Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Did you read anything I wrote carefully? I provided scripture to backup each point I made please reread my post which you quoted in it's entirety.

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YHWH_will_uplift said:

"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth': and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:14-19

God clearly says the lights are to give light upon the earth: therefore the Sun, Moon and stars each give off their own light. Moses then clarifies that among these lights God made two of them great: in the day we see one of the two great lights in the sky all the time...the Sun...and at night we never see the Sun but, the Moon with the stars (see also Psalms 136:7-9).

"This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all."
John 1:5

Because God is Light and made all things it stands that God is the source of all things including light: therefore the luminaries receive their light from God as He created them.


"[...]He made the stars also[...]" means that He made the stars in addition to the two great lights which is consistent with what God said earlier, "And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth'[...]". Therefore God made two great lights and He made the stars in addition to these great lights: it does not say that God made a great Star named the Sun, and the Moon: and the stars in addition to the great star. And God clearly states that the lights each give off their own light to shine upon the earth.

Light produces light. Gas produces gas. Simple.


God says the Sun rises and sets through the prophets:

"For from the rising of the Sun even unto the going down of the same[...]"
Malachi 1:11

"That they may know from the rising of the Sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I Am the YHWH, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:6

"And the YHWH spake unto Moses and unto Aaron saying, 'Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house: far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch. And on the east side toward the rising of the Sun'[...]"
Numbers 2:1-3

"I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the Sun[...]"
Isaiah 41:25

These are direct quotes from God's mouth that the Sun moves...are you going to be foolish enough to argue against them? If anyone should know about the Sun it would be the Creator of it, and that Creator is God, not man.


Read Joshua 10:12-14 to see that God commanded the Sun and Moon to stop moving, not the earth.


Have you heard of measuring light speed? Light moves in waves and particles. As colors light may be associated with white while darkness may be associated with black: therefore since we have proven that light has a color and moves, it stands that we have proven darkness has a color and moves. In scripture we read that God created the Light and the Darkness: therefore in order for Light to overcome the Dark it must expand and grow its light: and this is accomplished by light moving; the same logic applies to the Darkness.


Have you ever played with Play-doh as a child? If you have then you'll recall that it has no form to begin with: therefore the user must give it form. This same reasoning applies to the earth after God created it: it was a large mass of Play-doh with no discernable form: therefore God later gave it form. It matters not how much darkness or light surrounds an object with no discernable form: it will always be formless. The void simply refers to the earth not having any life at the time it was created.

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YHWH_will_uplift said:

"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth': and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:14-19

God clearly says the lights are to give light upon the earth: therefore the Sun, Moon and stars each give off their own light. Moses then clarifies that among these lights God made two of them great: in the day we see one of the two great lights in the sky all the time...the Sun...and at night we never see the Sun but, the Moon with the stars (see also Psalms 136:7-9).

"This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all."
John 1:5

Because God is Light and made all things it stands that God is the source of all things including light: therefore the luminaries receive their light from God as He created them.


"[...]He made the stars also[...]" means that He made the stars in addition to the two great lights which is consistent with what God said earlier, "And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth'[...]". Therefore God made two great lights and He made the stars in addition to these great lights: it does not say that God made a great Star named the Sun, and the Moon: and the stars in addition to the great star. And God clearly states that the lights each give off their own light to shine upon the earth.

Light produces light. Gas produces gas. Simple.


God says the Sun rises and sets through the prophets:

"For from the rising of the Sun even unto the going down of the same[...]"
Malachi 1:11

"That they may know from the rising of the Sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I Am the YHWH, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:6

"And the YHWH spake unto Moses and unto Aaron saying, 'Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house: far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch. And on the east side toward the rising of the Sun'[...]"
Numbers 2:1-3

"I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the Sun[...]"
Isaiah 41:25

These are direct quotes from God's mouth that the Sun moves...are you going to be foolish enough to argue against them? If anyone should know about the Sun it would be the Creator of it, and that Creator is God, not man.


Read Joshua 10:12-14 to see that God commanded the Sun and Moon to stop moving, not the earth.


