Evolution Disproven

2/10 troll job

Why are apes still here in the world?

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality disproves evolution.
Evolution is about adapting to survive and reproduce.
Homosexuality does not reproduce.
Therefore homosexuality falsifies evolution.

Click to expand...

Nature prefers diversity higher than all other influences.

The Nature of Diversity: An Evolutionary Voyage of Discovery

Peak and Persistent Excess of Genetic Diversity Following an Abrupt Migration Increase

Biodiversity as a multidimensional construct: a review, framework and case study of herbivory's impact on plant biodiversity

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality does not reproduce.

Click to expand...

Gays are the single largest group of adopters of children.
But my cousin and her spouse each bore a child, who are both in college.

See if you can pick her out. She has light colored hair.

Does this mean genetic mutations also disprove evolution? Did God somehow make mistakes?

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality disproves evolution.

Click to expand...

No it doesn't.

Evolution is about adapting to survive and reproduce.

Click to expand...

For a population.

Homosexuality does not reproduce.

Click to expand...

But it does improve the general survival and reproductive fitness of the population it is in.

Therefore homosexuality falsifies evolution.

Click to expand...

Therefore the opposite of that.

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality disproves evolution.
Evolution is about adapting to survive and reproduce.
Homosexuality does not reproduce.
Therefore homosexuality falsifies evolution.

Click to expand...

Same-sex behavior and bonding, even for life, appears in many vertebrate species. Did you know that?

There's a book on it:BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE.

Doveaman said:

Which proves my point, they do not reproduce.

Click to expand...

Could they reproduce?

Doveaman said:

Interesting.

But is homosexuality necessary for such an improvement to the population?

Click to expand...

Is anything? Different traits have different, sometime antagonistic effects on fitness. Male genes try for bigger babies because they are more likely to survive. Female genes push for smaller babies because they are easier to give birth to, and the woman more likely to survive to have more babies. We can look back and explain what is. We cannot work out what could have been or even more what should have been.

I think having wings and being able to soar like an eagle would have improved our population. Evolution disagrees.

Does evolution produce what is unnecessary?

Click to expand...

Depends on your definition of unnecessary.

Here's a good article on the Russian guy that bred domesticated foxes:
Why domesticated foxes are genetically fascinating (and terrible pets)

most relevantly:
"One of the lab’s most interesting findings is that the friendly foxes exhibit physical traits not seen in the wild, such as spots in their fur and curled tails. Their ears show weird traits, too."

These kinds of passenger traits exist in the wild as well. Are they necessary? I'd argue not.

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality disproves evolution.
Evolution is about adapting to survive and reproduce.
Homosexuality does not reproduce.
Therefore homosexuality falsifies evolution.

Click to expand...

That's interesting. I'm convinced more and more that a gay lifestyle and the urges that come along with it are the result of little boys' and girls' confusion at a certain age about their identities and events of abuse and mistreatment then.

Bruce Leiter said:

That's interesting. I'm convinced more and more that a gay lifestyle and the urges that come along with it are the result of little boys' and girls' confusion at a certain age about their identities and events of abuse and mistreatment then.

Click to expand...

Ignorance.

Doveaman said:

Homosexuality disproves evolution.
Evolution is about adapting to survive and reproduce.
Homosexuality does not reproduce.
Therefore homosexuality falsifies evolution.

Click to expand...

??
But they can reproduce if they choose to and heterosexual people may choose not to reproduce.
I don't think you thought this idea through very well.

Doveaman said:

Interesting.

But is homosexuality necessary for such an improvement to the population?

Does evolution produce what is unnecessary?

Click to expand...

To be useful, an evolutionary trait doesn't need to be necessary. It only has to confer a reproductive advantage (i.e., result in more, viable offspring) on the population as a whole. It's rare for a single change to be the sole means of preventing a population from going extinct. Any given animal or plant is a large collection of evolutionary advantages.

Some mutations are neutral. They are neither advantageous nor disadvantageous and may spread through a population randomly (its a statistical thing) or be dragged along as a secondary characteristic of an advantageous change.

The answer is a qualified "Yes".

OB

Doveaman said:

Are gay people mutants?
God didn't create mutants.

Click to expand...

We're all (including you) mutants. We each carry our own little collection of mutations. Some have been (or will be) passed on to our children - some will not.
OB