so believe what you wish, but don't look down and JS and me for not agreeing with you because we have a different perspective. "Out of nothing" is not a biblical concept, it was created 2 or 3 hundred years after Jesus and the apostles to make the Nicean God look all powerful, even to be able to create things "out of nothing".
 
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Your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture is not evidence of anything that would support your position. There are no other gods/Gods and you will not become one, no matter how hard you try.
I now know I have won the discussion.
 
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Of course, what is your question?
This is more of a personal question to begin with, and so if any choose not to answer, I respect that.

Were you (personally) born and raised by LDS parents, into the theology of the LDS church and if so, at what point did you personally make the decision to continue in it, or did you (personally) come into said system from outside by decision, and if so, what was the leading factor in that decision?

Second question, out of all the theology in that system of belief/practice, what is the most important to you (personally) and why?

Third question, What is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice for you (personally)?

Fourth question, What is the official LDS position in regards who 'the beast' is, what its 'mark' is, and what its 'image' is, and on 'the number of his (the beast's) name.

Fifth question, What does the LDS officially teach is "sin"?

(ps this is not a one way street, nor spot-light interrogation, feel free to reciprocate questions) :)
 
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When you sing this:

If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?​

are you singing heresy? Did Gods have a beginning?
It is my understanding that those folks believe that God the Father attained that status by becoming really good on a planet in outer space, that the other persons of God joined him the same way, and that you and I can become gods if we're good Mormons. In other words, it's not heresy to them, but it is to the Bible's understanding that God is one God in three Persons (see the Gospel of John).
 
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Is God a thing or is He nothing? I say God does exist and has always existed in one form or another and He is something. Therefore the universe was not void of matter. God organized the matter into worlds, stars, etc. :
(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

A hound dog found a bone and held it tightly in his mouth. He growled and scowled at anyone who attempted to take it away. Off into the woods he went to bury his prize.

When he came to a stream, he trotted over the footbridge and happened to glance into the water. He saw his own reflection. Thinking it was another dog with a bigger bone, he growled and scowled at it. The reflection growled and scowled back.

"I'll get THAT bone too," thought the greedy dog, and he snapped his sharp teeth at the image in the water.

Alas, his own big bone fell with a splash, out of sight, the moment he opened his mouth to bite!
Story Arts | Aesop's ABC | The Dog and His Bone

An image is an image.
 
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t says in Genesis 2:4 that God both created and made the heavens and the earth. So which one is it?

Really? Which one???? You can't comprehend that it means both? You have a very puny God that can't do much--He can't keep His word safe, He can't create from nothing, He has to have a heavenly mother--actually several, He can't do what He commanded Adam and Eve to do---be fruitful and multiply, without having Satan help Him by causing them to sin first, He is only the God of this earth, He has all manner of other gods that were before Him and many more after Him---He is ineffectual. The Christian God is totally and completely able to do all of the above. He is all powerful and that, sadly, JS and all of you will find out. But there are some things He is incapable of---lying, a respecter of persons, and knowing those who don't know Him. You can keep the commandments all you want, bottom line is, if you do not know the God you claim to serve you will hear this---

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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I now know I have won the discussion.

So you think this is a competition??
You have never "won" any discussion---you have never been able to biblically prove a single one of your non Christian believes. You can't. Your bible is JS's writings and without him you have nothing. Truth be told----with him you have absolutely nothing, especially, eternal life. God can'/t accept those that follow a different God than He. You God is not the God of the bible.
 
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Were you (personally) born and raised by LDS parents, into the theology of the LDS church and if so, at what point did you personally make the decision to continue in it, or did you (personally) come into said system from outside by decision, and if so, what was the leading factor in that decision?

*Born and raised.

*Many of the people who've decided to "save" me over the years were of such poor character that even the Pharisees of old would have cringed. Couple this with my personal studies and I've decided to remain.

Let's start with this.
 