Have you heard of measuring light speed? Light moves in waves and particles. As colors light may be associated with white while darkness may be associated with black: therefore since we have proven that light has a color and moves, it stands that we have proven darkness has a color and moves. In scripture we read that God created the Light and the Darkness: therefore in order for Light to overcome the Dark it must expand and grow its light: and this is accomplished by light moving; the same logic applies to the Darkness.


Have you ever played with Play-doh as a child? If you have then you'll recall that it has no form to begin with: therefore the user must give it form. This same reasoning applies to the earth after God created it: it was a large mass of Play-doh with no discernable form: therefore God later gave it form. It matters not how much darkness or light surrounds an object with no discernable form: it will always be formless. The void simply refers to the earth not having any life at the time it was created.

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YHWH_will_uplift said:

You really are slow to understand things brother...If God created all things then it stands that all things--including artificial light--comes from Him.


Go with what scripture says and you will never go wrong: for scripture says not to lean on your own understanding. Therefore if your mind is really having this much trouble comprehending the clear evidence I have been presenting then please pray to God to give you the wisdom to understand what you cannot on your own.

The Egyptians did not have the technology we do but, they built the pyramids which we to this day cannot replicate with our modern machinery; the Greeks drew with sticks in the sand and gave us Geometry, and they also used limestones--called kalx in the Greek tongue--to count which gave birth to calculus; and, it has been proven and discovered that the Babylonians knew about PIE before the Greeks and our modern society: therefore your argument is of no substance as our ancient ancestors did more than we could with our computers, phones, and...telescopes. This means that we are distracted, lazy, and slacking which results in our minds becoming dull and void of creativity.


(Read my answer on this above)


You are arguing against God now not me...sigh...God made two great lights...and king David recognized them as the Sun and Moon (Psalms 136:7-9) and no one else has recognized any other great lights. Until you can accept what scripture clearly says then you will never understand that NASA's definition does not equal God's definition. God says that He made the Sun, Moon and stars to give light upon the earth.


The "morning star" talked about here is known in astronomy as Venus by the Romans; and in Egypt the "morning star" is known as Sirius. In scripture the "Bright and Morning Star" is referring to Christ at the end of Revelation 22:16; the "morning star" is the reward which Jesus will give to those who overcome Jezebel and Satan's teachings (Revelation 2:26-29); the "morning star" in Latin comes from Lucifer which was the old name of Satan before he was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:12 cf. Revelation 12:3-4ff.). The "morning star" as we see it in the sky which is Venus shines brighter than all of the lights in heaven except the Sun and Moon.


YHWH would tell the Sun to stop moving because He created it to move...therefore since He is the Creator He knows better. Stop assuming that and forcing our definitions align with God's. God will not do anything contradictory to the truth therefore if the earth truly moves God, would not have listened to Joshua or, He would have corrected Him at the very least for his error: but because God did not do either, it remains that the Sun moves.


You and I are not God, therefore our personal thoughts and feelings matter little in the face of truth. Until you wrap your head around Joshua 10:12 you will never understand that you have been lied to by man. And as long as you approach the Word of God with an attitude of pride and incredulity then you will never know the truth concerning the world and everything in it. As for day and night in outer space I could not tell you because I have never been there. I can only tell what I see from my vantage point on earth.


Did you really think that I said light and darkness are made from the same substance as the earth? LOL! The play-doh reference is connected to the earth not having form and empty of life just as the play-doh is formless and void of life, and it not moving. When you're in the dark you cannot see anything therefore you cannot tell with your sight whether something has a discernable shape or form; nor can you tell with your hands what discernable form an object has unless you saw it once before. Are you really this slow brother? When you take a pile of play-doh it has no form or life therefore it must be shaped according to the form I give it in my mind for it to have form. And for it to have life I must breathe life into it or place life on it: this is exactly what God demonstrated in the week of creation when He commanded the earth to bring forth the plants and animals and, when He formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.


You really failed to comprehend what I clearly wrote to you...sigh...God is Light...Light is white in color...white light passing through a prism reveals all the other colors...black is a color...darkness is black...therefore if white light is measurable then it stands that all colors--including black--are measurable...and if light is measurable then darkness is measurable. This would explain why God created the heavens before He created the earth: the heavens are a clear and solid prism which God passed His Light through in order to form the earth, the seas, the darkness, and all that is in the world.

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