Uh-Oh....Is Uncle Joe in trouble?

☦Marius☦ said:

Really? Then why are more Republicans caught? Surely the Republican party is doing a pretty good job ousting it's own scandals since the list is so large.

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It's almost always the case the the opposing party takes down perverts.

Shiloh Raven said:

Abortion is off-topic to the OP, but since the issue was brought up by another member, I thought I would comment on it. I think these articles and meme sum up the Republican pro-life movement.

A Republican theme on abortions: 'It's OK for me, evil for thee'

Do As I Say Not As I Do: The Truth About the Anti-Abortion Crowd

Republicans Are Against Abortions For Women Who Aren’t Their Mistresses

Catholic nun on ‘pro-life’ Republicans: ‘They’re not pro-life, they’re pro-birth’

And no surprise, that includes Donald Trump's flip-flopping on the abortion issue too.

Donald Trump's 3 positions on abortion in 3 hours

Trump 'asked Marla Maples to abort Tiffany' | Daily Mail

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days

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Oh I was arguing about what the Evangelicals believe, not necessarily what Trump believes. However now that he is the head of the GOP he can't exactly go pro choice without losing his support. So safe in that respect.

Personally my belief has always been that Trump was, is, and always will be a plant. He was so close to the Clinton's all those years and always had liberal beliefs until the election. It makes no sense unless you look at it as a ploy to make the GOP look bad to let Hillary win, but they just weren't expecting Trump to be so successful. Now that he is in power I'm not sure where his loyalties lie.

The Barbarian said:

It's almost always the case the the opposing party takes down perverts.

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Source or assumption? I'm not a partisan so don't think I'm trying to be inflammatory. I'm genuinely curious.

The Barbarian said:

I think it's more of a "clean your own house before you peek in the neighbor's windows" kind of thing.

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QFT.

The Barbarian said:

Let's take a look at that...

Athletes respond to Trump's usage of 'locker room talk'
MIAMI -- Udonis Haslem was leading some banter with Miami Heat teammates after practice Monday, the jokes and laughter helping everyone wind down after practice.

That's how he defines locker room talk.

Donald Trump's characterization of his caught-on-tape crude and sexually charged comments about women as "locker room talk" has raised the ire of plenty of athletes, the overwhelming majority saying that what goes on even in private doesn't match up to what the Republican presidential nominee said on the now-infamous leaked tape.

"I don't know what locker room he's been in," Haslem said. "No, I didn't appreciate it, to be completely honest. That's not our locker room talk. I don't know Trump very well at all, but I don't know who he's played for the last couple years to even say he's been in anybody's locker room and had those kind of conversations."

On the tape, recorded in 2005, Trump brags about kissing, grabbing women's genitals and trying to have sex with women other than his wife. "When you're a star, they let you do it," he bragged. "You can do anything."

"It didn't sound like any talk in any locker room that I've ever been in, so maybe it was just a phrase," Cleveland Browns wide receiver Andrew Hawkins said. "But it was wrong."

Athletes fired back en masse at Trump to send the message that they don't talk like he does. Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Brett Anderson , Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Chris Conley , Jamal Crawford of the Los Angeles Clippers and retired NFL players Donte Stallworth and Chris Kluwe all were among the first to speak out, and many have since followed.
Athletes respond to Trump's usage of 'locker room talk'

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Professional athletes are not going to jeopardize their careers by admitting that they use sexually degrading language about women and sex in the locker room.

I have been around long enough and have been in enough locker rooms to know what happens. Just because you can find some people willing to lie, it doesn't make your case.

Well, that sounds like a testable claim...

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I am talking about the legitimate photos of him touching women, not groping them. I never said that there were no photoshopped pics. I am saying that the legitimate pics are not the product of photoshopping and the real photographic evidence shows that he has a history of inappropriate, uninvited touching.

parousia70 said:

Democrats will not in any way condone sexual harassment...

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parousia70 said:

Just look at how the Democrats responded to accusations against Rep. John Conyers and Sen. Al Franken.

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Conyers statement on the issue:

"I expressly and vehemently denied the allegations made against me, and continue to do so," he said in a statement. "My office resolved the allegations — with an express denial of liability — in order to save all involved from the rigors of protracted litigation."

