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Hello there! We all know that there are some things that are hard to understand when it comes to the Word of God, I've spent a lot of time thinking about these things, few days ago I had this thought that the Bible holds many "hidden" teachings, these teachings are in plain sight but they are not for everyone.

Think about the gospel of John, the first miracle, the turning of water into wine, this is not just a miracle, this is about a lot more.Let's go further. check John 9, where Jesus heals the man who was born blind, check John 9:41 "Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

Notice something? We know that every man is a sinner, right, even that blind man was a sinner, right? Then, why Jesus says that if you were blind, you should have no sin? It's clear that He does not talk about physical blindness, He talks about spiritual blindness, so that it means that anyone who is spiritually blind is not under the curse of sin.Interesting, but what it means to be spiritually blind? Well, we also learn from John 9:41, it means to not know the Light, the pharisee were aware of the Light, Jesus Christ, that's way Jesus said: "but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."; they were totally against the Light, they were not just evil but they were of Satan, that's why Jesus said that their father is the devil, Satan.So not every man is a sinner, only the ones who are aware of the Light and yet they hate it.I give you one more example, there are places in the Bible where God judges a person, a group of people or a nation right there but there are other places where God is able to give one more chance to a person, a group of people or a nation, why? Think about the story of Jonah, God saved that city, but why did God said about those people? He said: "Shall I not pity Nineveh, the great city that has more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left—and much livestock?"; you see? They had no idea of what is truly wrong and what is truly right, they had no idea who is the Light, but they Light came to them through Jonah and because they accepted it, they were saved.

Now, check Genesis 32:22-32, where we read the story of Jacob fighting with God, I don't think this was a physical fight, this has a lot more to say.

What do you say?
 

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Hello there! We all know that there are some things that are hard to understand when it comes to the Word of God, I've spent a lot of time thinking about these things, few days ago I had this thought that the Bible holds many "hidden" teachings, these teachings are in plain sight but they are not for everyone.

Think about the gospel of John, the first miracle, the turning of water into wine, this is not just a miracle, this is about a lot more.Let's go further. check John 9, where Jesus heals the man who was born blind, check John 9:41 "Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

Notice something? We know that every man is a sinner, right, even that blind man was a sinner, right? Then, why Jesus says that if you were blind, you should have no sin? It's clear that He does not talk about physical blindness, He talks about spiritual blindness, so that it means that anyone who is spiritually blind is not under the curse of sin.Interesting, but what it means to be spiritually blind? Well, we also learn from John 9:41, it means to not know the Light, the pharisee were aware of the Light, Jesus Christ, that's way Jesus said: "but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."; they were totally against the Light, they were not just evil but they were of Satan, that's why Jesus said that their father is the devil, Satan.So not every man is a sinner, only the ones who are aware of the Light and yet they hate it.I give you one more example, there are places in the Bible where God judges a person, a group of people or a nation right there but there are other places where God is able to give one more chance to a person, a group of people or a nation, why? Think about the story of Jonah, God saved that city, but why did God said about those people? He said: "Shall I not pity Nineveh, the great city that has more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left—and much livestock?"; you see? They had no idea of what is truly wrong and what is truly right, they had no idea who is the Light, but they Light came to them through Jonah and because they accepted it, they were saved.

Now, check Genesis 32:22-32, where we read the story of Jacob fighting with God, I don't think this was a physical fight, this has a lot more to say.

What do you say?

Yes, it was a spiritual fight/encounter with the Lord

26Then the man said, “Let Me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let You go unless You bless me.”

28Then the man said,* “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men, and you have prevailed.”

*God changed Jacobs name to Israel

29Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me Your name.”

“Why do you ask My name?” he replied. And He blessed Jacob there.

30So Jacob named the place Peniel, saying, “Indeed, I have seen God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

God Bless.
 
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Yes, it was a spiritual fight/encounter with the Lord

26Then the man said, “Let Me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let You go unless You bless me.”

28Then the man said,* “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men, and you have prevailed.”

*God changed Jacobs name to Israel

29Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me Your name.”

“Why do you ask My name?” he replied. And He blessed Jacob there.

30So Jacob named the place Peniel, saying, “Indeed, I have seen God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

God Bless.

This is my point, the writers of the Bible knew how to hide spiritual things in plain sight, the entire Bible is filled with spiritual teachings, the gospel of John has many too.This is amazing, why? Because God gave us something, that is not for everyone to know, something to know more of Him.
 
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This is my point, the writers of the Bible knew how to hide spiritual things in plain sight, the entire Bible is filled with spiritual teachings, the gospel of John has many too.This is amazing, why? Because God gave us something, that is not for everyone to know, something to know more of Him.

"that is not for everyone to know, something to know more of Him"

I'd say not only know more of Him ... but actually know Him .. His loving character ;o)
and he does want everyone to know Him ... but unfortunately many will and do ignore Him.

