Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

NBB · Apr 2, 2019

I believe people have some sorts of obstacles in them, i don't know it may be lack of faith or something, or commitment etc, i don't know, because i really believe God wants to do more, i do really believe this, God wants to do a lot more than what its happening in today christians lives.

About putting sort of a limit in this, i don't see that helping, you can't move the hand of God with this kind of thing i guess.

NBB · Apr 2, 2019

People who says a son dying and parents were praying.. etc, that is wrong to say that they lacked faith but what would of happen if the prophet would have not arrived in time on several ocassions in the bible? people would have died, so i believe God does raises people that has a calling or something to do stuff and can help others with their faith.
I don't have any experience on this just my humble opinion.

nonaeroterraqueous · Apr 2, 2019

I would have thought that the general response would be that we would all join in prayer with you.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

Oscarr said:
I know of parents of a sick child who refused medical treatment and maintained, "We are trusting God to heal our child". The child died of the preventable condition when medical intervention would have brought the child back to health. The parents were charged with failing to provide the necessities of life, directly causing the death of the child. It was in the newspapers, and it caused the unsaved community to ridicule the Christian faith.

I believe that when those parents face the Lord in person, He will ask them, "Who told you to do that? Why did you not use the resource available to you?"

First, you do realize that the unsaved community ridicules the Christian faith for believing in God at all, right? For every instance where something like that happens, there are multiple stories where faith and prayer stopped what the medical community said was the inevitable outcome and resulted in something that the medical community said wouldn't happen--even complete recovery. Curry Blake is one such story.

Here is the problem I have: If something doesn't happen the way God's Word says it should, then you are right there to condemn the party who is trusting God's Word over the masses who don't even believe God exists? Doesn't that put you in bed with the scoffers rather than the believers?

I understand you trust medical science more than you trust God, but not everyone wants to live a life of minimal faith. And, a good chunk of professing Christians would go to the doctor before they went for believing prayer. I do understand that doesn't mesh with how the world thinks, so going too far in the trusting God category can certainly get you in trouble with the law.

You think God will chastise the parents. God knows all the details, you don't. Maybe there are more details that would make it clear what really happened there. And, maybe God will chastise them. But, maybe He won't.

But, He may just disown those people who live like the world, and by the world's rules, while calling themselves Christians.

What about those who have to stand and watch their family get killed because they won't deny Jesus--the Word of God made flesh? They could take the natural way out, too, and just deny Him to save their loved one. Would you advise them to deny Jesus for the same reason? They are losing their kids over their faithful stand on the Word of God.

I feel sad for the child and sad for the family. I remember thinking that was crazy; but I would have also been classified as an unbeliever by real believers back then.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

Tree of Life said:
@Johnny4ChristJesus Did you know that Jesus had one of his prayers turned down? Do you think this was also because of a lack of faith?

"Let this cup pass from me..."

I think we agree that this is more similar to Paul asking for something to be taken away until God gave Him the "no" answer. Jesus knew what He had to do, but He was human, too. Which of us wouldn't struggle with knowing how bad it was going to be. And which of us wouldn't be asking if there was an easier way at the 11th hour, in hopes that there was?

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
First, you do realize that the unsaved community ridicules the Christian faith for believing in God at all, right? For every instance where something like that happens, there are multiple stories where faith and prayer stopped what the medical community said was the inevitable outcome and resulted in something that the medical community said wouldn't happen--even complete recovery. Curry Blake is one such story.

Here is the problem I have: If something doesn't happen the way God's Word says it should, then you are right there to condemn the party who is trusting God's Word over the masses who don't even believe God exists? Doesn't that put you in bed with the scoffers rather than the believers?

I understand you trust medical science more than you trust God, but not everyone wants to live a life of minimal faith. And, a good chunk of professing Christians would go to the doctor before they went for believing prayer. I do understand that doesn't mesh with how the world thinks, so going too far in the trusting God category can certainly get you in trouble with the law.

You think God will chastise the parents. God knows all the details, you don't. Maybe there are more details that would make it clear what really happened there. And, maybe God will chastise them. But, maybe He won't.

But, He may just disown those people who live like the world, and by the world's rules, while calling themselves Christians.

What about those who have to stand and watch their family get killed because they won't deny Jesus--the Word of God made flesh? They could take the natural way out, too, and just deny Him to save their loved one. Would you advise them to deny Jesus for the same reason? They are losing their kids over their faithful stand on the Word of God.

I feel sad for the child and sad for the family. I remember thinking that was crazy; but I would have also been classified as an unbeliever by real believers back then.