Gee, what do you know, Conyers settled with the accuser out of court and attempted to keep it all quiet. Where were/are the Democrat demands for a Special Counsel investigation? Where is Michael Avenatti? Oh, right, arrested.

In addition Conyers retired. He was never held to account.

Franken was sacrificed on the altar of the attempted coup against President Trump. At the time it was thought removing Franken from office would serve to further the attempt to remove Trump. The difference is, again, Franken actually committed sexual harassment while Trump simply spoke to what some women in the presence of fame would allow themselves to be subjected to. And Biden, of all people, is proving him correct.

parousia70 said:

Donald Trump has previously bragged about molesting women...

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Regardless of how many times you guys make this claim, it still isn't true.

parousia70 said:

...yet gets no public condemnation from the GOP.

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And neither is this.

parousia70 said:

Brett Kavanaugh accused of Attempted Rape and Republicans Double down on him...

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In regard to every charge leveled against Kavanaugh not one single article of evidence existed to prove any of it. No evidence existed at the time the charges were made, and no evidence exist now. Contrary to the trope leftist want to promote, the claim an act took place is not evidence the act ever took place.

parousia70 said:

Roy Moore, who has been accused of sexual harassment, if not overt pedophilia, was totally endorsed in his run for the Senate by Trump and the GOP.

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And where is Roy Moore today?

parousia70 said:

Democrats seem to care about accusations of sexual harassment against anyone, even their own. Republicans only seem to care about accusations against Democrats.

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The "Me Too" movement is a weapon, not a resolution.

The Barbarian said:

I think a lot of decent evangelicals are disturbed and angered by the cynicism and hypocrisy of those guys. The blue wave was partially made possible by a six percent drop in evangelicals voting for republicans.
The GOP can’t rely on white evangelicals forever

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Thanks for the article. I addressed his evangelical supporters in another post yesterday. I thought I would post the link to my other post instead of re-posting everything I wrote in it. Here's the link.

parousia70 said:

Sorry...when I quoted you saying "Nothing was Photoshopped, Nothing was faked" I thought you were actually claiming nothing about Biden Touching people inappropriately had been faked or photoshopped.
My bad. I should have recognized you were cherrypicking.

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I am not cherry picking. Most of the photoshopped pics have been long debunked. I am talking about Biden's well known history of uninvited, inappropriate touching.

Justified112 said:

It's not about personal destruction. It is about the double standards that the Democrats operate under when it's one of their own under the shadow of these kinds of allegations.

I know for a fact that if, in any other context, a regular guy at a secular job touched his female coworkers like Biden touches women without their permission, it would be considered sexual harassment in the work place. No regular guy would EVER get away with that. You don't touch women in making such advances, even if your intentions are harmless. It is not done and most places have rules in place against such activity. It is just that this is Obama's former VP and he gets a pass on something that would get most people fired and potentially sued.

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However much the vile and destructive political correctness madness has taken over the workplace, Joe Biden is not from that world. I prefer not to judge on the basis of political correctness because I think it is one of worst things to be imposed as a sociopolitical weapon in our modern society. I judge on who a person is and whether he or she intends and/or does good or does harm.

I do not believe Joe intends anything but good natured nonsexual affection. And I suspect anybody who knows him knows that.

The Barbarian said:

I think it's more of a "clean your own house before you peek in the neighbor's windows" kind of thing.

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Shiloh Raven said:

QFT.

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Then shouldn't you stop criticizing Republicans when we have corruption within our own party?

☦Marius☦ said:

Well I guess we will see where the investigation goes and see if it proves he has done it along with anything else. So far no charges for impeachment have been brought up, and we well know they will be as soon as evidence exists.

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I think Pelosi is playing Trump correctly as she has since she took control of the House. Impeachment at this point would merely incite more division and disruption. Better to let things play out; having taken his signature objective from him, she's in no hurry to start an impeachment.

☦Marius☦ said:

So far no charges for impeachment have been brought up, and we well know they will be as soon as evidence exists.

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At that point, there will have to be. I suspect you agree.

The Barbarian said:

I think Pelosi is playing Trump correctly as she has since she took control of the House. Impeachment at this point would merely incite more division and disruption. Better to let things play out; having taken his signature objective from him, she's in no hurry to start an impeachment.

