"Fit" man

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

From my own study of Scripture. Here is a study with my findings. If you think I am wrong, then show me how.

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
From my own study of Scripture. Here is a study with my findings. If you think I am wrong, then show me how.

Firstly, there are two goats described in vayikra 16. The one visionary is asking about in her op. Is the goat alloted to azazael. More specifically the fit man is asked about.

Perhaps you should read the account of Yeshua's trial at the praetorium once more.

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
Firstly, there are two goats described in vayikra 16. The one visionary is asking about in her op. Is the goat alloted to azazael. More specifically the fit man is asked about.

Perhaps you should read the account of Yeshua's trial at the praetorium once more.

Just get to the point please. Why am I wrong?

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
Just get to the point please. Why am I wrong?

Its the, "where you were wrong". That is important..

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
Its the, "where you were wrong". That is important..

Fine. Where am I wrong?

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
Fine. Where am I wrong?

When you claimed Yeshua is the scape-goat allotted to azazael.

Which is why I strongly suggested you revisit the account of the trial at the praetorium.
Did you read Matt 27;__?

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
When you claimed Yeshua is the scape-goat allotted to azazael.

Which is why I strongly suggested you revisit the account of the trial at the praetorium.
Did you read Matt 27;__?

Read it. Judas repented. What does that have to do with Yeshua being the second goat?

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
Read it. Judas repented. What does that have to do with Yeshua being the second goat?

Sin is measured by the hardness of a persons heart.

Perspectively, I personally do not know why you chose to ignore the .o.p.

A choice is given.
Keep reading 27. Till you find yourself at the mercy of the crowd alongside Yeshua at the praetorium.
From there it is your choice of what do. Look back and seek to know where the azazael goat is removed to as lots wife once mistakenly had done.
Or, boldly follow after Yeshua and take up your cross as a cup bearer.
Water into wine, back into water is enough of a lesson for today.

Blessings Always.

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
Sin is measured by the hardness of a persons heart.

Perspectively, I personally do not know why you chose to ignore the .o.p.

A choice is given.
Keep reading 27. Till you find yourself at the mercy of the crowd alongside Yeshua at the praetorium.
From there it is your choice of what do. Look back and seek to know where the azazael goat is removed to as lots wife once mistakenly had done.
Or, boldly follow after Yeshua and take up your cross as a cup bearer.
Water into wine, back into water is enough of a lesson for today.

Blessings Always.

I did not ignore the OP. I addressed it, but not to your satisfaction. You then questioned my belief in the fulfillment of the second goat. I gave you a link to my study. You gave no refutation to it. Instead, it seems you believe I am in sin because of the hardness of my heart. Then you give me flowery words with no interpretation and you expect me to learn a lesson?? Oy vey.

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
I did not ignore the OP. I addressed it, but not to your satisfaction. You then questioned my belief in the fulfillment of the second goat. I gave you a link to my study. You gave no refutation to it. Instead, it seems you believe I am in sin because of the hardness of my heart. Then you give me flowery words with no interpretation and you expect me to learn a lesson?? Oy vey.

You posted the link. The one that calls Judas the scapegoat. The title of the link was misleading.
So I asked you outright who is the scapegoat?
To which you answered?

Chive all you like.
This thread is about a place in time where clarity is offered.

Read verses 26_27 from the account Matt in parralel with vayikra 15_16.

Do this, then come with a response of whether or not you hear the bells of The High Preist.

Blessed be the Eternal Throne.

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
You posted the link. The one that calls Judas the scapegoat. The title of the link was misleading.
So I asked you outright who is the scapegoat?
To which you answered?

I never called Judas the scapegoat. Please copy and paste where I said that. The title of the link was "Yeshua being the fulfillment of the scapegoat".

pinacled · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
I never called Judas the scapegoat. Please copy and paste where I said that. The title of the link was "Yeshua being the fulfillment of the scapegoat".

No,
you and I have nothing more discuss..

