Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

Oscarr said:
I think that the Holy Spirit heals when He decides to heal, not when we decide. We can quote Scriptures until the cows come home; we can "name and claim" all we wish, but until the Holy Spirit decides that He has good enough to reason to bring miraculous healing, then there is no other option but to wait on God.

We don't control God in the same way that the clay cannot control the potter. See Isaiah 45:11:
"This is what the LORD says--the Holy One of Israel and your Creator: "Do you question what I do for my children? Do you give me orders about the work of my hands?"

We can ask God to heal a person as we spend time with Him in private intercession for him: "Everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests to God, and the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:6). As part of that, we ask the Lord if He wants us to be involved in ministry to the sick person. He will tell us either way. If the Holy Spirit says no, we have to accept that, and not go forward and try to minister the healing because nothing will happen, and the Holy Spirit will be grieved and quenched because of our disobedience. If He says yes, then we ask how He wants to use us and what are we to do. He will then give the necessary instructions which we need to follow exactly.

The trouble is that many just rush in without personal intercession first, or waiting on God for the Spirit to instruct us. They rush forward and lay hands on sick people and wonder why nothing happens.

After doing the research on healing I asked the Lord, "What do you want me to do about it?" He said, "Minister to healing to anyone who comes across your path and the opportunity opens for you." I asked, "What if nothing happens?" He said, "That doesn't matter. The results are not yours to achieve. All you have to do is to be obedient when the opportunity is there." So I have done that, and I have never been refused when I have offered to take a person by the wrist and commanded healing for them. In fact, a fellow gym member who injured herself and was walking on two crutches, said, "Thank you for the blessing!" The next week she walked in with just one crutch, and said to me, "See? I'm walking on just one crutch now!" That gym member was not a Christian. I commanded healing for my work team leader and the arthritis in her knee disappeared much to the puzzlement of the doctor, and when she said it in a staff meeting, a Christian workmate said in a loud voice, "That was after Paul prayed for it!" That was a wonderful testimony for all the staff present.

So, obedience is the key, and sometimes healing happens and sometimes it doesn't, but for every person I have ministered to, they have been very thankful that I have cared enough to want to assist in this way.

Theological differences aside, I am glad you are praying for the sick. From what you shared, people are perceiving love coming out of you which is such a blessing. I believe we all should be praying for the sick, and if all of us, who called ourselves Christians were, then people wouldn't look at me like I was a nutjob when I offered to pray for them in Walmart. I have experienced times where there were more people praying and the people in the area responded differently than when you are the only one or one of a very few praying for people.

I would never tell God what to do. That never even crosses my mind. I permanently stopped following a man who thought he could order the Holy Spirit around, despite a very powerful revival he was involved with. I think you are in a very bad place when you do something like that. God knows my heart. You all can't see within me. He can. He knows that was not my intention to strongarm Him (as if I ever could anyway) or demand of the God who chose to wake me up despite me.

I think one of the differences between us is persistence, which Scripture clearly teaches. My faith and compassion demands persistence as long as the person is willing to allow me to keep praying and limited by whatever time constraints either of us have. I don't just pray once, given the opportunity if the complete healing hasn't manifested. And, I have often seen the complete healing come. I prefer in person, but sometimes I have no choice due to other issues. I have prayed for 3 hours twice (in 1.5 hour sessions on different days due to our mutual time constraints) and those were both phone prayers. But, I have also prayed over the phone for much shorter times and seen the person healed. Often I have seen partial healing quickly which makes it very clear that they are going to get healed and then it is easy to sell persistence, because they feel the difference and are often very willing to persist to completion.
I get the starting point, then pray. Then they check to see where they are at. Then we pray. Then we check to see where they are at. Then we pray. As long as they are willing to allow me to keep praying, I am bound by my compassion for them, to continue praying.