Good Post. God Bless.
 
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"that is not for everyone to know, something to know more of Him"

I'd say not only know more of Him ... but actually know Him .. His loving character ;o)
and he does want everyone to know Him ... but unfortunately many will and do ignore Him.

Good Post. God Bless.

Yes, you are right, to truly know Him.

Do you notice the similarity between "Peniel" and the "pineal" gland? So Jacob had a spiritual fight with God and he called that place, where the fight took place, "Peniel", and remember, this was a spiritual fight, it had nothing to do with the physical world.

Peniel in hebrew is translated to "Penuel", "Pniel" or "Pnuei".

Something tells me that there is so much more about the Word of God.

Just few days ago I had an out of body experience, they happen by chance, this is not under my control, anyway, I've seen a draw near this draw there was this light, this "fountain of light", the light was alive and moving, Jesus used the expression "the living water", this is the best description of what I've seen, the light was fluid, moving and alive.At first the draw was unclear but when I got closer to that light I could see the draw, it was Jesus Christ on the Cross, the whole draw was covered in red.
 
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Yes, you are right, to truly know Him.

Do you notice the similarity between "Peniel" and the "pineal" gland? So Jacob had a spiritual fight with God and he called that place, where the fight took place, "Peniel", and remember, this was a spiritual fight, it had nothing to do with the physical world.

Peniel in hebrew is translated to "Penuel", "Pniel" or "Pnuei".

Something tells me that there is so much more about the Word of God.

In the strongs both in the mentioned verses are translated into the same.

Strong's Concordance

Penuel: "face of God," a place East of the Jordan, also two Israelites
Original Word: פְנוּאֵל
Part of Speech: proper name; location; masculine a.
Transliteration: Penuel
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-oo-ale')
Definition: "face of God", a place East of the Jordan, also two Israelites
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from panim and el
Definition
"face of God," a place E. of the Jordan, also two Isr.
NASB Translation
Peniel (1), Penuel (8).

Something tells me that there is so much more about the Word of God.

Word of God is an absolute divine masterpiece. It's alive and active!

Hebrews 4:12

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
 
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In the strongs both in the mentioned verses are translated into the same.

Strong's Concordance

Penuel: "face of God," a place East of the Jordan, also two Israelites
Original Word: פְנוּאֵל
Part of Speech: proper name; location; masculine a.
Transliteration: Penuel
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-oo-ale')
Definition: "face of God", a place East of the Jordan, also two Israelites
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from panim and el
Definition
"face of God," a place E. of the Jordan, also two Isr.
NASB Translation
Peniel (1), Penuel (8).

Something tells me that there is so much more about the Word of God.

Word of God is an absolute divine masterpiece. It's alive and active!

Hebrews 4:12

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

I use Strong's concordance too ( amazing work ).

Yes, I know, I have so much more to learn about the Word, I've read a lot about it but I could never see beyond the literal meanings.
 
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I use Strong's concordance too ( amazing work ).

Yes, I know, I have so much more to learn about the Word, I've read a lot about it but I could never see beyond the literal meanings.

The more one studies the more light is given. Continue on my friend and you will be blessed with understanding beyond you thought was ever possible. ;o)

May the Holy Spirit continue to give you light as you study His Word. Amen
 
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This is my point, the writers of the Bible knew how to hide spiritual things in plain sight, the entire Bible is filled with spiritual teachings, the gospel of John has many too.
Yes and no. It may seem amazing to us modern western thinkers, but to ancient speakers of Semitic languages like Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic, maybe not so much.

Semitic languages are structured for multiple layers of meanings. Hebrew has 4 recognized layers of meaning and a college buddy who was devout Sunni Muslim told me that the Arabic in the Koran has 7.

That is hard for us western linear thinkers to comprehend but it is true.
 
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Yes and no. It may seem amazing to us modern western thinkers, but to ancient speakers of Semitic languages like Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic, maybe not so much.

Semitic languages are structured for multiple layers of meanings. Hebrew has 4 recognized layers of meaning and a college buddy who was devout Sunni Muslim told me that the Arabic in the Koran has 7.

That is hard for us western linear thinkers to comprehend but it is true.

Interesting.We, the believers of Christ, we are waiting for Christ to return but what if He is already here, what if He returned now 2000 years ago when the Holy Spirit was given to man? Think about it, for the last 2000 years humanity have known so much evil that it's beyond imagination and yet God did "nothing", looking back at the old testament we see how God acted in certain situations.What if God is already here and He is working through all the people who have faith in Him, Jesus talked about showing our light to the world ( Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.") You see, He says "your light", we know that He is the Light of the world and yet He says that we have that kind of light too.This was said before the Holy Spirit was given to man.We see the same thing in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.".Do you notice something? He said that He is the Light of the world ( John 8:12 ) and then He goes on saying that WE ARE TOO.Now, I do still believe that He is going to come back at the end of the days, I am only talking about His return through the Holy Spirit.