Curry Blake's medical condition was incurable by medical science. Also, the healing miracles that Jesus did were for blind, lame and leprous people, conditions that the medical practitioners of the time could not cure.

It is also true that the most significant discoveries in medical science have been made by Christian believers, and that many diseases, disabilities, and medical conditions that were deemed incurable up to the mid 19th century were now treatable.

For your information, I have done extensive research in the area of divine healing, and have read all the significant authors who have studied and wrote about it. My research paper for my M.Div was "Divine Healing Then and Now", and it is a comprehensive study of the Scriptural basis, Historical experience, and current practices. Included was a section totally refuting the Cessationist view that healing ceased at the end of the Apostolic Age. I presented this to a non-Charismatic Bible College, who awarded my M.Div, and I achieved a 95% grade for the research paper.

Furthermore, I have been a fully continuist believer since 1966, and I certainly haven't been sitting on my couch dreaming in front of my TV for the last 53 years!

A Realist · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
So, you are saying that Jesus lied <snip>
You have just said you are an unbeliever.

Read closer and comprehend. I never said Jesus lied. I simply stated no one has the kind of faith/belief He talked about in those verses.

Don't attribute falsehoods to me just because you don't like what I'm saying. It makes you look like a really small person who must make others look bad to make himself feel good.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

FIRESTORM314 said:
Johnny - First - I admire your Faith.
Sometimes we have to look foolish for Christ and step out.

My Spiritual Warning bells went off in your approach....

MATTHEW 5:33
Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

I wouldn't have put a condition on the prayer.

Sin gives the Enemy a foothold - instead of becoming more empowered you get your armour Stripped big style. Pray about it first.

Okay, I appreciate what you are saying about making an oath. I didn't perceive it in that way. I didn't feel the Holy Spirit telling me I went wrong either. If I had, I would have repented. Since God knows the intentions of my heart, He knows I wasn't laying the guantlet down for Him. I was just announcing something I was sure of. So sure, that I agreed to never post on CF again, if I was wrong. I don't have a time limit on when it happens. Nor am I telling God what He has to do. He is the one who decreed it and He is the one who tells me what to do (as it should be).

It was more for those who don't believe in order that they would understand how serious I was that the man was going to be healed--way beyond the wishful thinking that many call prayer. But, I understand how it could be perceived as an oath.

Waiting until after the guy is healed doesn't require me to step out in faith. Because then, I am just a reporter of what has already manifest in the present. There's minimal egg on my face if it didn't happen, then. But, not anymore. I would go so far as to say that there are some people who call themselves Christians who are actually hoping that the guy isn't healed, so that they feel justified in their condemnation. That is the really sad state of the visible church.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

Oscarr said:
Curry Blake's medical condition was incurable by medical science. Also, the healing miracles that Jesus did were for blind, lame and leprous people, conditions that the medical practitioners of the time could not cure.

It is also true that the most significant discoveries in medical science have been made by Christian believers, and that many diseases, disabilities, and medical conditions that were deemed incurable up to the mid 19th century were now treatable.

For your information, I have done extensive research in the area of divine healing, and have read all the significant authors who have studied and wrote about it. My research paper for my M.Div was "Divine Healing Then and Now", and it is a comprehensive study of the Scriptural basis, Historical experience, and current practices. Included was a section totally refuting the Cessationist view that healing ceased at the end of the Apostolic Age. I presented this to a non-Charismatic Bible College, who awarded my M.Div, and I achieved a 95% grade for the research paper.

Furthermore, I have been a fully continuist believer since 1966, and I certainly haven't been sitting on my couch dreaming in front of my TV for the last 53 years!

I don't dispute what you said here. I have disputed some of the other things you have said--or maybe the way you said them.

I think each person has to make their own decision and will be held accountable by God for it. But, I don't think God is looking at the natural outcome when He is judging their actions. He is looking at the heart. Neither you nor I know what was in the couple's heart. To blast them for making their decision differently than you would make yours, while it is certainly in concert with the mass opinion of today, isn't necessarily in line with God's heart.

After Curry Blake lost his first child trusting medicine, he decided that he wasn't going to lose another one trusting man. That is his choice and could certainly land him in jail if God doesn't have his back. But his decision has paid dividends, since when he "naturally" should have lost his second daughter (which I am sure you also know about) when she fell out of a second story window, he not only didn't lose her, but she was supernaturally healed.

I have certainly used doctors in the past. I would never condemn someone for making the choice to go to a doctor. We all have to be ready to answer to God for the choices we make and the words we speak.