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The word in Psalm 82:1 "gods" is referring to the judges of Gods Law. The Psalm here is about unjust judgement of people by those that are the deliverers(judges)of Gods word to the congregation of Israel. They were showing partiality to the wicked and idolatours rather than mercy and Love to the broken and poor in Spirit. This ties into when Jesus tells the Pharisees in John Ch 10 that deals with them being the overseers of Israel but yet misusing the Law and twisting it and keeping people out of the Kingdom of God and keeping them in Religious bondage.
They still used the word Gods: Psalm 82:1 Hebrew Text Analysis
 
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This is more of a personal question to begin with, and so if any choose not to answer, I respect that.

Were you (personally) born and raised by LDS parents, into the theology of the LDS church and if so, at what point did you personally make the decision to continue in it, or did you (personally) come into said system from outside by decision, and if so, what was the leading factor in that decision?

Second question, out of all the theology in that system of belief/practice, what is the most important to you (personally) and why?

Third question, What is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice for you (personally)?

Fourth question, What is the official LDS position in regards who 'the beast' is, what its 'mark' is, and what its 'image' is, and on 'the number of his (the beast's) name.

Fifth question, What does the LDS officially teach is "sin"?

(ps this is not a one way street, nor spot-light interrogation, feel free to reciprocate questions) :)
1. I was born and raised a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, my wife joined before we were married when she was 21. She was investigating the church and joined because of the doctrine.

2. Keeping the commandments. It is the main theme of the scriptures and has the greatest rewards.

3. Following the prophet. He has all of the keys.

4. As far as I know we do not know any more about it than what is in the Book of Revelation.

5. Sin:
(Guide to the Scriptures | S Sin.:Entry)

Willful disobedience to God's commandments.

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, Prov. 28:13. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, Isa. 1:18. Sinners shall die, and the righteous shall be saved, Ezek. 18. The Lamb of God taketh away the sins of the world, John 1:29. Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, Acts 22:16. The wages of sin is death, Rom. 6:23. To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin, James 4:17. Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin, 2 Ne. 4:31. Wo unto all those who die in their sins, 2 Ne. 9:38. They could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence, Alma 13:12. Do not suppose ye will be restored from sin to happiness, Alma 41:9–10. The Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance, Alma 45:16 (D&C 1:31). Little children are not capable of committing sin, Moro. 8:8. To repent, men must confess and forsake their sins, D&C 58:42–43. The greater sin remains in him who forgives not, D&C 64:9. He who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation, D&C 82:3. Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, D&C 82:7. When we undertake to cover our sins, the heavens withdraw themselves, D&C 121:37.
 
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Is God a thing or is He nothing? I say God does exist and has always existed in one form or another and He is something. Therefore the universe was not void of matter. God organized the matter into worlds, stars, etc. :
(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)

This passage very explicitly says that "All things have been created through him and for him". That means ALL, including matter. Thus, at some point, the universe was void of matter until Christ created it. To say otherwise is to say that "all things have been created through him and for him" is a false.
 
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*Born and raised.

*Many of the people who've decided to "save" me over the years were of such poor character that even the Pharisees of old would have cringed. Couple this with my personal studies and I've decided to remain.

Let's start with this.
Ok, you were 'born and raised'.

I too was born and raised in a religion (not LDS), a theology, a way of life. After a long time of that, I asked God was it true in sincerity and honesty. He showed me what I believed, practiced to be error, and asked me to leave it and go to where He directed me (which is where I am presently).

I am not here to "save" anyone, as Jesus already did that.

I am here to ask questions, for those who would desire to speak in all charity with me.

Can we speak about your "personal studies"? Would you list the top 5 things that you personally studied that brought about your remaining?

Would you be willing to look closely again at those top 5 things with me?

If you have truth, I want it, and if I have truth, I would hope you would want it, and in both cases that we would be willing to give all for it.

My final authority is the scripture, specifically the King James Bible.

What is your final authority?
 
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They still used the word Gods: Psalm 82:1 Hebrew Text Analysis
Its actually 'gods', and may I ask you to consider the following:

John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

This speaks of at-one-ment, of heart, purpose, not of persons.

