Tradition of men

W2L said:

Scripture alone does give me the commands and teaching of the Lord and His apostles. I need nothing more.

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There is nowhere in Sacred Scripture where it says Sacred Scipture alone is sufficient. That's your choice. But if I invite you to a banquet, and you choose to only eat the rice, that's on you. In that case, stumbling is refusing to accept the entire teaching of Christ. The best example I know of Scriptural teaching that you refuse is the literal meaning of John 6.

W2L said:

Was the weaker brother in 1 Corinthians 8:13 refusing to see it the right way?

1 Corinthians 8:13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

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Probably, considering that Jesus Himself said that nothing you put into you will defile you. But let's say I invite you out to eat raw oysters with me, and you say yuck, no that's gross. If we still go to that restaurant, and there are other choices on the menu, I can still eat my oysters while allowing you to eat what pleases you.

Tone said:

1 Corinthians 8:11
"For through thy knowledge he that is weak perisheth, the brother for whose sake Christ died."

Yeah you can...you can lay your knowledge aside and Iay your tradition (rights or even life) down for me.

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Never, when I know they come from Christ Himself. If I set Christ's teaching aside for you, I'm the one damned.

Root of Jesse said:

There is nowhere in Sacred Scripture where it says Sacred Scipture alone is sufficient. That's your choice. But if I invite you to a banquet, and you choose to only eat the rice, that's on you. In that case, stumbling is refusing to accept the entire teaching of Christ. The best example I know of Scriptural teaching that you refuse is the literal meaning of John 6.

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Its my choice to follow yes. His sheep know His voice. Have a blessed day.

Root of Jesse said:

Probably, considering that Jesus Himself said that nothing you put into you will defile you. But let's say I invite you out to eat raw oysters with me, and you say yuck, no that's gross. If we still go to that restaurant, and there are other choices on the menu, I can still eat my oysters while allowing you to eat what pleases you.

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Still though, paul said its a sin against Christ to cause them to stumble (1 Corinthians 8:12) and also said its not love either. (Romans 14:15) Thats all i have to say. Have a blessed day

Root of Jesse said:

Never, when I know they come from Christ Himself. If I set Christ's teaching aside for you, I'm the one damned.

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Well, that's your choice...to come to the table...and be creedy...

God is what we must derive our tradition from and the Bible is the record of divine revelation. While the individual should know why & how to live by faith, we need a priesthood to minister to us ( Ezekiel 3, John 20:19-23 etc.) & we must appeal to the Good Shepherd when corruption sets in ( Ezekiel 34, John 10 etc.).

The thing is it is all of holy tradition that keeps us intact although tensions are ongoing ( John 16:33). What do we do for ex. if the world confronts us on abortion?
I believe the Bible is implicitly pro life but a “pro-choice” secularist can twist it against you. For ex.
What Does the Bible Really Say About Abortion? - Freedom From Religion Foundation

Will they say it does not appear abortion was settled in your early Christian wonderland? They will say the God of the Old Testament actually committed it!

We need the Bible & the rest of early Holy tradition to counter the worldly mindset.


https://earlychurchhistory.org/medicine/ancient-roman-abortions-christians/.

W2L said:

Its my choice to follow yes. His sheep know His voice. Have a blessed day.

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Yes, His sheep know that Sacred Scripture is not the only Word of God. They know:
In ancient times, God spoke to man through prophets and in various ways
And now He speaks through Christ, His Son, His Radiance through eternal days.

W2L said:

Still though, paul said its a sin against Christ to cause them to stumble (1 Corinthians 8:12) and also said its not love either. (Romans 14:15) Thats all i have to say. Have a blessed day

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How would I 'cause you to stumble' if I invite you to eat something? It would be different if I offered a drink to an alcoholic, if I knew he was such. Love is teaching the Truth, unfettered and undiluted.

Tone said:

Well, that's your choice...to come to the table...and be creedy...

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Is that a pun, or a misspelling?

W2L said:

Btw, if both RCC and EO have the apostles authority, why are they not in agreement?

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We are, very much, more than with Protestants.

W2L said:

That doesnt sound apostle like to me.

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How would you know what 'apostle-like' or 'prayer-like' 'sounds' like? What you're espousing is your own opinion, which makes you your own pope. An earlier poster said that one of the bones of contention between EO and Catholic is the pope claiming a type of sovereignty, and I agree with this. Many popes in the Middle Ages tried to exact that claim. We believe what they meant was a concern for souls, but what they projected was like other kings and monarchs. The pope was never a monarch, in the earthly sense. They were to be a spiritual authority, though. The pope today is just such an example. He spouts off on lots of things that have nothing to do with spirituality. And thus, he turns off lots of Catholics, and others.

Tone said:

Another example of tradition dividing the body.

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Human tradition does divide the body, as Christ said it would. Sacred Tradition does otherwise, even if you don't see it.

W2L said:

Its suppose to ask for Gods help. How is that writing asking God for anything?

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I thought you guys thought prayer was worship? Now you say it's asking for God's help. There are lots of types of prayer, see the Psalms for some examples. There are prayers of praise, prayers of intercession, prayers for deliverance, to name several.

Specifically, a prayer is a conversation with God. If all you do is ask God for something, you're saying God is an ATM machine.

W2L said:

Why because i dont belong to EO or pray to dead saints?

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There's no such thing as a 'dead saint'. That's an oxymoron.

Tone said:

Which one am I a member or follower of?

*Hint: none.

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That's a denomination, in and of itself.

Root of Jesse said:

Is that a pun, or a misspelling?

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Pun...pretty good, huh? Ha ha.

Root of Jesse said:

That's a denomination, in and of itself.

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Which one?

Tone said:

Which one?

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the one you belong to. Set apart from all others. Christ prayed that we would all be one.

W2L said:

Btw, if both RCC and EO have the apostles authority, why are they not in agreement?

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I could also ask: why are most Bible Aloners divided in doctrines; sometimes, in one of the most central teachings of Christianity? I mean, some of them don't even believe in the Trinity.