Even when I stop praying, it doesn't mean that God has to be done. He may heal them a few days later. I don't give Him a timeframe and I didn't give Him one here either. I just said that I wouldn't post anything again until the man was healed. That could be right after the prayer time on Wednesday or it might not be for weeks, depending on when I get to see the man's healing come to fruition for him and for God's glory.

I also don't see how a Christian trusting God's Word over man's traditions, science, etc, is a problem, since God's Word is settled in heaven and doesn't change and all the other stuff does. If we were to compare, in our present world, the amount of times people wholly trusted medical science and didn't end up with the desired outcome and even died due to a mistake, adverse reaction or unknown drug interaction in comparison with the events like you noted in one of your posts, we would see how relatively rare a claimed God-focus leads to an adverse event, yet people make a big deal about that and claim it gives Christianity a bad name. As a former drug rep, I could tell you a whole slew of medical horror stories, including someone dying because the anestheologist put the tube down the wrong pipe. Others have died because of drug interactions that should have been caught. Others have died because of the very medicine that was supposed to help them. People take anti-depressants and, yet, scientific proof says that people commit suicide while on antidepressants--so much so that they had a black box warning for suicide potential. People have failed knee operations or failed hip or back surgeries all the time. I have had a lot of doctor friends, but it saddens me when people put more faith in the doctor to heal them than the Great Physician who created us.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

I spent a lot of time trying to genuinely answer people today. Tomorrow, I need to focus on my task at hand. It doesn't help me to banter like this. I only do it for the sake of the one for whom God would use it to bring them to a greater faith in Him.

I look forward to talking again after God's will has manifested in that man's body. I can't imagine what it has been like to deal with constant ringing in your ears and hearing loss since the Vietnam war.

For those who want to throw rocks, God will have His day. I would rather be found doing what He told me to do and fighting in faith for it to come to pass (while looking foolish to man), instead of not doing what He told me in Scripture that, as a believer, I should be doing (and looking wise to man). I am to pray for the sick. I can't pray in faith, if I don't expect them to get healed.

Natsumi Lam · Apr 2, 2019

A Realist said:
Read closer and comprehend. I never said Jesus lied. I simply stated no one has the kind of faith/belief He talked about in those verses.

Don't attribute falsehoods to me just because you don't like what I'm saying. It makes you look like a really small person who must make others look bad to make himself feel good.

How do you know that no one has that faith? I have seen my father have that level of faith that can move mountains.

I just dont understand why we are fighting and not praying with and for him....

Natsumi Lam · Apr 2, 2019

A Realist said:
You've proved my point. Seems like Jesus wouldn't have said it if he actually expected anyone to be able to do it then, huh? I mean surely He didn't expect people to go around causing tidal waves.

The kind of faith/belief exemplified in Mark 11:22-24....which seems to be what some "think" they have....simply doesn't exist.

How do you know it doesnt exist?

Natsumi Lam · Apr 2, 2019

Praying with you Brother!

A_Thinker · Apr 2, 2019

W2L said:
Im a skeptic. Perhaps if you're wrong you could just admit it and stay on the forums. It would be humbling but so blessed for you, and would set an example for the rest of us to follow.

I agree.

I think that he should stay and just deal ....

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
Theological differences aside, I am glad you are praying for the sick. From what you shared, people are perceiving love coming out of you which is such a blessing. I believe we all should be praying for the sick, and if all of us, who called ourselves Christians were, then people wouldn't look at me like I was a nutjob when I offered to pray for them in Walmart. I have experienced times where there were more people praying and the people in the area responded differently than when you are the only one or one of a very few praying for people.

I would never tell God what to do. That never even crosses my mind. I permanently stopped following a man who thought he could order the Holy Spirit around, despite a very powerful revival he was involved with. I think you are in a very bad place when you do something like that. God knows my heart. You all can't see within me. He can. He knows that was not my intention to strongarm Him (as if I ever could anyway) or demand of the God who chose to wake me up despite me.