But, should doctors be the first thing a God-fearing Christian run to when something goes wrong or should God be the first Person we run to when something goes wrong? Should we medicate ourselves or get ourselves surgically-fixed in lieu of God healing us and then come to God when something goes seriously wrong or when that group tells us they can no longer help us? Why do you think God would want to replace what He does for people (and what He did for people) with medical science?

Bruce Leiter · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
I am issuing this bold prediction at a cost, because I believe what God said so strongly that it has to cost me something if I am wrong. Though I love this forum (as one could see from my number of posts over time), I am so sure that God heals that I won't ever post again--after Wednesday at approximately 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) when my over-the-phone ministering begins--unless the man from this community that I am ministering healing to is healed in the present time.

I have read posts from people who say that nothing ever changes and nobody's opinion changes, and they don't feel that being a part of this forum adds any value. Maybe uninspired talking and uninspired wisdom doesn't add value and maybe that is because God never intended us to use carnal weapons against the spiritual forces that are behind false doctrine, according to God's Word as found in The Bible. Maybe human bantering with human wisdom doesn't add value. But, when God does something supernatural--like what Jesus said in Mar 16:15-18 to validate the Word preached, that has always changed things. Well, I believe He already has done something for us. And, as an Ambassador in Christ, I am going to prove it.

Even if the person being prayed for never posts, for privacy reasons, healing would be value to the person who receives it and to those who know them. Healing would be a sign to unbelievers who know this individual in his local community and those he is closer with online (whom he might have shared with online). If the person does post, he has the credentials to validate his healing.

While I don't have the permission of the party to post his name, he will know whether or not he is genuinely healed. His wife will know whether he is genuinely healed. And, God will know. Since he is a member of this community, he and God will both know if he isn't healed and if I post again after the scheduled prayer time (Wednesday at 1:30 EST) without his healing having manifested. Since, I have said that I would never post again until His healing comes to fruition in the present time, I would be lying and all three (including God) would know it. Since Revelation doesn't speak kindly of liars, I don't plan to willfully be one.

I would rather never post again on a community I love than willfully be a flat-out liar before God!

Again, I will begin praying for him on Wednesday afternoon over the phone. He lives in another state and has contacted me via private conversation (which will remain private, unless he chooses to share his testimony).

We will be praying specifically for ringing in the ears and hearing loss. I am believing that the ringing will stop and the hearing loss will cease. I am also believing that God is going to bring back the hearing that has been stolen by the enemy. Jesus was manifest to undo the works of satan. satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, but Jesus came to give life and life abundantly. Things don't just happen, we are in a war.

So mark my words, I am so sure that this member of this community will be healed--because of what God already did for us through the stripes, death on the Cross, burial and Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ--that I will never post again on this forum after Wednesday, 4/3/19 at 1:30 PM, until and unless this man's healing is genuinely manifested in the present time--(no silly stuff like claiming belief that he is healed while still suffering from it in the present--he doesn't believe in that either)! His healing will manifest or I will never post here again (which I am sure would please the multitude on this site who don't believe healing is for today anyway).

But, when I do post, you will have been told ahead of time of what was going to happen--while the individual was still suffering from something he has been suffering from for a long long time. GOD is much more GOOD than the multitude give Him credit for. Yay, God!

Serving In Christ Jesus,

John

I too believe in God's healing, but his answers to prayers are three: yes, no, and not yet. I have ringing in my ears too but without hearing loss. I have had three kinds of pain for 33 years, though God has healed me from 7 years of major depression for more than 32 years and my grief over physical pain for 2 decades. He also healed my daily migraines for 13 years now. I believe that he left my pain as my thorn in the flesh, like Paul, to keep me humbly dependent on him.

Finally, when we pray for someone's healing and they get sick and die instead, God will answer our prayers yes at the resurrection of all our bodies when Jesus returns. That event will be our final healing.

Bruce Leiter · Apr 2, 2019

I too believe in God's healing, but his answers to prayers are three: yes, no, and not yet. I have ringing in my ears too but without hearing loss. I have had three kinds of pain for 33 years, though God has healed me from 7 years of major depression for more than 32 years and my grief over physical pain for 2 decades. He also healed my daily migraines for 13 years now. I believe that he left my pain as my thorn in the flesh, like Paul, to keep me humbly dependent on him.

Finally, when we pray for someone's healing and they get sick and die instead, God will answer our prayers yes at the resurrection of all our bodies when Jesus returns. That event will be our final healing.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

NBB said:
I believe people have some sorts of obstacles in them, i don't know it may be lack of faith or something, or commitment etc, i don't know, because i really believe God wants to do more, i do really believe this, God wants to do a lot more than what its happening in today christians lives.