The church did exactly the opposite thing for the last 2000 years, the penalty for sin was paid fully by Jesus, God and Man became ONE in Jesus and in Him we all can be ONE with God, no, this is totally different from the new age teachings, we are not God and could never be, we are created but we can be ONE with Him through Jesus Christ, we are in God but God is not in us, for us to be ONE with God we need to surrender to Him so that He may dwell in us.People have no idea how loving is God, this is the most purest and greatest love mankind can ever experience....

I've read all the gospels several times and I could never see more into the Word but after my experience where I've seen Jesus on the cross, well, things changed, it's like I see more and I know more.
 
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Notice something? We know that every man is a sinner, right, even that blind man was a sinner, right? Then, why Jesus says that if you were blind, you should have no sin? It's clear that He does not talk about physical blindness, He talks about spiritual blindness, so that it means that anyone who is spiritually blind is not under the curse of sin.Interesting, but what it means to be spiritually blind? Well, we also learn from John 9:41, it means to not know the Light, the pharisee were aware of the Light, Jesus Christ, that's way Jesus said: "but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."; they were totally against the Light, they were not just evil but they were of Satan, that's why Jesus said that their father is the devil, Satan.So not every man is a sinner, only the ones who are aware of the Light and yet they hate it.


That is completely false. Everyone is a sinner, if you are blind it means you are unable to see the light, which is Christ. But that doesn't mean you are not a sinner. Rom 3:23 - For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

1 John says if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us.
 
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That is completely false. Everyone is a sinner, if you are blind it means you are unable to see the light, which is Christ. But that doesn't mean you are not a sinner. Rom 3:23 - For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

1 John says if we say we have no sin we lie and the truth is not in us.

It's not me who said it but Christ, read it once again, I know very well what the Bible says, every man is a sinner, yet Jesus said those words.

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

The Word of God holds teachings other than the ones you get by reading it plainly.

Jesus said in John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Then in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid."

You see, He said that we, the belivers, we are the light of the world too.
 
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It's not me who said it but Christ, read it once again, I know very well what the Bible says, every man is a sinner, yet Jesus said those words.

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

The Word of God holds teachings other than the ones you get by reading it plainly.

Jesus said in John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Then in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid."

You see, He said that we, the belivers, we are the light of the world too.
I’m wondering about your view of Christ as our mediator?
 
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It's not me who said it but Christ, read it once again, I know very well what the Bible says, every man is a sinner, yet Jesus said those words.

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

The Word of God holds teachings other than the ones you get by reading it plainly.

Jesus said in John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Then in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid."

You see, He said that we, the belivers, we are the light of the world too.

I see as what is being said here as:

Matthew 6:22-23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


The pharisees had an evil eye, although they claimed they could see, the light that was in them was darkness. The blind, according to the pharisees, like the publicans and sinners, didn't have an evil eye, in that they were not hypocrites, they didn't try to pretend that they were better than they were, they didn't have an evil eye, so to the pharisees they appeared blind. In reality, the Pharisees were still blind because they were unable to receive the true light Jesus Christ himself.

But according to Jesus Christ, because the sinners and publicans who did not have an evil eye they were hence were not filled with darkness. Although blind by the pharisees standard, they were able to receive true light for their eye, Jesus Christ himself, and thus receive light and have their whole body full of light.

Likewise, those who have received Jesus Christ, have received light in our bodies, and we are become the light of the world as Jesus said, because we have Jesus Christ and the Spirit of truth abiding in us.

That scripture cannot mean what you said it as that there are some without sin because the bible doesn't contradict itself. Romans 3:3- For all have sinned and fallen short... The wages of sin is death. Therefore because we all die, we know all have sinned. Therefore we all need Jesus Christ.
 
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I see as what is being said here as:

Matthew 6:22-23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


The pharisees had an evil eye, although they claimed they could see, the light that was in them was darkness. The blind, according to the pharisees, like the publicans and sinners, didn't have an evil eye, in that they were not hypocrites, they didn't try to pretend that they were better than they were, they didn't have an evil eye, so to the pharisees they appeared blind. In reality, the Pharisees were still blind because they were unable to receive the true light Jesus Christ himself.

But according to Jesus Christ, because the sinners and publicans who did not have an evil eye they were hence were not filled with darkness. Although blind by the pharisees standard, they were able to receive true light for their eye, Jesus Christ himself, and thus receive light and have their whole body full of light.

Likewise, those who have received Jesus Christ, have received light in our bodies, and we are become the light of the world as Jesus said, because we have Jesus Christ and the Spirit of truth abiding in us.

