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Put a link up to your posts on apostate Protestantism.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Protestantism was apostate?!! Define "apostate"............
Jerryhuerta said: ↑See my posts on the Historicist's threads.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Put a link up to your posts on apostate Protestantism.
Nope. You brought it up......Na, you look them up.
Jerryhuerta said: ↑
I don’t see where you’ve refuted this evidence that RT been around for a long time; the Roman Church started it and apostate Protestantism imbibed it. And to take the onus off themselves they try and accuse the theology of the two houses of Israel as a cult, like the pot calling the kettle black.
But they still acknowledge that there was a future restoration for biological descendants. Citing Justin Martyr,
And what the people of the Jews shall say and do, when they see Him coming in glory, has been thus predicted by Zechariah the prophet: “I will command the four winds to gather the scattered children; I will command the north wind to bring them, and the south wind, that it keep not back. And then in Jerusalem there shall be great lamentation, not the lamentation of mouths or of lips, but the lamentation of the heart; and they shall rend not their garments, but their hearts. Tribe by tribe they shall mourn, and then they shall look on Him whom they have pierced; and they shall say, Why, O Lord, hast Thou made us to err from Thy way? The glory which our fathers blessed, has for us been turned into shame.” Justin, First Apology 52, ANF 1:180.
This is not the supersessionism of the Roman church in that the ante-Nicene's still acknowledged the covenant promises of the biological descendants and the Messianic kingdom in the age to come.
Your confusing racialization with the promises to Israel.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17-19
Nope. You look it up. I will say that the NT substantiates a great apostasy, a falling away just before Christ returns. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.Nope. You brought it up......
What do you mean by "apostate Protestantism"?
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Ephesian 2 says differently; the gentiles, the nations, were aliens to the covenants, without hope in the world. RT speciously asserts there wasn't any difference. The ante-Nicene's held that the biological descendants would be restored to the Messianic kingdom in the age to come. RT maintains there is no kingdom for the biological descendants in the age to come; they lost the kingdom and were supplanted by the gentiles. RT views this age as the promised Messianic kingdom and the commencement of the eternal estate at Christ's return, which the ante-Nicene's clearly did not believe; they were chiliast.Not limited to biological descendants, for as a scholar and apologist Justin Martyr would have been well aware of Genesis 17:12 and the multiraciality of Israel's tribes. He would have been including any practitioner of old covenant Judaism irrespective of ethnicity.
You continue to confuse faith and obedience with biology.
You also ignore the reality of Abrahamic genetic ubiquity.
Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage
Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity
So what is your point? I don't understand how this relates to Paul saying, “For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) = Only in Christ do any experience the promise made to Abraham.Abraham's descendants were the only ones that were born as heirs to the covenants. And none of them were saved by circumcision, or have you not read Romans 4. Their works, keeping the law, followed their faith; they were saved by faith in the Redeemer to come and God ordained their obedience to the law (Ephesians 2:10). Furthermore, the abolishment of the Mosaic covenant, the end of the need of circumcision, did not end the promises to Israel. You do know that the law Paul is talking about below is the Mosaic covenant, right?
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17-19
Galatians 3:17-19 maintains the promises to the biological descendants of Abraham was not abolished. Revelation 7 substantiates the continuation of the descendants. God knows who and where they are at the end of this age.
Ephesian 2 says differently; the gentiles, the nations, were aliens to the covenants, without hope in the world. RT speciously asserts there wasn't any difference. The ante-Nicene's held that the biological descendants would be restored to the Messianic kingdom in the age to come. RT maintains there is no kingdom for the biological descendants in the age to come; they lost the kingdom and were supplanted by the gentiles. RT views this age as the promised Messianic kingdom and the commencement of the eternal estate at Christ's return, which the ante-Nicene's clearly did not believe; they were chiliast.
I pretty much agree with most of you post, claninja, or whatever your true name might be, with the exception of your take on 2 Corinthians 5 and Philippians 3. In the former, Paul is speaking of the “temporal body” versus the “glorified body,” the latter we receive at the last trumpet.
1 Corinthians 15:
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. KJV
Philippians 2 must yet agree with Revelation 5:9-10, as the scripture cannot conflict with themselves.
Revelation 5:
9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth." ESV
The Greek tenses in verse often denote the accomplishment of an act yet consummated in the future
Christ our citizenship is already in heaven but heaven is coming here is stages to be consummated when the Father ultimately tabernacles with man in Revelation 21:3.
Christ did convey “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” in Matthew 6:10
No scripture actually says the former, while Revelation 21:1-7 plainly states the latter.so it seems the main difference in our belief is that I believe we go to heaven, while you believe heaven comes down to us.
Revelation is a destruction of an old Levitical Priesthood and Temple in 1st century Jerusalem which for the Jews were the "former things" which Jesus and the OT Prophets warned was nigh of vanishing. Hebrews 8:13No scripture actually says the former, while Revelation 21:1-7 plainly states the latter.
No scripture actually says the former, while Revelation 21:1-7 plainly states the latter.
Revelation 21:3 says that God Himself will come to dwell with mankind. Where God is, there heaven is also.Revelation 21:1-7 does not say heaven comes down to earth. It says the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven.
There is plenty of OT prophecy about the Lord's people, now every Christian, going to live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 62:1-5, Psalms 37:29Maybe you could provide scripture in the NT, where any one of the epistles state the land of Israel is the destination?
Revelation 21:3 says that God Himself will come to dwell with mankind. Where God is, there heaven is also.
There is plenty of OT prophecy about the Lord's people, now every Christian, going to live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 62:1-5, Psalms 37:29
But also in the NT we have Romans 9:24-26, where it says that we Christians will be called the children of the Living God...in the very place that ancient Israel was rejected.
And Revelation 7:9 is a scene in earthly Jerusalem, this is proved by the context of that Chapter.
Both of these scriptures cite a future time when God will dwell with man, prophesying Revelation 21:1-7Paul states that God already dwells with us
Ephesians 2:22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God bye the Spirit.
2 corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
Not yet, but soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath has removed all the evil neighbors, including the apostate Jews. Jeremiah 12:14, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17So gentiles believers are not the children of God yet, if they don't live in Israel?