I think one of the differences between us is persistence, which Scripture clearly teaches. My faith and compassion demands persistence as long as the person is willing to allow me to keep praying and limited by whatever time constraints either of us have. I don't just pray once, given the opportunity if the complete healing hasn't manifested. And, I have often seen the complete healing come. I prefer in person, but sometimes I have no choice due to other issues. I have prayed for 3 hours twice (in 1.5 hour sessions on different days due to our mutual time constraints) and those were both phone prayers. But, I have also prayed over the phone for much shorter times and seen the person healed. Often I have seen partial healing quickly which makes it very clear that they are going to get healed and then it is easy to sell persistence, because they feel the difference and are often very willing to persist to completion.
I get the starting point, then pray. Then they check to see where they are at. Then we pray. Then we check to see where they are at. Then we pray. As long as they are willing to allow me to keep praying, I am bound by my compassion for them, to continue praying.

Even when I stop praying, it doesn't mean that God has to be done. He may heal them a few days later. I don't give Him a timeframe and I didn't give Him one here either. I just said that I wouldn't post anything again until the man was healed. That could be right after the prayer time on Wednesday or it might not be for weeks, depending on when I get to see the man's healing come to fruition for him and for God's glory.

I also don't see how a Christian trusting God's Word over man's traditions, science, etc, is a problem, since God's Word is settled in heaven and doesn't change and all the other stuff does. If we were to compare, in our present world, the amount of times people wholly trusted medical science and didn't end up with the desired outcome and even died due to a mistake, adverse reaction or unknown drug interaction in comparison with the events like you noted in one of your posts, we would see how relatively rare a claimed God-focus leads to an adverse event, yet people make a big deal about that and claim it gives Christianity a bad name. As a former drug rep, I could tell you a whole slew of medical horror stories, including someone dying because the anestheologist put the tube down the wrong pipe. Others have died because of drug interactions that should have been caught. Others have died because of the very medicine that was supposed to help them. People take anti-depressants and, yet, scientific proof says that people commit suicide while on antidepressants--so much so that they had a black box warning for suicide potential. People have failed knee operations or failed hip or back surgeries all the time. I have had a lot of doctor friends, but it saddens me when people put more faith in the doctor to heal them than the Great Physician who created us.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
Theological differences aside, I am glad you are praying for the sick. From what you shared, people are perceiving love coming out of you which is such a blessing. I believe we all should be praying for the sick, and if all of us, who called ourselves Christians were, then people wouldn't look at me like I was a nutjob when I offered to pray for them in Walmart. I have experienced times where there were more people praying and the people in the area responded differently than when you are the only one or one of a very few praying for people.

I would never tell God what to do. That never even crosses my mind. I permanently stopped following a man who thought he could order the Holy Spirit around, despite a very powerful revival he was involved with. I think you are in a very bad place when you do something like that. God knows my heart. You all can't see within me. He can. He knows that was not my intention to strongarm Him (as if I ever could anyway) or demand of the God who chose to wake me up despite me.

I think one of the differences between us is persistence, which Scripture clearly teaches. My faith and compassion demands persistence as long as the person is willing to allow me to keep praying and limited by whatever time constraints either of us have. I don't just pray once, given the opportunity if the complete healing hasn't manifested. And, I have often seen the complete healing come. I prefer in person, but sometimes I have no choice due to other issues. I have prayed for 3 hours twice (in 1.5 hour sessions on different days due to our mutual time constraints) and those were both phone prayers. But, I have also prayed over the phone for much shorter times and seen the person healed. Often I have seen partial healing quickly which makes it very clear that they are going to get healed and then it is easy to sell persistence, because they feel the difference and are often very willing to persist to completion.
I get the starting point, then pray. Then they check to see where they are at. Then we pray. Then we check to see where they are at. Then we pray. As long as they are willing to allow me to keep praying, I am bound by my compassion for them, to continue praying.