About putting sort of a limit in this, i don't see that helping, you can't move the hand of God with this kind of thing i guess.

What if God already moved. Then, because of His move--which is referred to as "The Mystery", we are expected to announce His decree to the principalities and powers (like He said) and that "by His stripes we were healed" not may be healed. The Bible says if believers lay hands on the sick, they will be healed. There are no obstacles mentioned, except for the doubt, disbelief or self-serving of the person doing the prayer.

God does want to do more; but can or will He move through the largely unbelieving group of believers that don't think He heals today? No. The Bible says so much about the importance of faith. James says we shouldn't expect to get anything if we doubt. So maybe the block isn't with God, maybe it is with man.

Again, God knows my heart. I wasn't trying to manipulate God or put some arbitrary time demand on Him. I don't even think I gave a time limit. I was simply saying that until the healing is done, I won't post on CF. And, I was saying that to demonstrate that I believe that strongly that God will keep His Word--which I unquestionably believe demonstrates His will for us to be healed in all situations--even when we don't see it.

Ken C. · Apr 2, 2019

A Realist said:
Read closer and comprehend. I never said Jesus lied. I simply stated no one has the kind of faith/belief He talked about in those verses.

Don't attribute falsehoods to me just because you don't like what I'm saying. It makes you look like a really small person who must make others look bad to make himself feel good.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Each of us who have been born again has that faith and it is more than enough. Notice also that Paul didn't say by faith in the Son of God but the faith of the Son of God. That is what Johnny is operating in, the faith of the Son of God.

ChicanaRose · Apr 2, 2019

Okay, if that is what you really believe God is calling you to do, more power to you. We could all use prayers so I have no reason to object. It doesn't seem like you just signed up here and randomly posted this. You have many posts before this but waited for this until the right timing, so I am inclined to think you are sincere.

So is this limited to physical healing? I would like a relational healing with a Christian sister.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 2, 2019

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
I don't dispute what you said here. I have disputed some of the other things you have said--or maybe the way you said them.

I think each person has to make their own decision and will be held accountable by God for it. But, I don't think God is looking at the natural outcome when He is judging their actions. He is looking at the heart. Neither you nor I know what was in the couple's heart. To blast them for making their decision differently than you would make yours, while it is certainly in concert with the mass opinion of today, isn't necessarily in line with God's heart.

After Curry Blake lost his first child trusting medicine, he decided that he wasn't going to lose another one trusting man. That is his choice and could certainly land him in jail if God doesn't have his back. But his decision has paid dividends, since when he "naturally" should have lost his second daughter (which I am sure you also know about) when she fell out of a second story window, he not only didn't lose her, but she was supernaturally healed.

I have certainly used doctors in the past. I would never condemn someone for making the choice to go to a doctor. We all have to be ready to answer to God for the choices we make and the words we speak.

But, should doctors be the first thing a God-fearing Christian run to when something goes wrong or should God be the first Person we run to when something goes wrong? Should we medicate ourselves or get ourselves surgically-fixed in lieu of God healing us and then come to God when something goes seriously wrong or when that group tells us they can no longer help us? Why do you think God would want to replace what He does for people (and what He did for people) with medical science?

I think that the Holy Spirit heals when He decides to heal, not when we decide. We can quote Scriptures until the cows come home; we can "name and claim" all we wish, but until the Holy Spirit decides that He has good enough to reason to bring miraculous healing, then there is no other option but to wait on God.

We don't control God in the same way that the clay cannot control the potter. See Isaiah 45:11:
"This is what the LORD says--the Holy One of Israel and your Creator: "Do you question what I do for my children? Do you give me orders about the work of my hands?"

We can ask God to heal a person as we spend time with Him in private intercession for him: "Everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests to God, and the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:6). As part of that, we ask the Lord if He wants us to be involved in ministry to the sick person. He will tell us either way. If the Holy Spirit says no, we have to accept that, and not go forward and try to minister the healing because nothing will happen, and the Holy Spirit will be grieved and quenched because of our disobedience. If He says yes, then we ask how He wants to use us and what are we to do. He will then give the necessary instructions which we need to follow exactly.

The trouble is that many just rush in without personal intercession first, or waiting on God for the Spirit to instruct us. They rush forward and lay hands on sick people and wonder why nothing happens.

