CNN: President Trump Threatens to Close Border with Mexico

thecolorsblend said:

The yuppies can live without trips to the beach in Mexico.

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Yuppies fly.

It would be interesting to see Texas go blue next election. Ah, who am I kidding, it’s worth a recession to own the libs right?

Oh, no! How will underinsured and uninsured Americans living near the Mexican border get lifesaving affordable medical care? My friend's daughter's life was saved by Mexican surgery because she was uninsured. Living in Texas, she was able to get to Mexico by car...

usexpat97 said:

Actually, you guys are off on both counts. Again: the Calexit movement is petitioning to get Congress to vote on California seceding. Which is entirely, 100% legal. And why not? If they don't want to be there...

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There was this little incident called the American Civil War.....maybe you read about it somewhere?....Well, it decided the fact that secession was in fact not legal and the federal gov could force states to stay in the Union.

usexpat97 said:

And second, no, you CANNOT renounce your citizenship. The U.S. is the single most difficult country in the world to renounce your citizenship. In Sweden, you can just walk into the consulate and sign a paper, and you're done. In the U.S., it's a minimum 3-year process, and that's AFTER you become a citizen elsewhere. $5000 in fees, not even counting attorneys. The IRS combs over your bank accounts, foreign or otherwise, and you have to pay a penalty on all your 401k or similar retirement. And if you DON"T renounce citizenship, you have to file U.S. taxes every year even if you earned no income or even step foot in the U.S.. It's absolute baloney.

The U.S. is the LA gang of the world: once you're in, you're not getting out. Not without getting thoroughly worked over and roughed up. And people are worried about the wall going IN to the U.S....

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United States[edit]
Main article: Relinquishment of United States nationality
See also: List of former United States citizens who relinquished their nationality
Overview[edit]

A Certificate of Loss of Nationality, issued to a former Citizen of the United States

Although renunciation may be the most commonly used term when referring to loss of U.S. nationality, renunciation is only one of the seven expatriating acts that may be performed voluntarily and with the intent to relinquish U.S. nationality stated in Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. § 1481).[23]

United States law requires that an individual appear in person before a consular officer at a U.S. embassy or consulate outside the United States and sign an oath or affirmation that the individual intends to renounce U.S. citizenship. Exceptions to this rule are permitted in times of war and under special circumstances.[24][25] During the expatriation procedure, the individual must complete several documents and demonstrate in an interview with a consular officer that the renunciation is voluntary and intentional. Depending on the embassy or consulate, the individual is often required to appear in person two times and conduct two separate interviews with consular officers over the course of several months.[26] wiki

Democrats refuse to acknowledge that there is a crisis at the border. Because of Trump's obvious racism, we ignore even the idea of caravans coming north. Well, this month will likely set record of over 100K asylum seekers.

There is NO crisis with regard to criminals, illegals and drugs. Those have been going down. The crisis is among those who seek LEGAL asylum in numbers that the Congress and country are not willing accept, but currently have no way to stop the flow, or deal with it.

wing2000 said:

Central Americans will continue to migrate north if they no longer feel safe or they have no future in their home countries for them and their children. Our country, and more specifically, our employers - including Donald Trump - have invited illegal labor for the past 3 decades. Mexico and Central America are an integrated part of our economy. More recently, violent conditions in urban neighborhoods across Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala has pushed many more to make the trip.

The conditions in these three countries has to change.

And what does Donald Trump do? He orders the state department to defund the already aid programs.

The State Department issued a statement late on Friday saying: “At the secretary’s instruction, we are carrying out the president’s direction and ending FY 2017 and FY 2018 foreign assistance programs for the Northern Triangle. We will be engaging Congress as part of this process.”

Trump Directs State Dept. to End Aid to 3 Central American Countries

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mark46 said:

There is NO crisis with regard to criminals, illegals and drugs. Those have been going down. The crisis is among those who seek LEGAL asylum in numbers that the Congress and country are not willing accept, but currently have no way to stop the flow, or deal with it.

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Exactly why the source of the problem needs to be addressed. Cutting off foreign aid to the three Central Americans will certainly not make the situation better.

civilwarbuff said:

If you want to argue a position it would be helpful to you if you knew the facts.

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Which is why I made the statement which begins with "I wonder why". If you can answer the question, great, if you can't what was your reason for responding to my post? Was it just to be rude or was there some other purpose?

Hank77 said:

I wonder why Trump thinks it's Mexico's responsibility to stop people from Central America from crossing our border.

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Yes, we must increase aid to the 3 countries, and also Mexico.

However, there are 100K asylum seekers at our border this month. This number will likely continue, and a doubling or tripling of aid won't stop that.

How many are the Democrats willing to accept into the US each year.

wing2000 said:

Exactly why the source of the problem needs to be addressed. Cutting off foreign aid to the three Central Americans will certainly not make the situation better.

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brinny said:

Then perhaps they should do so and ease their anguish.

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Nov 6, 2012 election......It's not the first time citizens of states have petitioned to secede....