Even when I stop praying, it doesn't mean that God has to be done. He may heal them a few days later. I don't give Him a timeframe and I didn't give Him one here either. I just said that I wouldn't post anything again until the man was healed. That could be right after the prayer time on Wednesday or it might not be for weeks, depending on when I get to see the man's healing come to fruition for him and for God's glory.

I also don't see how a Christian trusting God's Word over man's traditions, science, etc, is a problem, since God's Word is settled in heaven and doesn't change and all the other stuff does. If we were to compare, in our present world, the amount of times people wholly trusted medical science and didn't end up with the desired outcome and even died due to a mistake, adverse reaction or unknown drug interaction in comparison with the events like you noted in one of your posts, we would see how relatively rare a claimed God-focus leads to an adverse event, yet people make a big deal about that and claim it gives Christianity a bad name. As a former drug rep, I could tell you a whole slew of medical horror stories, including someone dying because the anestheologist put the tube down the wrong pipe. Others have died because of drug interactions that should have been caught. Others have died because of the very medicine that was supposed to help them. People take anti-depressants and, yet, scientific proof says that people commit suicide while on antidepressants--so much so that they had a black box warning for suicide potential. People have failed knee operations or failed hip or back surgeries all the time. I have had a lot of doctor friends, but it saddens me when people put more faith in the doctor to heal them than the Great Physician who created us.

I have no argument with what you are saying. Medical science is not perfect, and any doctor or surgeon will tell you that. I think that more healing happens in the context of evangelism where the difference between life and death could mean that an unsaved person who dies may end up in hell. To give an unsaved person with a terminal disease healed would give them more opportunity to receive the gospel and get saved.

I agree with your comment about persistence. The problem with many healing ministries is that they pray for the sick person once and then leave the sick person to either get healed or not. Usually, they don't. I believe that if there is advance warning that you are going to go and minister healing to a sick person, then extended time in intercession would be vital to prepared yourself in the Spirit. Then, you would go to the person, command the healing (not ask God for something He has provided through the Atonement - if you have studied Curry Blake's DHT course, as I have, twice on CD and once by the set of videos, you will know that), then you would go back to private prayer and intercede some more. I would then go back the next day and do the same thing, and every day until the healing happens or until the Holy Spirit tells you to stop.

I did a healing seminar in a church and ministered to a lady with emphysema, which is an incurable respiratory condition. After the commanding the lungs to heal, I told her to go up every Sunday morning for prayer until her lungs improved. I told the church pastor that this is what the lady was going to do, because her condition needed persistence in prayer. This is the policy of the Healing Rooms movement. They approach healing in the same way a medical professional, such as a physiotherapist, or a chiropractor approaches regular therapy. But personal intercession for the sick person is vital to ensure that God is kept on the case.

I don't accept what Smith Wigglesworth taught - that if a person needed prayer more than once, the subsequent prayers would be prayers of unbelief. He ignored the Scriptural principle of persistent prayer and ministry.

It is interesting to note that John Wimber ministered to sick people for 11 years with just having the very occasional healing. Then after that, many more people started to get healed. He asked God why it took so long for regular healing started to happen. God answered him: "I just wanted to make sure you meant business!" This showed me that the healing ministry has to be more than just a good idea, or something of a hobby. I think it is a ministry that one is called to by the Holy Spirit. Although anyone can minister healing to a sick person, those who achieve regular and powerful results are those who are specifically gifted by the Holy Spirit. This is Scriptural, because the Holy Spirit distributes gifts severally as He wills.

There has to be qualifications for the healing ministry: A spirit of intercessory prayer, a heart of compassion for sick people, and a holy boldness to offer the ministry to all who come across your path whether they be saved or unsaved.

mreeed · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny I appreciate what you are trying to do in the CF community and I think your heart is in the right place. I can identify with what you said about being an introvert and God having to work with you for boldness. I'm not too familiar or sure what I think about healing theology, but I hope your faith is of the type that can be proven true in this way. Or if not that generally we can find out how to best spur each other on in the faith and ministry of healing. Praying with you that this brother will be healed in His time as you focus on your labour in the Lord tomorrow. Appreciate you weighing in with your background and wisdom too Oscarr.

