What commandments is Jesus talking about?

Saint Steven · Mar 29, 2019

Jonaitis said:
So if love isn't a command, why did Jesus say that his commandment is to love one another? I'm lost at what you are saying here.

You inferred that love is in the law. I said I don't think so. (show me)
You failed to do so. Which proved that I was right. Thanks.

Saint Steven · Mar 29, 2019

Jonaitis said:
Scripture is my basis, just read passages like Galatians 4:4-5.

You guys are teaching strange things, and refuse to listen, I'm outta here.

Galatians?
Good idea. Let's explore Galatians.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2019

Jonaitis said:
In answer to your question, he kept the whole Law of Moses as a Jew, and kept the moral code revealed in the Law of Moses (Ten Commandments) as Redeemer.

The 10 Commandments are the Sinai Covenant based on the verse below. The term "the moral code", or "the moral law", is not found in the Bible. It is a man-made invention.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant began in Acts chapter 15, and continues to the present. During most of the history of the Church the Judaisers have won the day.

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Are there are two different sets of commandments in the verse below?

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

The New Covenant is a higher standard than the Old Covenant, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.

Christ contrasts the two covenants below with the words “But I say…”

Mat 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.'
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
Mat 5:26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Mat 5:31 "Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
Mat 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Mat 5:33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.'
Mat 5:34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;
Mat 5:35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Mat 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Mat 5:40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
Mat 5:41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
Mat 5:42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
Mat 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
Mat 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Confirmation of the contrast between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is found below.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
(Why did Paul compare the ten commandments to a ministry of death?)

Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
(Why did Paul compel the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”?)

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, in as much as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. (Was this written in the present tense during the first century?)
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(Do most people now ride a horse to church, or has that mode of transportation become "obsolete"?)

Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Is that mountain Mount Sinai?)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Is this verse speaking of the “church” of Jesus Christ?)
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
(Why does the text above say that we are not come to Mount Sinai, but to Mount Zion?)

In Galatians 3:16-29 the Apostle Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant. Paul said the law was “added” 430 years “after” the promise made to Abraham “until” the seed(Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Watch the YouTube videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and “New Covenant Theology Made Simple” by David H. J. Gay.

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Saint Steven · Mar 30, 2019

What commandments is Jesus talking about?
Not the Ten Commandments. Jesus CHOSE the Apostle Paul (Saul) Saying: "This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel." - Acts 9:15

What did Jesus' primary spokesman have to say about the Ten Commandments?

Were the TCs "engraved in letters on stone"? If so, he says they were the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Shimshon · Mar 30, 2019

BABerean2 said:
(Why does the text above say that we are not come to Mount Sinai, but to Mount Zion?)

BABerean2 said:
(Is this verse speaking of the “church” of Jesus Christ?)

The letter was addressed primarily to Jewish converts who were familiar with the OT and who were being tempted to revert to Judaism or to Judaize the gospel (cf. Gal 2:14). Some have suggested that these professing Jewish Christians were thinking of merging with a Jewish sect, such as the one at Qumran near the Dead Sea. It has also been suggested that the recipients were from the "large number of priests who became obedient to the faith" (Ac 6:7).

BABerean2 said:
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

BABerean2 said:
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD

BABerean2 said:
THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

BABerean2 said:
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

BABerean2 said:
Heb 12:22 But you have

BABerean2 said:
Heb 12:18 For you have

The book (to the) Hebrews. Strange how you can understand that the book was written to the Galatians but can't seem to identify who the "you" is in the book written to the Jewish Christians.

Who is the father making the New covenant with, and how does (present tense) it affect the people of Israel? The Hebrews. This is the general concept of the book.

Still amazing how Christians use the book against the very people it was written to. Stripping all the blessings from the tree thinking the curses remain only for the fig.

The covenant of old is obsolete, but the people and God's relationship with us remain under the new. Branches are removed, many more added, but the tree remains.

After all, the 'root' is holy.

16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.

21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Why does reformed christianity not convey this kindness by teaching replacement theology? That the church receives Israel's blessings while Israel only gets pruned out of the tree?

Unless you understand Israel's redemption you will never grasp the details of your own.

Shimshon · Mar 30, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Does it say anything about loving one another? (nope)

You're confusing me here.

Jonaitis said:
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Both the first and second deal with love, the second is about love between you and your neighbor.

These are two very direct commands to love.

"You shall love...."

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

Tone said:
To be free from something means you are not in bondage to it by having to do it,e.g., kill, steal, lie, adultery, etc...

The burden is having to commit the sin not getting to abstain from it. We don't got to follow the law, we get to

You are free, because you don't do it and, hopefully, you do the opposite: give life, give possessions, spread the truth, and be a loving spouse, etc...

