What commandments is Jesus talking about?

ace of hearts said:

Essentially you're saying to me there's no Christianity.

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No I’m not saying that at all

ace of hearts said:

Sorry but I'm not converting.

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I’m not a Jew

ace of hearts said:

You're one and you ask me what they teach. Now that's a good one.

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I’m not a Messianic Jew. I’m more of a nondenominational who has a tendency to lean towards the Orthodox teachings.

BNR32FAN said:

Your referring to the Jews that didn’t understand Judaism and rejected their own foretold Messiah. There is also the Messianic Jews who actually believe and understand Judaism the correct way.

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Luke 2:21-32

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

No one has said that...that is your problem

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EXACTLY

ace of hearts said:

So the reality is the new covenant has nothing to do with the old covenant.

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Wow...

ace of hearts said:

Sorry. Judaism as practiced isn't Christianity. There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

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You are very confused.

ace of hearts said:

If they believed Moses they would have recognized their Messiah.

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I agree.

Luke 2:21-32

BABerean2 said:

if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise

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Yeah, I never said that we are sons because of the law. But, because we are sons, we see, accept, and use the life promoting principles of it. We have a relationship with Abba Who creates and sustains life and His Law is conducive to this:

Galatians 6:7
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

ace of hearts said:

Still nothing about verse 21.

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What do you want to point out about verse 21?

“"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”
‭‭MATTHEW‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Matthew 21:28-31
"But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you."

The father gave instruction (Torah) to two sons. The first said no, but later he repented (through belief) and did what the father asked. The son didn't repent and think, "Oh, now I see that my father asked me to do what was good for me, so I'll just recognize the goodness of my father in my heart, but I'll just go and do what I want to do anyways." No, this son came to the realization that, "Wow, my father loves me and everything he has instructed me to do is for my good. I trust my father and I will do as he says." Big difference in thought and action here.

Tone said:

Galatians 6:7
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

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Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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Tone said:

John 5:43-45
"I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?"

John 5:46
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

He spoke this to unbelievers. They only said they believed Moses, but they really didn't. Therefore, they were trusting in their carnal understanding of the Law, which led to the adding to and taking from it (leaven). Their hopes were set on the letter of the law so they couldn't see Who it to pointed to. There were others (such as Simeon Luke 2:25-32) who saw it properly.

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Law is law. You can't bend it to your will. It doesn't bend, it only breaks.
It's not a buffet line where you can pick a dab of this and a dab of that.
It's ALL or NOTHING. Choose wisely.

Galatians 5:3
Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Halbhh said:

And as we see in the connecting word "therefore" or "then" (various translations), verse 24 is the continuation of verse 23. And we can see how verses 24-27 are the key message of the full passage of 21-27, explaining clearly what is the "lawlessness" (or "iniquity") that will lead to death.

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Let's take a look at that.

Matthew 7:21-27
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

Tone said:

Yes, it results in bondage to sin, because of the unbelieving hearts of man.

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It says the covenant from Mount Sinai is a bondage to slavery. The TCs.
Represented by Hagar the slave woman.

Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

BABerean2 said:

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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I like this one too. (2)

Those people are zealous to win you over,
but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us,
so that you may have zeal for them. - Galatians 4:17

BNR32FAN said:

I’m not a Messianic Jew. I’m more of a nondenominational who has a tendency to lean towards the Orthodox teachings.

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Jesus wasn't orthodox. You might want to bear that in mind.