That scripture cannot mean what you said it as that there are some without sin because the bible doesn't contradict itself. Romans 3:3- For all have sinned and fallen short... The wages of sin is death. Therefore because we all die, we know all have sinned. Therefore we all need Jesus Christ.

Please, read it once again:

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

We are here in the context where Jesus healed that blind man and then He goes on saying to the pharisee that if they were blind they should have no sin.It's clear that He does not talk about physical blindness because the Bible says that every single human being is under the curse of sin, every single one.He talks about spiritual blindness, He talks about the people who don't truly know good and evil, think about children, think about all the people who are unaware of what is truly good and what is truly evil, think about the city of Nineveh, through Jonah the Light came to that city, they were blind and this is the very reason God gave them the chance to save themselves.They accepted the Light and because of this they were saved.This is not a contradiction, this is something more, something that we don't fully understand.

Jonah 4:11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

who cannot tell their right hand from their left = spiritually blind


Yes, we all need Christ, He is the way, the only way, I am not leaving Christ out, I am showing you His own words who are very clear but you don't want to hear them... There is so much more to the Word of God, so much more... You know, all these insights came to me after I saw Jesus Christ in one of my dreams, I saw Him on the cross, the whole image was red, from that moment one I started to read and understand more about the gospel of John.
 
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1 John has much to say about the way to Christ.

1 John - I simply love the entire gospel of John, it's so full of light and love... Christ is God, we are not and could never be God but through Christ we can be One with God... The greatest sacrifice and the greatest act of love, Satan desired to be God but it's impossible to be the Creator when you are the creation, God made a way for us to be One with Him, that way is Jesus Christ, this is the very reason Satan hates humanity so much, we have something that he will never have, we have Christ, the only way to God.
 
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1 John - I simply love the entire gospel of John, it's so full of light and love... Christ is God, we are not and could never be God but through Christ we can be One with God... The greatest sacrifice and the greatest act of love, Satan desired to be God but it's impossible to be the Creator when you are the creation, God made a way for us to be One with Him, that way is Jesus Christ, this is the very reason Satan hates humanity so much, we have something that he will never have, we have Christ, the only way to God.
When I mentioned mediator it’s that is our way to have Christ, therefor the Father, because their is no other way to Him.
 
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Please, read it once again:

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

We are here in the context where Jesus healed that blind man and then He goes on saying to the pharisee that if they were blind they should have no sin.It's clear that He does not talk about physical blindness because the Bible says that every single human being is under the curse of sin, every single one.He talks about spiritual blindness, He talks about the people who don't truly know good and evil, think about children, think about all the people who are unaware of what is truly good and what is truly evil, think about the city of Nineveh, through Jonah the Light came to that city, they were blind and this is the very reason God gave them the chance to save themselves.They accepted the Light and because of this they were saved.This is not a contradiction, this is something more, something that we don't fully understand.

Jonah 4:11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

who cannot tell their right hand from their left = spiritually blind


Yes, we all need Christ, He is the way, the only way, I am not leaving Christ out, I am showing you His own words who are very clear but you don't want to hear them... There is so much more to the Word of God, so much more... You know, all these insights came to me after I saw Jesus Christ in one of my dreams, I saw Him on the cross, the whole image was red, from that moment one I started to read and understand more about the gospel of John.

I am aware this is about spiritual blindness. I see what your saying and that is a good interpretation if your meaning was along the lines of Paul who said without the law there is no imputation of sin, nevertheless sin reigned from Adam upon all even though they haven't sinned because when Adam sinned we all sinned with him and died with him. Adam and Eve were made without sin, they were naked and unashamed they didn't know what sin was. Yet when God made the decree against Adam and Eve, they clearly sinned as they disobeyed God's law. The bible says when they ate it their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked and ashamed, even though they were naked before they sinned. It really is a mystery because while this sounds right, I also was thinking along what I posted with regards to spiritual blindness and that may be right to, or they both may be right.

My interpretation is coming from when Isiah mentioned that blindness is happened to Israel, God told him to make these people see without seeing and hear without hearing, lest they be converted and healed. Paul also said: "For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in."

That is the spiritual blindness I was talking about. The blindness of those that rejected Christ and crucified him. They said they saw meaning they were self-righteous because they thought the law made them righteous but really didn't see the true righteousness which came by faith in Christ, as a result they condemned themselves and remained in their sin because of their unbelief. I don't think it is talking about ignorance of sin here as spiritual blindness, because after the fall the bible teaches everyone is a sinner (Romans 3, 4 and 5). You said those who are aware of the light and hate it are the sinners but the bible teaches that sin is a transgression of the law, and all unrighteousness is sin. Therefore everyone born in the world is a sinner, those who break God's law, the ten commandments, which is all of us even those sinners who have never heard the law still do it because the law is written on our hearts, our conscience. Therefore all the world is guilty and will be without excuse on judgement day because we all have a conscience, a law unto itself (romans 3).
 
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