Tone said:
"The mount was covered by the cloud for six days, and on the seventh day Moses went into the midst of the cloud and was "in the mount forty days and forty nights."[46] And Moses said, "the LORDdelivered unto me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly."[47] Before the full forty days expired, the children of Israel collectively decided that something had happened to Moses, and compelled Aaron to fashion a golden calf, and he "built an altar before it"[48]and the people "worshipped" the calf.[49]

After the full forty days, Moses and Joshua came down from the mountain with the tablets of stone: "And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tablets out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount."[50]After the events in chapters 32 and 33, the LORD told Moses, "Hew thee two tablets of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tablets the words that were in the first tablets, which thou brakest."[51] "And he wrote on the tablets, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me."[52]

According to Jewish tradition, Exodus 20:1–17 constitutes God's first recitation and inscription of the ten commandments on the two tablets,[53]which Moses broke in anger with his rebellious nation, and were later rewritten on replacement stones and placed in the ark of the covenant;[54] and Deuteronomy 5:4–25 consists of God's re-telling of the Ten Commandments to the younger generation who were to enter the Promised Land."
Ten Commandments - Wikipedia

So, Who's your LORD?

Also, speaking of the underlined words in the last portion of the passage, do you all think that the breaking of the original stones and the "replacement stones" account, prefigures the need for Messiah to fulfill the Law? is it our hearts that are the replacement stones?

Tone said:
"For ewhat the law could not do, in that fit was weak through the flesh, gYah sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and ||for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, awho walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Romans 8:3-4

We, who believe, are dead to the curse of the law and alive to the blessings!

Tone said:
" And Moses came and told the people all the words of YHWH, and all the ordinances: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which YHWH hath spoken will we do."
Exodus 24:3

"What commandments is Jesus talking about?"

What Yahuah commanded, Moses commanded, and what Moses commanded, Yahshua re-commanded in the renewed covenant.

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

Tone said:
Well, if you don't see the family connection between Father and Son, here's a passage that may help:

"Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"

Who's Law?

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

Tone said:
"What commandments is Jesus talking about?"

John 12:49-50
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

Shimshon · Mar 30, 2019

Shimshon said:
The command has gone out. Yeshua has proclaimed the beacon call. The shofar has sounded, the tekiah gedolah. Lasting over 2000 yrs so far. No longer is any of the House of Yisrael teaching and proclaiming the command to ‘Know the LORD‘. Because the Father is commanding all, from the least of us to the greatest, to know Him, through Yeshua.

The command is to know the LORD through Yeshua. To have a relationship with God through Yeshua the Messiah.

The One He sent to judge and forgive our sins. We are commanded to believe in Him. That He is the One He said he was, and that He did the things He said He did. This is Faith that leads to eternal life! This was the command Yeshua gave all who listened. This was the command proclaimed by the Father through the Son of God, Yeshua.

All will know the LORD because He will forgive our wickedness and remember our sins no more, because of Yeshua!! The Father is commanding all through Yeshua to know Him.

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2019

Shimshon said:
Why does reformed christianity not convey this kindness by teaching replacement theology? That the church receives Israel's blessings while Israel only gets pruned out of the tree?

Unless you understand Israel's redemption you will never grasp the details of your own.

I am not "reformed".

I have no doubt that the Book of Hebrews was addressed to those coming out of Judaism, like the Apostle Paul.
That fact does not change the fulfillment of the New Covenant found in the book.

The term "Replacement Theology" is most often used by those attempting to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

The ultimate fulfillment of Israel is found in the verse below, and confirmed by the Apostle Paul.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel".
Who was Peter talking to on that day when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

The true form of "Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

It replaces the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:6-8.

It replaces the remnant of faithful Israelites, with the Baal worshipers in Romans 11:1-5.

It tries to claim that a man or woman's relationship to God is determined by who their parents would be, by ignoring Paul's warning about genealogies in Titus 3:9.

Who was James addressing in his letter as "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith"?

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

If you do not understand that our redemption comes from the New Covenant established by the Son of God at Calvary, you will never understand how any person can be redeemed.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Shimshon · Mar 30, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
BTW, why did you put up the verses from John? You ask about Yeshua and His Father's Torah? A house divided can NOT stand...

Why do you conflate the law with the promise? And so create a strawman.

Romans 4

13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.

15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring–not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

It doesn't come through the law nor is it maintained through the law.

Galatians 3
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, ……

11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us–for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”–

14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Receiving the Spirit of God is the promise, it has nothing to do with the law, before Or after you receive it.

Your house is divided because you deny the commandments of Yeshua that lead and teach you to receive the Spirit, so as to remove your sins.