Saint Steven · Apr 3, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
I am issuing this bold prediction at a cost, because I believe what God said so strongly that it has to cost me something if I am wrong. Though I love this forum (as one could see from my number of posts over time), I am so sure that God heals that I won't ever post again--after Wednesday at approximately 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) when my over-the-phone ministering begins--unless the man from this community that I am ministering healing to is healed in the present time.

I have read posts from people who say that nothing ever changes and nobody's opinion changes, and they don't feel that being a part of this forum adds any value. Maybe uninspired talking and uninspired wisdom doesn't add value and maybe that is because God never intended us to use carnal weapons against the spiritual forces that are behind false doctrine, according to God's Word as found in The Bible. Maybe human bantering with human wisdom doesn't add value. But, when God does something supernatural--like what Jesus said in Mar 16:15-18 to validate the Word preached, that has always changed things. Well, I believe He already has done something for us. And, as an Ambassador in Christ, I am going to prove it.

Even if the person being prayed for never posts, for privacy reasons, healing would be value to the person who receives it and to those who know them. Healing would be a sign to unbelievers who know this individual in his local community and those he is closer with online (whom he might have shared with online). If the person does post, he has the credentials to validate his healing.

While I don't have the permission of the party to post his name, he will know whether or not he is genuinely healed. His wife will know whether he is genuinely healed. And, God will know. Since he is a member of this community, he and God will both know if he isn't healed and if I post again after the scheduled prayer time (Wednesday at 1:30 EST) without his healing having manifested. Since, I have said that I would never post again until His healing comes to fruition in the present time, I would be lying and all three (including God) would know it. Since Revelation doesn't speak kindly of liars, I don't plan to willfully be one.

I would rather never post again on a community I love than willfully be a flat-out liar before God!

Again, I will begin praying for him on Wednesday afternoon over the phone. He lives in another state and has contacted me via private conversation (which will remain private, unless he chooses to share his testimony).

We will be praying specifically for ringing in the ears and hearing loss. I am believing that the ringing will stop and the hearing loss will cease. I am also believing that God is going to bring back the hearing that has been stolen by the enemy. Jesus was manifest to undo the works of satan. satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, but Jesus came to give life and life abundantly. Things don't just happen, we are in a war.

So mark my words, I am so sure that this member of this community will be healed--because of what God already did for us through the stripes, death on the Cross, burial and Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ--that I will never post again on this forum after Wednesday, 4/3/19 at 1:30 PM, until and unless this man's healing is genuinely manifested in the present time--(no silly stuff like claiming belief that he is healed while still suffering from it in the present--he doesn't believe in that either)! His healing will manifest or I will never post here again (which I am sure would please the multitude on this site who don't believe healing is for today anyway).

But, when I do post, you will have been told ahead of time of what was going to happen--while the individual was still suffering from something he has been suffering from for a long long time. GOD is much more GOOD than the multitude give Him credit for. Yay, God!

Serving In Christ Jesus,

John

Count me in.
I'll stand with you to intercede at 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) today.
You can count on my prayer support at that time.
I look forward to the celebration.

Daniel 3:16-17
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us from Your Majesty’s hand.

Alithis · Apr 3, 2019

tampasteve said:
Wow, thank you for clarifying. I am speechless and out of this thread, reply if you desire - but it will be left unread. This twisted theology is only going to get people hurt.

Im wondering where the twist in theology is?
The approach is odd.
The ultimatums questionable .yes.
But to believe and then act on it because you do.... Thats where faith begins..
Perserverence is a whole different thing.. To continue to take action based upon what we believe ..even in the face of much adversity
.is where the rubber hits the road..

