Why is the day of worship controversial?
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True. Though we believe Christians are free to worship God on any day, we see nothing wrong with the Lord's Day. Every Sunday has a bit of Easter in it.
But for a Restorationist, that's just their given assumption and reason for being.
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Kinda funny seeing he rose right after the sun went down Saturday night, which was considered Sunday by then, but there was no sunrise resection.
Sunday is just RCC tradition passed down that has held up for 1800yrs. Nothing wrong with it, but if we are honest, its not really biblical or a command to do so, but still not a bad tradtion.
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No one knows the time Jesus rose because the scripture does not specify a time.
We do know that the apostles witnessed the risen Christ on the first day, which the scripture states.
Any other opinions are not supported by the scripture.
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Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28:1 states the Sabbath was ending and it was about to be the 1st day of the week, which would have been when it got dark a new day began, so assuming it was 6,7, or 8pm ish type time frame in the spring it got dark back then, is when the bible then states the resurrection took place. So while we dont know the exact time, like the crucifixion, we can probably assume the resurrection took place anywhere between 7-9pm ish time frame when it gets dark about an hour after the sun goes down, which would have been considered the first day of the week.
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28:1 states the Sabbath was ending and it was about to be the 1st day of the week, which would have been when it got dark a new day began, so assuming it was 6,7, or 8pm ish type time frame in the spring it got dark back then, is when the bible then states the resurrection took place. So while we dont know the exact time, like the crucifixion, we can probably assume the resurrection took place anywhere between 7-9pm ish time frame when it gets dark about an hour after the sun goes down, which would have been considered the first day of the week.
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Just turn on your TV this coming Easter and listen to church after church go on about Jesus rose at dawn on Sunday
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It appears we have a language problem. When is dawn? These days it's around sunrise. The text says - in the end of the sabbath. The sabbath is over at dusk or sunset. Dawn could not be in the evening by our understanding of the word dawn. So did Mary appear in the twilight of the evening or in the twilight of the morning? I don't see what it matters because the tomb was empty when the stone was rolled away. What does matter is Jesus was in the tomb on 3 days. I really don't care how you want to count or what actual days things occurred. The Scripture says Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week. That being any 24 hour period after the sabbath, the first day of the week.
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Sunday is and was the first day of the week, so we do know, because the scriptures say so. The women went to the tomb on the first day of the week, and saw that it was empty. It is presumed that he was raised in the early morning.
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RCC did not exist 1800 years ago.
We do not know that Jesus rose just after sunset, once again the time of the resurrection is unknown.
We rely on the apostles witness and that is what matters, the apostles saw the risen Christ over halfway through the first day.
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Exactly.
This raises an interesting point. Much of the time the early church was led by the Spirit. But the rest of the time they were making it up as they went. This was pioneering work and there was no step-by-step instructional manual to follow for how things should be done. Here are a couple of examples.
In Acts fifteen members of the Circumcision (Sabbatarian/Judaizers) were trying to put the gentiles under the law. They called a council to discuss the issue. It had never come up before and they weren't sure what to do about it. There was no precedent for how to handle this. They listen to the discussion and the Holy Spirit to decide.
When and how the baptism with the Holy Spirit came on believers was another one. At Pentecost the outpouring came to those who waited for it. Those who heard Peter's sermon received it after being baptized. (3000 of them) The believers in Samaria did not receive the Holy Spirit after baptism. The Apostles laid hands on them. In Acts chapter four there were 5000 new believers. Hopefully the Apostles didn't have to lay hands on all of them to receive the Holy Spirit. At the house of Cornelius the Holy Spirit came on the gentiles while Peter was preaching. Baptism followed. In the case of Saul in Damascus, Ananias (not an Apostle) laid hands on Saul and he received the Holy Spirit.
Even Jesus healing ministry did not depend on methodology. He looked to see what the Father was doing and partnered in the work. Thus demonstrating how we should do it. If we just focus (no pun intended) on healing blindness, we see (no pun intended) Jesus spitting on the ground to make mud one time, spitting on the eyes another time, touching the eyes another time, laying hands to pray another time, asking if they had faith another time, asking someone to wash another time. No pattern or formula except to follow God's leading. This still applies today.
Sorry, that was a long one.
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If you actually studied the culture of those times, the term, as it began to dawn on the first day of the week meant the Sabbath was ending, which would have been at dusk, since that is how that culture counts time and still does to this day.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
This confirms the day started at sunset, and it makes perfect sense Paul came to them right after the sun went down and spoke with them until midnight, as it would be insane for Paul to give an almost 15hr message from 6am-midnight.
As usual, whenever something is actually explained in context in Christianity to make the actual text add up and prove why you believe what you believe, folks dont care or it doesn't matter it if doesn't fit their narrative.
He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, so that rules out a Friday crucifixion as well, but thats a whole different topic that has been discussed and addressed here many times.
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That's not correct. Compare these.
Acts 2:15 KJV
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Acts 2:15 NIV
These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
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There's much debate on this subject. I'm not getting into a debate on this. I found an interesting article here - Day of Crucifixion - Enoch Solar Calendar
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Hello Saan.
The following statement of yours is impossible.
The scripture constantly mentions that Jesus rose on the third day, so Jesus cannot be in the grave during the entire third day.
The following statement of yours is impossible.
If that was true then Jesus rose on the fourth day, your preaching a fourth day resurrection of the Christ.
The scripture constantly mentions that Jesus rose on the third day, so Jesus cannot be in the grave during the entire third day.
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Not sure how to win on this one. The alternative is to call Christ a liar. ???
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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