Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

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And, how are you demonstrating what you are saying I'm not? I believe that agreeing with what God says, even when I don't feel comfortable with it, is humility. Agreeing with man over God's Word is not humility, contrary to what is often claimed.

Johnny - First - I admire your Faith.
Sometimes we have to look foolish for Christ and step out.

My Spiritual Warning bells went off in your approach....

MATTHEW 5:33
Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

I wouldn't have put a condition on the prayer.

Sin gives the Enemy a foothold - instead of becoming more empowered you get your armour Stripped big style. Pray about it first.
 
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What I said is what God said. I didn't deviate. Where, in the New Testament, does God give another reason for failed prayer--other than unbelief, doubt, and selfish requests?

Now, I certainly wouldn't say that to them in the moment. That wouldn't help them, nor would it help me while I was grieving such a terrible and sad loss. Love doesn't use that for a teaching moment. But, if they had another child who got cancer and I was aware of their previous loss, you can bet compassion would stir me to do everything I could to keep it from happening to them again--just like I would want someone to do for me.

Wow, thank you for clarifying. I am speechless and out of this thread, reply if you desire - but it will be left unread. This twisted theology is only going to get people hurt.
 
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What I said is what God said.

I'll tell you what...when I see you tell a mountain to throw itself into the sea...and it does just that....I'll believe all of your claimed healings. Until then, I won't.
 
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For the record, I'm not saying that God does not heal. I firmly believe He does; however, I believe true healings are under-the-radar and done in privacy (as Jesus stated). Not blasted out over the internet in forums, YouTube videos, and social media by those who were supposedly the "instrument" used for the healing.

And, I believe you are wrong. Based on what most of the church believes and teaches, I would have never even known that God could heal people through my touch or over the phone. I wouldn't have even considered it. I though all healing evangelists were frauds who wanted your money.

But, if it wasn't for someone who used to be a Baptist pastor before God started doing the supernatural through him, I would have never laid hands on anyone. If it wasn't for many along the way who God used to teach me, despite the persecution they suffered at the hands of people who claimed to be believers in Christ, I certainly wouldn't be praying and expecting like I do today.

As an introvert, I certainly didn't want to approach people in Walmart to pray for them, nor ruffle feathers in church by offering to pray for people. But, God wanted me to anyway. And, I only give my name when people ask and then as little as I can, because contrary to your charge, it isn't about me. It is about the One I work for and with.

Even the opportunities that I have had that opened the door for recent phone prayers are because I was willing to share what God had already done through phone prayers. When that person I spoke about gets healed, it will be because he read a post. Had I never posted online, he wouldn't even have this opportunity to be healed. And, he has had this condition for over 30 years, according to his testimony; so I doubt that he had other options banging down his door. And, most doctors would tell him that he is stuck with the ringing in his ears and hearing loss.

Jesus said "these signs would follow", so how do you suppose they serve as signs, if they are done in privacy and under-the-radar. People flocked to Jesus because of what He did. How is that "under the radar". Read Acts. How is that stuff under the radar? Peter walking by and they get healed in the street. God operating only under the radar? Really? That may sound humble, but it ain't Scripturally backed.

I have routinely refused to ask people to provide proof of healing for those on this community that wanted some proof to examine. This time, I felt led to state something before it happened, so when it happened, maybe it would help someone to know that if you just believe and don't doubt what God says, s/he, too, can watch it come to pass.

Certainly, there is time to grow involved. But, we should all be doing this. I'm not special. The problem is that most would rather cut down (so they can feel comfortable in their lack of experience) rather than rise up, because they aren't sure about what they really believe.
 
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I'll tell you what...when I see you tell a mountain to throw itself into the sea...and it does just that....I'll believe all of your claimed healings. Until then, I won't.

I know. But, you aren't my problem. You don't have to believe me. You don't have to believe what God said. But, for those who do, God gives some great promises.
 
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I'll tell you what...when I see you tell a mountain to throw itself into the sea...and it does just that....I'll believe all of your claimed healings. Until then, I won't.
Which sea would you like it thrown in? And have you thought of how the people on land would be affected by the tidal wave that would be the result of your test theory?

This is why most arent given these gifts....and it is sometimes forbidden to share it with others.

Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
 
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Wow, thank you for clarifying. I am speechless and out of this thread, reply if you desire - but it will be left unread. This twisted theology is only going to get people hurt.

Or, the twisted theology that doesn't believe what God said and did has and is already getting people hurt. I believe you already testified to that. God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge." What if more of the church actually believed what God said, so I wouldn't be accused of having twisted theology simply because I believe what He said? And, as a result, less people died untimely deaths and suffered all the way up until they died. And, as another additional result, less people had to suffer the unexpected loss of loved ones.

if 0 or 1 person out of 10 is getting healed, so that we don't even pray believing in normal churches any more; and instead, have all sorts of man-made doctrines to explain the lack of the Divine healing, and you don't see anything wrong with that, I don't know how to help you.
 
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I have posted what I can at this time. I hope it helps someone. Please don't let others shut you down. God needs more people who are willing to die to self and do what He says in Scripture, regardless of what others say.
 
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I know that it is true that God heals, and he WILL heal you every time you ask Him to. The issue lies in how we ask......Lord Teach us how to pray.....asked direct disciples of Jesus.... Yet we believe we know how simply by reading a book or two. We get so caught up in our own wisdom, that we would rather say it wasnt God's will, or God just doesnt heal everyone, than to turn to ourselves and ask..."Teach me how to pray"

The Word says to believe you received when you pray........So if we expect something to be done in the future, or after we finish speaking words......we are already not following instructions given by the Master.... Yet when we fail.....it is something outside of ourselves that caused the delay or failure.