Instead,
I suggest that you seek clarity and respect my sis visionary by following a focus on the o.p.

gadar perets · Mar 31, 2019

pinacled said:
No,
you and I have nothing more discuss..

Instead,
I suggest that you seek clarity and respect my sis visionary by following a focus on the o.p.

You accuse me of teaching that Judas is the scapegoat and now you have nothing to say?? Not even, "Sorry, I was mistaken"?

visionary · Mar 31, 2019

gadar perets said:
The symbolism is that he carried our sins away forever.

Symbolism of the scapegoat is that he never returns. That is what happens to Satan, when it is over, he does not ever return.

gadar perets · Apr 1, 2019

visionary said:
Symbolism of the scapegoat is that he never returns. That is what happens to Satan, when it is over, he does not ever return.

The symbolism of the scapegoat is that our sins never return. Satan cannot make an atonement because he is not unblemished. Also, Satan does return at the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-8) to continue his work of deceiving the nations. Did the scapegoat ever return to the camp of the saints only to be tormented for ever and ever (Revelation 20:10)?

visionary · Apr 1, 2019

gadar perets said:
The symbolism of the scapegoat is that our sins never return. Satan cannot make an atonement because he is not unblemished. Also, Satan does return at the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-8) to continue his work of deceiving the nations. Did the scapegoat ever return to the camp of the saints only to be tormented for ever and ever (Revelation 20:10)?

"One for Yehovah, and one for the scapegoat." Yeshua can not be both. He has never been for the scapegoat. As indicated in another part of scripture, Azazel, the chief of the Se’irim, or goat-demons, who haunts the desert, is the scapegoat. Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 record it as “goat-demons”.

Leviticus 16:8 tells that the Lord ordered his high priest, Aaron, to ‘place lots upon the two goats, one marked for the Lord and the other marked for Azazel’ on the Jewish Day of Atonement. The goat designated by lot for the Lord is to be used as a sin offering, while the goat designated for Azazel “shall be left standing alive before the Lord, to make expiation with it and to send it off to the wilderness for Azazel.”

Azazel is conceived of as a personal being, as lots were drawn for the Lord and for him. Sorry but any goat representing Azazel is not representing Yeshua. AZAZEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com

pinacled · Apr 1, 2019

visionary said:
"One for Yehovah, and one for the scapegoat." Yeshua can not be both. He has never been for the scapegoat. As indicated in another part of scripture, Azazel, the chief of the Se’irim, or goat-demons, who haunts the desert, is the scapegoat. Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 record it as “goat-demons”.

Leviticus 16:8 tells that the Lord ordered his high priest, Aaron, to ‘place lots upon the two goats, one marked for the Lord and the other marked for Azazel’ on the Jewish Day of Atonement. The goat designated by lot for the Lord is to be used as a sin offering, while the goat designated for Azazel “shall be left standing alive before the Lord, to make expiation with it and to send it off to the wilderness for Azazel.”

Azazel is conceived of as a personal being, as lots were drawn for the Lord and for him. Sorry but any goat representing Azazel is not representing Yeshua. AZAZEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Amen,
There is mention of these two fold sons of destruction by the prophets and Yeshua Himself. Yeshayahu speaks in The Name of the Lord about this in chapter 34 if recall correctly. Then there is also mention of the jackal and hyenna.

Excellent focus sis.

pinacled · Apr 1, 2019

11 Bible verses about Ostriches

pinacled · Apr 2, 2019

pinacled said:
11 Bible verses about Ostriches

Also called, and known as the 'leaven' of malice. Their feet boast of a murderous history and further boast of their leavening across the globe..

No need to name them.

Everyone including their leader has openly confessed taking the mark of the beast.

And they will be dealt with swiftly.

pinacled · Apr 4, 2019

I've often wondered if Yeshua ever revealed his lineage to the tzadik. Personally I see him as man amongst men.
If ever he did reveal his lineage, it was when he instructed his brothers to take care of His mother.
While on the cross I hear.

"I am the Lion of the tribe of yhdh".

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