Saint Steven · Apr 3, 2019

Exodus 17:10-12
So Joshua fought the Amalekites as Moses had ordered, and Moses, Aaron and Hur went to the top of the hill. 11 As long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, the Amalekites were winning. 12 When Moses’ hands grew tired, they took a stone and put it under him and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur held his hands up—one on one side, one on the other—so that his hands remained steady till sunset.

RaymondG · Apr 3, 2019

Alithis said:
But to believe and then act on it because you do.... Thats where faith begins..

Acting on your faith doesnt necessary entail announcing your actions to the public. For when we do so, that is our reward......and it isnt a bad one either....as it always feel good to hear encouraging words.
Yet a greater reward would be the healing of the man in Question......
There is value in giving alms in secret.....worshiping in spirit.

Read through the thread and you will see more discussion about theology, praise for the faith of the writer, and sentiments concerning our desire for him to stay and not leave........than you will find posts about prayer for the sick.

There are posts in the prayer section that only fosters prays for the sick........and no thoughts of the faith of the writer.

I feel it unwise to lift one up in pray to God, while inviting conversation concerning ones own faith and the lack of faith in others.

DamianWarS · Apr 3, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
I am issuing this bold prediction at a cost, because I believe what God said so strongly that it has to cost me something if I am wrong. Though I love this forum (as one could see from my number of posts over time), I am so sure that God heals that I won't ever post again--after Wednesday at approximately 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) when my over-the-phone ministering begins--unless the man from this community that I am ministering healing to is healed in the present time.

I have read posts from people who say that nothing ever changes and nobody's opinion changes, and they don't feel that being a part of this forum adds any value. Maybe uninspired talking and uninspired wisdom doesn't add value and maybe that is because God never intended us to use carnal weapons against the spiritual forces that are behind false doctrine, according to God's Word as found in The Bible. Maybe human bantering with human wisdom doesn't add value. But, when God does something supernatural--like what Jesus said in Mar 16:15-18 to validate the Word preached, that has always changed things. Well, I believe He already has done something for us. And, as an Ambassador in Christ, I am going to prove it.

Even if the person being prayed for never posts, for privacy reasons, healing would be value to the person who receives it and to those who know them. Healing would be a sign to unbelievers who know this individual in his local community and those he is closer with online (whom he might have shared with online). If the person does post, he has the credentials to validate his healing.

While I don't have the permission of the party to post his name, he will know whether or not he is genuinely healed. His wife will know whether he is genuinely healed. And, God will know. Since he is a member of this community, he and God will both know if he isn't healed and if I post again after the scheduled prayer time (Wednesday at 1:30 EST) without his healing having manifested. Since, I have said that I would never post again until His healing comes to fruition in the present time, I would be lying and all three (including God) would know it. Since Revelation doesn't speak kindly of liars, I don't plan to willfully be one.

I would rather never post again on a community I love than willfully be a flat-out liar before God!

Again, I will begin praying for him on Wednesday afternoon over the phone. He lives in another state and has contacted me via private conversation (which will remain private, unless he chooses to share his testimony).

We will be praying specifically for ringing in the ears and hearing loss. I am believing that the ringing will stop and the hearing loss will cease. I am also believing that God is going to bring back the hearing that has been stolen by the enemy. Jesus was manifest to undo the works of satan. satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, but Jesus came to give life and life abundantly. Things don't just happen, we are in a war.

So mark my words, I am so sure that this member of this community will be healed--because of what God already did for us through the stripes, death on the Cross, burial and Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ--that I will never post again on this forum after Wednesday, 4/3/19 at 1:30 PM, until and unless this man's healing is genuinely manifested in the present time--(no silly stuff like claiming belief that he is healed while still suffering from it in the present--he doesn't believe in that either)! His healing will manifest or I will never post here again (which I am sure would please the multitude on this site who don't believe healing is for today anyway).