The Law reveals sin. Romans 7:7

Life Through the Spirit
The Spirit ‘removes’ sin. Romans 8:1-4

We are not called to walk by the law but by the Spirit.

ace of hearts · Mar 30, 2019

Shimshon said:
The letter was addressed primarily to Jewish converts who were familiar with the OT and who were being tempted to revert to Judaism or to Judaize the gospel (cf. Gal 2:14). Some have suggested that these professing Jewish Christians were thinking of merging with a Jewish sect, such as the one at Qumran near the Dead Sea. It has also been suggested that the recipients were from the "large number of priests who became obedient to the faith" (Ac 6:7).

The book (to the) Hebrews. Strange how you can understand that the book was written to the Galatians but can't seem to identify who the "you" is in the book written to the Jewish Christians.

Who is the father making the New covenant with, and how does (present tense) it affect the people of Israel? The Hebrews. This is the general concept of the book.

Still amazing how Christians use the book against the very people it was written to. Stripping all the blessings from the tree thinking the curses remain only for the fig.

The covenant of old is obsolete, but the people and God's relationship with us remain under the new. Branches are removed, many more added, but the tree remains.

After all, the 'root' is holy.

16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.

21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Why does reformed christianity not convey this kindness by teaching replacement theology? That the church receives Israel's blessings while Israel only gets pruned out of the tree?

Unless you understand Israel's redemption you will never grasp the details of your own.

I'm sorry for you. I don't believe in replacement theology. By the same token I don't believe the Church excludes Jewish believers. I'm so sorry you think gentiles stole God from the Jews. I ask you to read Romans 11 and Ephesians 2. Gentile believers are graft into Jesus just the same as Jews. Gentiles aren't graft into Israel nor do we become Israel. John 10 says there will be one fold. It doesn't say that fold will be Israel. At the same time Romans 11 says God isn't finished with Israel. There's nothing dealing with salvation in the whole Bible requiring one to become a Jew (Israeli) to possess salvation. Jesus made it clear whosoever will can be saved. For me it's simple, If one wants to participate in the New Covenant, they must accept Jesus as the Messiah. If one doesn't they can't participate in the New Covenant nor can they have eternal life the Old Covenant dsoesn't provide for. We took nothing from the Jews they can't also have. Their jealousy is their own fault and problem. I've never found a Jew who will even talk to me a gentile about their religion. They seem very angry and bitter closing themselves off. They've done this all by themselves and God said they'd essentially become a swear word. I've been to NE and done business with them. Jesus said you will go through Him if you want access to God the Father (God of Israel) JN 14:6. Gentiles have nothing to do with this. BTW it's not the tree one is pruned from.

ace of hearts · Mar 30, 2019

Shimshon said:
You're confusing me here.

Both the first and second deal with love, the second is about love between you and your neighbor.

These are two very direct commands to love.

"You shall love...."

Love can't be commanded nor demanded.

ace of hearts · Mar 30, 2019

Yeah we have to follow the law, we can't follow the law (keep it without violation). The Jews acknowledged this in Nehemiah. The Psalms says no one does. Why do the curses of the law fall on Israel? (hint - Deut 28)

For the Christian LK 6:31 and JN 13:34 solves your problem with morals and the negative commands of the famous 10.

The physical body isn't subject to the carnal commands of performance according to Paul a Pharisee unequaled when it come to the law. Rom 8. The only way to effect the body's performance is by fear or changing the interior (the soul). Jesus said they were whited sepulchres full of dead mans bones. Mat 23:27

Jesus is my Lord and I follow Him, not Moses or the law. I'm not ruled by the law, I'm born again raised to life in Christ Jesus, not to the same thing I died to and from.

Jesus didn't re-command the law. JN 1:17, 13:34, 15:10 etc.

ace of hearts · Mar 30, 2019

Tone said:
"What commandments is Jesus talking about?"

John 12:49-50
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

According to John it isn't the law given by Moses. See 1:17; 13:34 and 15:10.

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

ace of hearts said:
According to John it isn't the law given by Moses. See 1:17; 13:34 and 15:10.

But He did speak His Father's Commandment right?

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2019

Tone said:
But He did speak His Father's Commandment right?

His standard of conduct is higher than the Sinai Covenant, based on His words "But I say to you..."

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Every day thousands of those who call themselves "Christians" view online inappropriate contentography, and think they are not committing adultery.

What did Jesus say?

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Tone · Mar 30, 2019

BABerean2 said:
His standard of conduct is higher than the Sinai Covenant, based on His words "But I say to you..."

And all that He said from the Father.

Tone · Mar 30, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you

This is all One, there is no contradiction...this is the Word from the Father.

*From the beginning

What commandments is Jesus talking about?

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