After doing the research on healing I asked the Lord, "What do you want me to do about it?" He said, "Minister to healing to anyone who comes across your path and the opportunity opens for you." I asked, "What if nothing happens?" He said, "That doesn't matter. The results are not yours to achieve. All you have to do is to be obedient when the opportunity is there." So I have done that, and I have never been refused when I have offered to take a person by the wrist and commanded healing for them. In fact, a fellow gym member who injured herself and was walking on two crutches, said, "Thank you for the blessing!" The next week she walked in with just one crutch, and said to me, "See? I'm walking on just one crutch now!" That gym member was not a Christian. I commanded healing for my work team leader and the arthritis in her knee disappeared much to the puzzlement of the doctor, and when she said it in a staff meeting, a Christian workmate said in a loud voice, "That was after Paul prayed for it!" That was a wonderful testimony for all the staff present.

So, obedience is the key, and sometimes healing happens and sometimes it doesn't, but for every person I have ministered to, they have been very thankful that I have cared enough to want to assist in this way.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

Bruce Leiter said:
I too believe in God's healing, but his answers to prayers are three: yes, no, and not yet. I have ringing in my ears too but without hearing loss. I have had three kinds of pain for 33 years, though God has healed me from 7 years of major depression for more than 32 years and my grief over physical pain for 2 decades. He also healed my daily migraines for 13 years now. I believe that he left my pain as my thorn in the flesh, like Paul, to keep me humbly dependent on him.

Finally, when we pray for someone's healing and they get sick and die instead, God will answer our prayers yes at the resurrection of all our bodies when Jesus returns. That event will be our final healing.

I am glad to hear of all your healing.

I understand the visible church has taught those three answers. And for a long time I just believed that. But, Scripture doesn't teach that. Scripture teaches compassion, faith, and persistence. Scripture teaches that all who came to Jesus were healed--there was never a lasting answer of "no" or "not yet", if they persisted. He told us that true believers will lay hands on the sick and they will recover--not may recover, but will recover. it is never explained that it wasn't His will for someone to be healed. There is no record of Paul getting prayed for regarding the "thorn in the flesh". The only record we have is that he petitioned God until he felt that God answered him in a way that he understood to mean that it wouldn't be taken away. But, didn't Paul also give a specific reason why that was allowed to continue?

ChicanaRose · Apr 2, 2019

ok, so that's tomorrow, Wednesday 4/3 1:30pm EST, so that's
11:30am Central
and
10:30am Pacific
right?
I think prayer is a wonderful ministry of its own but there is no reason for you to leave CF. Because your prayer may start the healing but the physical evidence may not be manifested until days, weeks, or months later. So don't be so quick to leave CF please.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
Okay, if that is what you really believe God is calling you to do, more power to you. We could all use prayers so I have no reason to object. It doesn't seem like you just signed up here and randomly posted this. You have many posts before this but waited for this until the right timing, so I am inclined to think you are sincere.

So is this limited to physical healing? I would like a relational healing with a Christian sister.

I am sure that is possible. The area I am familiar with is personal healing more than people-to-people relationship healing.

Johnny4ChristJesus · Apr 2, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
ok, so that's tomorrow, Wednesday 4/3 1:30pm EST, so that's
11:30am Central
and
10:30am Pacific
right?
I think prayer is a wonderful ministry of its own but there is no reason for you to leave CF. Because your prayer may start the healing but the physical evidence may not be manifested until days, weeks, or months later. So don't be so quick to leave CF please.

Honestly, I don't even see it as ministry. I just see it as lifestyle, because I am treating others how I would want to be treated if our situations were to be supernaturally switched. If I was the one who had to struggle with an issue, and someone had the faith, knowledge or whatever you want to call standing on God's Word to see me get healed and I didn't, I would want them to fight for me. So, I do that. If my finances were such that I could be used to free others from debt, I would. If my housing situation was such that I could open my house to people who don't have a home, I would do so. All that, not because I'm something special, but just because of the compassion and that general rule that if the situation were reversed, would I want the help.

I believe this man, who has struggled with this since the Vietnam war, is going to be healed. I don't expect to be leaving CF. I even promised I would be reading the naysayers posts, I just can't write anything until the healing has manifested. I didn't say what I said to give me reason to get off CF. I simply felt led to take a step further than I have before and pre-announce instead of only announcing a healing after it manifested. To do that, I had to personally take an additional step of faith. Nothing changed for God.

LisaluvsGod · Apr 2, 2019

Glory be to God!!! I hope that everyone is having a very blessed evening. What I got out of what the OP wrote was that he has so much faith in God that God is going manifest healing in his forum friend, that he said he won't post again until it comes to fruition because He trusts God, and knows God is going to bring it to pass. That was just my perception of the OP. Either way I'm touching, and agreeing with everyone for healing for the person. I pray everyone has a blessed night!

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