But, when I do post, you will have been told ahead of time of what was going to happen--while the individual was still suffering from something he has been suffering from for a long long time. GOD is much more GOOD than the multitude give Him credit for. Yay, God!

Serving In Christ Jesus,

John

God is not a party trick and we do not wield him like a wand. Pray for healing for the glory of God and do it for no other reason.

mreeed · Apr 3, 2019

RaymondG said:
Acting on your faith doesnt necessary entail announcing your actions to the public. For when we do so, that is our reward......and it isnt a bad one either....as it always feel good to hear encouraging words.
Yet a greater reward would be the healing of the man in Question......
There is value in giving alms in secret.....worshiping in spirit.

Read through the thread and you will see more discussion about theology, praise for the faith of the writer, and sentiments concerning our desire for him to stay and not leave........than you will find posts about prayer for the sick.

There are posts in the prayer section that only fosters prays for the sick........and no thoughts of the faith of the writer.

I feel it unwise to lift one up in pray to God, while inviting conversation concerning ones own faith and the lack of faith in others.

These are fair points too, reflecting also our own hearts on the matter I suppose. The greater reward is of course healing the man in question, as you say. I don't think OP's goal is to hear encouraging words; he posted in the controversial forum, after all, and there seem to be plenty that are questioning what he is doing. His willingness to leave the forum posts unless/until the prayer is answered yes doesn't strike me as rewarding either.

Sometimes prayer can seem like a blanket of words and good hopes that we try to make as sincere as possible and cover as much as we can with. Standing on scripture as we understand it definitely gets us closer to the right place. But still the mechanics being spiritual are hard to grasp. There has to be a way of calling each other to greater faith in these things, and the question of what healing faith actually is, is a good and hard one to grapple with. If you can point to where the Prayer forum does this more specifically I think that might also be helpful for us here.

Whether the OP's approach is right or wrong, the impetus for his persistence in prayer beyond his posts and presence here, and willingness to lay this out as a teachable moment in either direction takes a certain kind of spirit, one of faith, but a teachable one too, I think. Being willing to leave the results to God and limiting the weighing in his own thoughts about any whys or wherefores after the fact, I hope will lead to God being the one getting the glory in the result, despite the unorthodox method (not that I want him to go either).

aiki · Apr 3, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
I am issuing this bold prediction at a cost, because I believe what God said so strongly that it has to cost me something if I am wrong. Though I love this forum (as one could see from my number of posts over time), I am so sure that God heals that I won't ever post again--after Wednesday at approximately 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) when my over-the-phone ministering begins--unless the man from this community that I am ministering healing to is healed in the present time.

Your "bold prediction" is unwise. First, it places you front-and-center in the healing event, not God. You have oriented the spotlight upon yourself by making God's potential healing of somebody all about what you believe and how strongly and what you'll do if healing doesn't happen. If God decides to heal, you get to steal some of His glory by having made the healing about your prediction and your resolve to quit CF if He doesn't heal. As far as I can see, your "bold prediction" is just ugly Self attempting to insinuate itself into God's business.

Secondly, your prediction presumes to dictate what God will do. Your thinking seems to be that the strength of your certainty that He will heal obliges Him to do so. There is no "thy will be done" in your prediction, but only "my will be done."

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
But, when God does something supernatural--like what Jesus said in Mar 16:15-18 to validate the Word preached, that has always changed things. Well, I believe He already has done something for us. And, as an Ambassador in Christ, I am going to prove it.

See here how you're making what God might do all about you? You're going to prove that God heals. Well, God doesn't need you to prove anything for Him. He's quite capable of proving what He likes without your self-aggrandizing "predictions."

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
We will be praying specifically for ringing in the ears and hearing loss. I am believing that the ringing will stop and the hearing loss will cease. I am also believing that God is going to bring back the hearing that has been stolen by the enemy. Jesus was manifest to undo the works of satan. satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, but Jesus came to give life and life abundantly. Things don't just happen, we are in a war.