John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

They did this, because, Jesus just claimed full equality with God, that is, the person of the Father. He had done this before [John 10:25, "... I told you, and ye believed not ..."], with the same results:

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

This would have been blasphemy [Leviticus 24:14; 1 Kings 21:10], and subject for stoning, had it not been that Jesus was who He said He is.

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

Jesus, then knowing that they do not believe His words, mercifully points them to His actions, deeds, the very miracles wrought, the lives of people delivered from satan, sin, disease, death. Many say that actions speak louder than words, and therefore, Jesus turned up the volume for them, that these willingly deaf might hear, and have no excuse for their own evil present course:

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

They unwittingly condemn themselves by acknowledging that the works of Jesus were "good works". They should have recognized then, the source of them, and recognize, that Jesus' actions, were matching His words, and have drawn the conclusion by following the result back to their source and see that the words were undeniably true, yet this they did not do, because they sought to justify themselves, and to justify their idea of what the Messiah/Christ ought to have been, and do. Jesus, having already told them [1], and shown them [2], that He was equal to God, that is the person of the Father, and did the very "good works" that the Father does, now attempts to show them from scripture [3] itself [rather than His present words, and present actions], who He is:

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Now, Jesus cites the scripture [OT] itself, specifically Psalms 82:1,6, in its context [see also that the priests and rulers of the people are called by God, "gods" [Exodus 4:16, 7:1, 22:28; Psalms 138:1; Daniel 8:11,25, 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:3]], which in context, meant "children of the Most High" [Psalms 82:6], all "brethren" [Matthew 23:8; Hebrews 2:11], equally Kings and Priests, under God:

Psalms 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

There is a perfect parallelism:

[1A] "... God ..."

[1B] "... he ..."

[2A] "... standeth in ..."

[2B] "... judgeth among ..."

[3A] "... the congregation of the mighty ..."

[3B] "... the gods ..."


Psalms 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Psalms 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Psalms 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

There is a perfect parallelism:

[1A] "I have said ..."

[1B] "... and ..."

[2A] "... Ye are ..."

[2B] "... all of you are ..."

[3A] "... gods ..."

[3B] "... children of the most High."

Psalms 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Psalms 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

In so doing, Jesus refers to God Himself, being in the midst of the His people, while He being the true just Judge, they being unjust judges, God defending the poor, fatherless, needy, etc, they turning away from them. The very moment that Jesus cites this reference to the Psalm, is exactly the moment of the contrast between Himself, His words and actions, and their [the Jews, leaders, Pharisees, etc] words and actions. So, Jesus' [1] words demonstrated/vindicated who He is, and who they were, [2] His actions, the "good works", demonstrated/vindicated who He is, and who they were, and even [3] the very scripture itself in Psalms 82, demonstrated/vindicated who He is, and who they were. However, more than this, Jesus is drawing a greater argument from the text, notice:

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus, said "I am the Son of God", and in John 10:30, said, "I and my Father are one", which the "Jews" rightly understood Him, to make the claim that He was indeed equal to God, the person of the Father, when they said [John 10:33], "... thou ... makest thyself God."

Is Jesus backtracking from making the claim to be God [not the person of the Father, but that of the Son], or backtracking from the claim that He was equal with God [person of the Father]? No. He is making a perfect air-tight case, from scripture, which cannot be broken [John 10:35], from the 'lesser' to the 'greater'.

Jesus cited Psalms 82, saying that even the scripture called God's own people, "gods", meaning that they were to be just judges, even "children of the most High", and thus were all 'sons of God' in that sense, called to be like Him in character, words, actions, etc. Jesus had claimed to be the actual "Son of God", who from eternity was equal with the Father. Jesus is saying, since the scripture called the adopted persons 'gods', 'children of the most High', which none of them argued with, how much more then does the actual un-adopted, original, eternal, only begotten heir have claim to such, as "Son of God", and they all knew of the person from the OT, see "my fellow" [Zechariah 13:7], the person at the bush with Moses [Exodus 3 & 4, 23:21], with Joshua [Joshua 5:13-15], etc, etc, and the coming "son" [Isaiah 9:6] who was given from the Father.

