claninja
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Both of these scriptures cite a future time when God will dwell with man, prophesying Revelation 21:1-7
"are" is present tense. It is not "ye will be the temple of the living God" , it is "ye ARE the temple of the living God".
2 Corinthians 6:16 for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Not yet, but soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath has removed all the evil neighbors, including the apostate Jews. Jeremiah 12:14, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17
Romans 9:24-27 states perfectly clear facts: it will be in the holy Land, where we Christians will be told: You are the sons of the Living God.
Jewish Israel will be gone; only a remnant will survive.
"we are" is present tense. "we ARE the children of God".
Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Notice Paul wrote to "all those in Rome who are loved by God".
Romans 1:7 To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
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"you are" is present tense. "you ARE all sons of God".
Galatians 3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Notice Paul wrote to "the churches of Galatia".
Galatians 1:1-2 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2and all the brothersa who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
Those who lived in Rome and Galatia were already called sons of God in the 1st century, so I disagree with your assertion that Gentiles have to wait to move to the land of Israel before they can become sons of God.
Romans 9:24-27 states perfectly clear facts: it will be in the holy Land, where we Christians will be told: You are the sons of the Living God.
Jewish Israel will be gone; only a remnant will survive.
Where did God state "you are not my people"? what was the location? Well, since it was prophesied by Hosea, it was most likely somewhere in the northern kingdom. However, the exact location is never explicitly given.
Romans 9:26 And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Peter received a vision in Joppa (northern Kingdom of Israel) that gentiles were clean
Acts 10:5 Now send men to Joppa to call for a man named Simon who is called Peter. He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.”
The Spirit, who testifies that we are the children of God, came to the gentiles in Caesarea (northern kingdom of Israel)
Acts 10:45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles
The gentiles were publically declared God's people in Jerusalem.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
**So I disagree with your assertion that gentiles are not yet sons of God and must wait until they have to move to Israel, because God declared the gentiles his people in Israel in the 1st century by giving them the spirit.
I now ask you to explain why you reject this scenario and to provide clear scriptures for whatever scenario that you believe in.
I reject the present earthly land of Israel has the eternal destination because none of the epistles mention that as the destination.
Paul states our citizenship is in heaven
philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus
Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Paul states are home from God that is eternal, is in the heavens.
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens
Paul was looking forward to the day he would brought into the heavenly kingdom.
2 Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom.
If Abraham was thinking of the Land of Ur, he could have returned home from the land of Israel, but he wasn't, he was looking for a heavenly country.
Hebrews 11:14 Now those who say such things show that they are seeking a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one.
David, who was king of Israel at its peak, even stated he was a foreigner and sojourner, thus showing that the physical land of Israel is not the eternal destination.
1 Chronicles 29:15 For we are foreigners and sojourners in Your presence, as were all our forefathers. Our days on earth are like a shadow, without hope.
Abraham, with his eyes, saw the land he would give his offspring (Jesus) forever.
Genesis 13:15 for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.
However, God also stated that NO EYE HAS SEEN what he has prepared fro those who love him.
1 Corinthians 2:9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
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