What commandments is Jesus talking about?

Saint Steven said:

Yes. So you should understand. (but don't)
The Apostle begins by asking.
Why would you want to be under the law?

Galatians 4:21
Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

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Are you saying that I have expressed a desire to be under the law?

Saint Steven said:

You are completely missing the point. The Apostle says you have chosen the slave woman instead of the free woman.

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Are you equating Hagar with Torah? Hagar is not Torah.

Tone said:

Yes, because they don't believe. You are right, we are not under the Sinaitic covenant.

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Are you sure?

Exodus 34:28
Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

Tone said:

Are you saying that I have expressed a desire to be under the law?

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You are defending it tooth and nail. So yes, that certainly seems to be the case.

Tone said:

Why just visit, why not set the captives free as He did (and does)?

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You are free to leave the prison of law whenever you choose. The locks are not holding you there. Christ has broken the prison doors to set you free. Yet you remain.

Saint Steven said:

Are you sure?

Exodus 34:28
Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13
He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

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The Torah says much more before and after those verses.

Tone said:

Are you equating Hagar with Torah? Hagar is not Torah.

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In this passage she is. (figuratively)

Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

Saint Steven said:

You are defending it tooth and nail. So yes, that certainly seems to be the case.

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I am defending Torah, of which the Sinai covenant is a part.

Saint Steven said:

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

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The mosaic law has many additions that were not actual commandments of God. Like for example worshipping on the sabbath. Worshipping was never God’s commandment on the sabbath it was the Pharisees or Levites that instituted that idea. They also defined what work was considered on the sabbath which was not commanded by God. Like when the Pharisees rebuked Jesus’ disciples for picking grain on the sabbath. Jesus did not rebuke His disciples because it was not a commandment of God. There are many more examples of additions men made to the law that were not commandments of God. Obeying God’s commandments are necessary for salvation but obedience to the law is not always necessary. We are obligated to the purpose for which the laws were written not under the letter of the law. Of course the purpose for which the laws were written were to love and honor God and to love others. That has not changed. We are still obligated to do both as Christians but we are not obligated to follow the letter of the law which says things like you must worship on the sabbath or you cannot pick grain on the sabbath. Those were not the purpose that God’s commandments were intended. The sabbath was intended for us to rest in honor of God one day each week. Which day is not important. What is important is that we do honor Him.

Tone said:

The Torah says much more before and after those verses.

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Indeed. Have you chosen to be under the 613?

Saint Steven said:

In this passage she is. (figuratively)

Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

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Mount Sinai is only a part of Torah. Abraham, Sarah, and Isaac are also in Torah.

Oscarr said:

R.A.Torrey puts it quite well: It is the blood of Christ that takes away the guilt of sin; the Holy Spirit in us that takes away the power of sin; when Jesus comes again we will no longer be in the presence of sin.

Whether a believer is Calvinist with little power of choice, or an Arminian where it is all choice, the reality for a genuinely converted believer with either belief is that the last thing he or she wants to do is to continue in sin of any kind. He or she has been given a new heart and therefore their greatest desire is to honour Christ in all they do. This is what Christian conversion actually is.

The hypocrite will follow the commandments, not because it is in his heart to do, but either through fear of the consequences, going to hell, or for show and praise of others.

The genuine convert, because the guilt has been removed through the blood of Jesus, he has no fear of any consequences, nor of going to hell and he is no longer subject to the fear of praise of man. He loves God with all his heart, soul and strength, therefore the honour of Christ in the way he conducts himself is of paramount importance to him.

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Amen well said my friend!!

Tone said:

I am defending Torah, of which the Sinai covenant is a part.

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Having thus expressed a desire to be under the law. Thanks for proving my point.

Saint Steven said:

Indeed. Have you chosen to be under the 613?

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The Torah is from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

Tone said:

Mount Sinai is only a part of Torah. Abraham, Sarah, and Isaac are also in Torah.

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But they are outside of the Hagar and Sarah analogy. (in Galatians 4:21-31)

Hagar is a slave woman representing the law.
Sarah is a free woman representing those free from the law.

Galatians 4:30-31
But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Saint Steven said:

Having thus expressed a desire to be under the law. Thanks for proving my point.

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Have you ripped the Sinaitic Covenant out of your Bible?

Tone said:

The Torah is from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

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Did you make that up?

Torah
(in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).

Tone said:

Have you ripped the Sinaitic Covenant out of your Bible?

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No, I need it to refute you.

BNR32FAN said:

The mosaic law has many additions that were not actual commandments of God. Like for example worshipping on the sabbath. Worshipping was never God’s commandment on the sabbath it was the Pharisees or Levites that instituted that idea.

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Where is the "mosaic law" found?

Saint Steven said:

Having thus expressed a desire to be under the law. Thanks for proving my point.

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It didn't remain stagnant. Even the story of Hagar and Ishmael went on. Have you read more of the account?

Saint Steven said:

Did you make that up?

Torah
(in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).

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According to who...oh, unbelievers ...

Looks like this thread has become a two-horse race. I'll leave you to it.