Therefore, which had the greater claim to the designation and responsibility, the actual Son of God, or those who were later called into the family of God, through adoption, whom were all called "gods", "children of the most High", "sons of God" [Genesis 6:2,4; Hosea 1:10; Ezekiel 16:21, etc]? How then could they stone Jesus, since the Messiah was the real Son of God, and they all only called and adopted? They would to have as soon stone themselves before they could rightfully stone Jesus for the rightful claim, which was superior in every way to their claim to such. Jesus is not saying that He is not God, nor lessening the arguments and words beforehand made, nor backtracking to save Himself, He, instead is making the perfect unarguable case, from scripture that He is who He said He is, drawing from the 'lesser' to the 'greater' example. Jesus finishes by pointing back again to His actions, which were fulfilling the very scriptures:

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

They did not care about all three means by which Jesus sought to show them, because, they were unjust, and proved themselves so and stubbornly wanted to remain so. They could not refute Jesus' words, actions or scripture.

Adam was in charge of this world, but when he subjected himself to satan, he (satan) became the 'god of this world' (2 Cor. 4:4), and there are men who claim such position, even found in 2 Thes. 2:4, and in Dan. 11:37-39, and so on, Eze. 28:2,9.
 
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For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)

This passage very explicitly says that "All things have been created through him and for him". That means ALL, including matter. Thus, at some point, the universe was void of matter until Christ created it. To say otherwise is to say that "all things have been created through him and for him" is a false.
Create does not mean making something out of nothing. Religions used to say that the earth was the center of the universe because that is the way they interpreted the Bible. Their interpretation was wrong and science shows that yours is also wrong also. Logically if nothing existed before God then God did not exist either because God is something.
 
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1. I was born and raised a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, my wife joined before we were married when she was 21. She was investigating the church and joined because of the doctrine.
Thank, but I was more interested in your personal case, though I understand you are now one flesh.

Have you personally investigated what you believe, and if so, how did you test that belief, in other words what was the final authority to test by? Same question for your wife, if she is available and desires to also reply in your reply.

2. Keeping the commandments. It is the main theme of the scriptures and has the greatest rewards.
Ok, could you be more specific, as to which "commandments" you are to keep?, please be specific as you are able.

3. Following the prophet. He has all of the keys.
"[A]ll of the keys"? How many keys are there, and what are they, could you be more specific in their identification and function?

What about:

Rev. 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Doesn't Jesus have those keys?

What of the following key:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

That 'angel' (messenger) is again Jesus, having that Key, having taken it from the one in Rev. 9.

When you say "prophet" are you referring only to Joseph Smith, or to the current president of the LDS or both and all in between?

4. As far as I know we do not know any more about it than what is in the Book of Revelation.
Ok, but what do you specifically know about it from the book of Revelation?

Wouldn't it be important to know and understand one of the greatest threatenings of God in regards those things found in Rev. 13 and 14:9-11?

5. Sin:
(Guide to the Scriptures | S Sin.:Entry)

Willful disobedience to God's commandments.

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper, Prov. 28:13. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, Isa. 1:18. Sinners shall die, and the righteous shall be saved, Ezek. 18. The Lamb of God taketh away the sins of the world, John 1:29. Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, Acts 22:16. The wages of sin is death, Rom. 6:23. To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin, James 4:17. Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin, 2 Ne. 4:31. Wo unto all those who die in their sins, 2 Ne. 9:38. They could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence, Alma 13:12. Do not suppose ye will be restored from sin to happiness, Alma 41:9–10. The Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance, Alma 45:16 (D&C 1:31). Little children are not capable of committing sin, Moro. 8:8. To repent, men must confess and forsake their sins, D&C 58:42–43. The greater sin remains in him who forgives not, D&C 64:9. He who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation, D&C 82:3. Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, D&C 82:7. When we undertake to cover our sins, the heavens withdraw themselves, D&C 121:37.
Okay I went through that, but it doesn't say which commandments at least in the section you quoted. Could you be more specific? Which transgression of which commandments is sin?

Is there a Bible verse you could refer to that defines sin as the LDS understand it?
 
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