It doesn't really matter what you believe God will do. It only matters what He wants to do. The strength of your belief about healing doesn't have anything really to do with whether or not God will heal. God will heal a person or He will not; you are not the linchpin in how He decides.

What does Satan have to do with the fellow's tinnitus and hearing loss? Our bodies break down in all sorts of ways simply because we live in a world corrupted by sin. Death and disease are not typically demonic in origin but merely the consequence of our own wickedness.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
So mark my words, I am so sure that this member of this community will be healed--because of what God already did for us through the stripes, death on the Cross, burial and Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ--that I will never post again on this forum after Wednesday, 4/3/19 at 1:30 PM, until and unless this man's healing is genuinely manifested in the present time--

And the devil just laughs at this sort of thing. You have put yourself in the limelight where God should stand and the devil applauds. And if God should choose not to heal you have made a foolish, unnecessary vow that your pride will bind you into keeping.

The "healing" obtained through Christ's stripes is a spiritual one, not physical. By his stripes, the rift our sin has caused between Man and his holy Creator is healed. This is what is in view in Isaiah 53:5, as the very next verse explains:

Isaiah 53:6
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

See? We have strayed from God, turned to our own way, and so caused a fatal separation between ourselves and our Maker. Jesus has come to reconcile us to God, to heal the rift our sin produced between God and us, not heal tinnitus. Now, of course, God can heal but He makes no promise whatever to do so any and every time we may ask Him to. And so it is we read of Epaphroditus falling ill and not being healed by way of supernatural miracle; we read the same thing of Trophimus and Dorcas (who actually died); and we read of Paul telling Timothy to take wine for the sake of his stomach rather than claim healing in the atonement.

Josephus · Apr 3, 2019

I'd caution posting this, since the opposite could be true: have you considered that this could be the Adversary simply using your zealous love for the L-rd against you in an attempt to get you to never again post on Christian Forums? If so, I pray your faith is restored and G-d's name honored no matter what happens.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 3, 2019

I am writing simply to follow-up. Due to unforeseen circumstances, we were limited in how much we could pray today. I believe in persistence and could not truly do that today. But, I did pray and I did command the ears to be healed more than once. By his report, we have not had the healing manifest yet. He hasn't heard out of one ear in over 40 years. That makes me sad for him. Knowing that he has 50% loss in the other ear only makes me more sad for him and the less than abundant life he is experiencing in contrast to what Jesus promised. It needs to change. And, it will. But, he hasn't noticed a difference as of this writing. Just letting you know. I don't know when we will get to pray again, due to his busy schedule as a doctor. But, I will update if I hear any changes.

Otherwise, I will just read what naysayers say, so they can have their day--as I promised I would--without responding.

pasifika · Apr 3, 2019

Why are you all arguing is the sick man that needs our collective prayers as the family of God we Must pray and let our heart and purposed known to our Father about one of our brother is sick...so if he's not well or healed is that cost anything but to ask more and more for His mercy that He make one of our brother healed...He is our Father and we need His help...

Alithis · Apr 3, 2019

RaymondG said:
Acting on your faith doesnt necessary entail announcing your actions to the public. For when we do so, that is our reward......and it isnt a bad one either....as it always feel good to hear encouraging words.
Yet a greater reward would be the healing of the man in Question......
There is value in giving alms in secret.....worshiping in spirit.

Read through the thread and you will see more discussion about theology, praise for the faith of the writer, and sentiments concerning our desire for him to stay and not leave........than you will find posts about prayer for the sick.

There are posts in the prayer section that only fosters prays for the sick........and no thoughts of the faith of the writer.

I feel it unwise to lift one up in pray to God, while inviting conversation concerning ones own faith and the lack of faith in others.

Meh.. I mentioned his approach is odd.
But faith is the action one takes based upon what one believes.
Not the theology we cling to in the absence of action .

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