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Didn't the house race completely center around the fact that if the democrats won they would do all they could to impeach Trump?

☦Marius☦ said:

Didn't the house race completely center around the fact that if the democrats won they would do all they could to impeach Trump?

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Show us that. Since most democrats didn't run on that platform, and since the House leadership hasn't called for it, I suppose not. And since 47 percent of Americans don't think impeachment is called for at this time, I would suppose the democrats will not impeach him at this time.

The Barbarian said:

Show us that. Since most democrats didn't run on that platform, and since the House leadership hasn't called for it, I suppose not. And since 47 percent of Americans don't think impeachment is called for at this time, I would suppose the democrats will not impeach him at this time.

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Well I know Cory Booker talked about it, as well as Pelosi. I am of course talking about the house and senate race. Did you somehow miss the campaigns discussing why the race was so important? You say 47% of Americans, but what percentage of Democrats?

parousia70 said:

At that point, there will have to be. I suspect you agree.

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Of course. I just believe in due process, and am skeptical of the radical left wing that has arisen in our party. I can't really believe anything the mainstream media says anymore so forgive me for being utterly skeptical of EVERYthing except solid evidence instead of "he said she said"

☦Marius☦ said:

Well I know Cory Booker talked about it, as well as Pelosi.

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Since Pelosi said it wasn't something we should do now, doesn't sound like Cory has a lot of support for it.

I am of course talking about the house and senate race. Did you somehow miss the campaigns discussing why the race was so important?

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Mostly, it had to do with keeping Trump under control, so he wouldn't go off on another disaster.

You say 47% of Americans, but what percentage of Democrats?

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Don't know, but I suppose about 2/3 or better. Last time I looked, about 40 percent of independents wanted him removed. If that crosses 50 percent, I think we'll see mounting pressure on Pelosi to get it underway.

The Barbarian said:

That's not what I said. I said their double standard led them to hyperventilate over a kiss on someone's head, while they were excusing sexual assault by one of their own.

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When it comes to sexual assault, in the real world, if a man walked up to a female coworker on the job and started sniffing her hair and kissing her on back of the head uninvited, he would be accused and probably fired and sued for sexual misconduct. What Biden did would be considered sexual harassment in any other context.

Justified112 said:

When it comes to sexual assault, in the real world, if a man walked up to a female coworker on the job and started sniffing her hair and kissing her on back of the head uninvited, he would be accused and probably fired and sued for sexual misconduct.

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Probably not. But the key is that no one else who was there has confirmed it happened. And sexual assault of the sort Trump did (he admitted it, and some of the women he assaulted, confirmed what he said) is another thing entirely. That's why people are pointing out the hypocrisy of those who are wound up over an unsupported claim, while giving Trump a pass on his verified sexual assaults.

Justified112 said:

There is absolutely no evidence that he ever sexually assaulted any women.

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He bragged about getting away with sexual assault. And some of the women he assaulted, have confirmed his story. No point in denying the fact.

Those charges are brought up years and even decades after the fact.

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And yet, you're completely discombobulated about an unsupported claim that supposedly happened ten years ago. Again, we're commenting on the hypocrisy. Your double standard is showing.

And they conveniently show up just a couple of weeks before the general election in 2016.[/quote]

It was Trump himself who brought them up. One can hardly blame the women he assaulted, when they confirmed his story.

NO ONE had a problem with Trump until he ran for president.

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NO ONE had a problem with Biden until it appeared that he'd run for president. Again, the issue is the hypocrisy.

None of these allegations show up in the decades prior to his campaign.

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And there's that double standard, again.

There is a pattern that has emerged wherein conservative candidates are attacked by trotting out multiple women who claim that they were raped or assaulted by that candidate.

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Remember, it was Trump who first brought his sexual assaults to the news. And the guys who were giving Trump a pass on his verified sexual assaults, are now hyperventilating about an unverified claim about a democrat. That's the pattern, and it's not new. The guys who were purple in outrage over Bill Clinton having an adulterous relationship, are the same guys who now give Trump a pass for having over a dozen of them.

We're just discussing the hypocrisy.