I say continue to seek the way until it is found. And when we fail......Ask God to teach us how to do it better....
 
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Which sea would you like it thrown in? And have you thought of how the people on land would be affected by the tidal wave that would be the result of your test theory?

This is why most arent given these gifts....and it is sometimes forbidden to share it with others.

Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
You've proved my point. Seems like Jesus wouldn't have said it if he actually expected anyone to be able to do it then, huh? I mean surely He didn't expect people to go around causing tidal waves.

The kind of faith/belief exemplified in Mark 11:22-24....which seems to be what some "think" they have....simply doesn't exist.
 
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Hi Johnny,
So few born again believers know the benefits of their salvation. That's the reason I left the denomination I grew up in. It was all about getting someone saved. There were zero emphases on anything else. Now being saved is wonderful but I was saved and stuck just waiting for death and then heaven. I wasn't being discipled. I didn't get the revelation of what you are saying till 50 yrs later and it changed my whole view of God and my relationship with Him. One of my favorite sayings is: believe and receive or doubt and do without.
May the Lord keep you and bless you.
 
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You've proved my point. Seems like Jesus wouldn't have said it if he actually expected anyone to be able to do it then, huh? I mean surely He didn't expect people to go around causing tidal waves.

The kind of faith/belief exemplified in Mark 11:22-24....which seems to be what some "think" they have....simply doesn't exist.
Quite the opposite. This faith does exists , but those who have it, feel no need to prove it by turning stones into bread.

This faith is given in measures based on what we are able to bear.......and for good reason. Had 100% been given to everyone from the start, We'd all be dead.....f'or the multitude of tidal waves that would hit us every time someone read Mark.....
 
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You've proved my point. Seems like Jesus wouldn't have said it if he actually expected anyone to be able to do it then, huh? I mean surely He didn't expect people to go around causing tidal waves.

The kind of faith/belief exemplified in Mark 11:22-24....which seems to be what some "think" they have....simply doesn't exist.

So, you are saying that Jesus lied. Because Jesus didn't have to say that. And, Jesus said that in response to Peter's shock that a fig tree withered and died, simply because Jesus told it that nobody would ever eat fruit from it again--which Peter considered cursing it.

So, if Jesus wasn't trying to teach something there, why did He say it? Why did the Holy Spirit inspire it to be in Scripture?

What you have just admitted is that you don't believe the Word of God. That explains the whole of your objections. You have just said you are an unbeliever.
 
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What I said is what God said. I didn't deviate. Where, in the New Testament, does God give another reason for failed prayer--other than unbelief, doubt, and selfish requests?

Now, I certainly wouldn't say that to them in the moment. That wouldn't help them, nor would it help me while I was grieving such a terrible and sad loss. Love doesn't use that for a teaching moment. But, if they had another child who got cancer and I was aware of their previous loss, you can bet compassion would stir me to do everything I could to keep it from happening to them again--just like I would want someone to do for me.
May the healing manifest in the name of Jesus. I agree with you and join in faith for the 'mystery brother' with hearing loss.
Your sincere intentions to see a brother healed may have been misunderstood perhaps, due to your word choice. However, I like your boldness and long for Christians who would rather be foolish or over-zealous like Peter than cower away.

That being said, if you have a gift of healing and believe God has called you to stand for the said-brother, cease with the arguments here and let the gift speak for itself. Humility calls for silence sometimes .

Shalom!
 
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I also am a skeptic in this matter. Does God heal? Yes, he does. Does he always do it on our time and to our particular request? No, absolutely not. What would you say to the family with a child in treatment for cancer that looses that child - in spite of their total commitment, unceasing prayers of theirs and everyone they know (and do not know)? This literally happened to someone I know, and it will shake your faith to the core. You can't treat God like a genie that if you just say the right words, just believe enough, then it will happen.
I know of parents of a sick child who refused medical treatment and maintained, "We are trusting God to heal our child". The child died of the preventable condition when medical intervention would have brought the child back to health. The parents were charged with failing to provide the necessities of life, directly causing the death of the child. It was in the newspapers, and it caused the unsaved community to ridicule the Christian faith.

I believe that when those parents face the Lord in person, He will ask them, "Who told you to do that? Why did you not use the resource available to you?"
 
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May the healing manifest in the name of Jesus. I agree with you and join in faith for the 'mystery brother' with hearing loss.
Your sincere intentions to see a brother healed may have been misunderstood perhaps, due to your word choice. However, I like your boldness and long for Christians who would rather be foolish or over-zealous like Peter than cower away.

That being said, if you have a gift of healing and believe God has called you to stand for the said-brother, cease with the arguments here and let the gift speak for itself. Humility calls for silence sometimes .

Shalom!

I understand what you are saying and thank you for your standing in agreement! I am sure the man receiving the prayer will appreciate that.

I'm just being obedient to what God told me to do. Sometimes, compassion requires entering into an argument that you know won't be won for the sake of those who will read what is written and have to make a choice long after it is over. I am not defending myself. I am simply standing for the Truth.

When I read Scripture, things got pretty heated for Peter, Paul, Stephen, and John over doctrinal issues as well. But, they didn't let that stop them from standing and verbally defending the Truth in hopes that those who are His will be woken up in the process--kind of like Saul who became Paul was.
 
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