In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, Petition the White House on the Issues that Matter to You | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.
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As of Monday, the Texas petition had already exceeded the 25,000-signature threshold, and the Louisiana petition was fast approaching the cutoff with more than 18,000 signatures. Most of the petitions were posted online Nov. 10, which means they have until Dec. 10 to qualify for a response.
Petitions to secede are filed for 23 states since election

Hank77 said:

Nov 6, 2012 election......It's not the first time citizens of states have petitioned to secede....

In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, Petition the White House on the Issues that Matter to You | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.
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As of Monday, the Texas petition had already exceeded the 25,000-signature threshold, and the Louisiana petition was fast approaching the cutoff with more than 18,000 signatures. Most of the petitions were posted online Nov. 10, which means they have until Dec. 10 to qualify for a response.
Petitions to secede are filed for 23 states since election

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Thank you Hank. However i was referring to those in pain and/or anguish (per an earlier post that i responded to) can very well just ease their said pain and anguish by exiting without taking California with them. It's much quicker and it might be very healing for them.

Nothing wrong with wanting to leave.

They should.

The sooner the better for their own sakes.

I wish them a hearty adios.

brinny said:

The sooner the better for their own sakes.

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Another threat.

civilwarbuff said:

If you want to argue a position it would be helpful to you if you knew the facts.

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Not how it works. You can't just state something and refuse to support it.

Speedwell said:

Another threat.

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Nonsense.

Nice try, tho'

I wish anyone well who wants to follow their dreams and if leaving would help them do so, the very best to them.

I say go fer it.

Adios.

By the way, speaking of any "threat", the lives and well being of infants and children are "threatened" with every day that passes with a non-secure border. The Pedophilia and infant and child sex trafficking industries are a dire "threat" to these infants and children victims that are "currency" in these onerous industries, Speedwell.

brinny said:

Nonsense.

Nice try, tho'

I wish anyone well who wants to follow their dreams and if leaving would help them do so, the very best to them.

I say go fer it.

Adios.

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Not necessary. This is America, where people can follow their dreams without leaving. The Right does not own America or get to decide unilaterally what is patriotism and what is not.

Speedwell said:

Not necessary. This is America, where people can follow their dreams without leaving. The Right does not own America or get to decide unilaterally what is patriotism and what is not.

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See post #93. I edited it.

Speedwell said:

Not necessary. This is America, where people can follow their dreams without leaving. The Right does not own America or get to decide unilaterally what is patriotism and what is not.

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That's the usual ad nauseam debate tactic of the Right and the Christian Right in particular. Some of them become morally indignant when someone dares to criticize America and one of their only retorts is "If you don't love America, you can leave it!" They also resort to that when someone refuses to pay their homage to America by standing for the National Anthem or refuses to recite the Pledge.

brinny said:

Thank you Hank. However i was referring to those in pain and/or anguish (per an earlier post that i responded to) can very well just ease their said pain and anguish by exiting without taking California with them. It's much quicker and it might be very healing for them.

Nothing wrong with wanting to leave.

They should.

The sooner the better for their own sakes.

I wish them a hearty adios.

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You know that they aren't talking about individually leaving the US. You know they are talking about the CA seceding from the US.
Just like the people in 23 states back in 2012 were in pain, anguish, and anger over Obama's reelection. It would be silly to tell them that they could individually leave their state, their homes, their families, and their jobs.
It's all about the division that begin when Obama was elected in 2006 and grew. When the Republicans didn't beat him in 2012 many of the red states wanted a different president and administration so much that they'd rather go it on their own.
Trump didn't start the big divide in our country but he saw it and capitalized on it. His victory slogan for 2020 should be 'Divide and Conquer'.

Speedwell said:

Not necessary. This is America, where people can follow their dreams without leaving. The Right does not own America or get to decide unilaterally what is patriotism and what is not.

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That 'right' though does not include secession......

Shiloh Raven said:

That's the usual ad nauseam debate tactic of the Right and the Christian Right in particular. Some of them become morally indignant when someone dares to criticize America and one of their only retorts is "If you don't love America, you can leave it!" They also resort to that when someone refuses to pay their homage to America by standing for the National Anthem or refuses to recite the Pledge.

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How many people, especially celebrities, declared they were going to leave the country if Trump got elected? How many actually left?...….ZERO. Talk about getting indignant simply because their side loses an election.

Hank77 said:

You know that they aren't talking about individually leaving the US. You know they are talking about the CA seceding from the US.
Just like the people in 23 states back in 2012 were in pain, anguish, and anger over Obama's reelection. It would be silly to tell them that they could individually leave their state, their homes, their families, and their jobs.
It's all about the division that begin when Obama was elected in 2006 and grew. When the Republicans didn't beat him in 2012 many of the red states wanted a different president and administration so much that they'd rather go it on their own.
Trump didn't start the big divide in our country but he saw it and capitalized on it. His victory slogan for 2020 should be 'Divide and Conquer'.

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Thank you for the clarity, although i disagree with some of what you posted, Hank.