What commandments is Jesus talking about?

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"I am dead to the Law" does not mean either that the Law is dead or that I have no resonsibility to obey the Law. It means "I am dead as far as the Law is concerned."
That workaround doesn't hold up in context. What did Paul destroy? (vs 18)

Galatians 2:18-21
If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. 19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 
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The reason why I wasn't arrested today and am currently not in jail is because I didn't break the law...so I'm not under it. But, believe me, it is alive and well and ready to pounce.
If you live in fear of consequences, you are under it.
 
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Why do you assume those are Jesus' commands?
He said, "Thou knowest the commandments..." He wasn't claiming them as his own.
Also, the mere MENTION of an OT commandment in the NT testament does not make it valid for us to be under.
Jesus discussed the law with those of His day. Jesus never promoted the law - JN 1:17.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 
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Jesus discussed the law with those of His day. Jesus never promoted the law - JN 1:17.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Did He or did He not keep Torah?
 
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Jesus differentiates between his commands and the Fathers' commands.
What do you make of that?

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

His Father's commandments may not be referring to the Law, but to his mission...
 
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Good, so you agree he was a fully Torah observant Jew. He does the Will of His Father.
There's a huge difference in observing the law as AOH states and being fully observant, as you interjected.

So where in the Torah does the Father command the Messiah to offer himself as a sacrifice for others sins? Where did the Father give commandments to Moses concerning Yeshua's death and resurrection? More to the point where is the command given Moses for Yeshua to save people from their sins by commanding them to be accountable to all the word spoken to Moses? Can you list these commandments, will of the Father, regarding Yeshua and his ministry from the Torah given Moses?

Your premise is that the will of God is to be Torah observant like Yeshua was. That it's the will of God for Yeshua and those who 'follow ' him to observe the Torah given Moses. Where does Moses state God's commands regarding this will?

And even more, why did Yeshua 'contrast the two instead of correlate them.

The Torah of Yeshua is not the same as the Torah of Moses. (John 6:43-58)
 
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I'll defer to Soyeong's responses in that thread...
Of course you do, he professes what you do.

This means that repentance from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is an integral part of the Gospel message.

When you correctly understand what it means to believe in Yeshua, then you will see that it involves obedience to the Mosaic Law.
But he doesn't answer the questions I posted to you here. He quotes the NT except once, and that to say that we shouldn't believe anything but what was given to Moses. Which conveniently completley nullifies Yeshua saying anything other than what was given Moses.

Which completely compromises the Words Yeshua gave, which are life.

Both of you failed to understand this by believing and teaching others the opposite.
 
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