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I believe in celestial marriage because the Bible states:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

I've seen that verse a thousand times. That says nothing about temples or marriage for eternity. Marriage usually makes for population growth and children are a gift from God. I have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Eternal life doesn't depend on marriage or having children.
 
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I've seen that verse a thousand times. That says nothing about temples or marriage for eternity. Marriage usually makes for population growth and children are a gift from God. I have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Eternal life doesn't depend on marriage or having children.
You are correct about life eternal. A person needs to keep the commandments to have life eternal:
(New Testament | John 17:3)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

However we are talking about the celestial here are we not? The celestial is the third heaven:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 12:1 - 3)

1 IT is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

 
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I've seen that verse a thousand times. That says nothing about temples or marriage for eternity. Marriage usually makes for population growth and children are a gift from God. I have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Eternal life doesn't depend on marriage or having children.
It does not give a time constraint on a man and a woman, IOW it is an eternal relationship, not necessarily at death do we part.

The key to this scripture is when it says, "in the Lord". A marriage can only be eternal when it is done "in the Lord". We know it means that you are married by one who has the power and authority to pronounce upon you an eternal marriage. One who holds the keys of the kingdom of God which are the binding and loosing powers. If you are bound by a person holding these keys, God and heaven recongnize your marriage and it will be recognized throughout the eternities because it was done, "in the Lord".
 
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I've seen that verse a thousand times. That says nothing about temples or marriage for eternity. Marriage usually makes for population growth and children are a gift from God. I have children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Eternal life doesn't depend on marriage or having children.
You will be immortal and will live forever, but unless you have been married, "in the Lord", you are not going to be in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom.

You can be in a lower level of the highest kingdom, but you will not be able to advance or increase. You will be single and not married, so you will be stopped from further growth. That should make sense, because if you choose not to produce children, there is no other way to increase, so you will stop yourself from increasing.
 
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You will be immortal and will live forever, but unless you have been married, "in the Lord", you are not going to be in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom.

You can be in a lower level of the highest kingdom, but you will not be able to advance or increase. You will be single and not married, so you will be stopped from further growth. That should make sense, because if you choose not to produce children, there is no other way to increase, so you will stop yourself from increasing.

Wait, why should not being able to have children stop one from eternally ascending to greater states of being? Granted you won't have children but how does that prohibit you from achieving a state of greater existence?
 
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It does not give a time constraint on a man and a woman, IOW it is an eternal relationship, not necessarily at death do we part.

If celestial marriage was a requirement for eternal life, the Savior would have said so.

The key to this scripture is when it says, "in the Lord". A marriage can only be eternal when it is done "in the Lord". We know it means that you are married by one who has the power and authority to pronounce upon you an eternal marriage. One who holds the keys of the kingdom of God which are the binding and loosing powers. If you are bound by a person holding these keys, God and heaven recongnize your marriage and it will be recognized throughout the eternities because it was done, "in the Lord".

We follow JESUS; Joseph Smith was a con man and habitual liar.

1 John 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

I have ETERNAL LIFE! Thank You, JESUS!
 
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You will be immortal and will live forever, but unless you have been married, "in the Lord", you are not going to be in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom.

Heaven does NOT have levels!

You can be in a lower level of the highest kingdom, but you will not be able to advance or increase. You will be single and not married, so you will be stopped from further growth. That should make sense, because if you choose not to produce children, there is no other way to increase, so you will stop yourself from increasing.

Twilight Zone! More false teachings!
 
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You are correct about life eternal. A person needs to keep the commandments to have life eternal:
(New Testament | John 17:3)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

However we are talking about the celestial here are we not? The celestial is the third heaven:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 12:1 - 3)

1 IT is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

Only those who were regenerated by the Holy Spirit love God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and keep the commandments.
 
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It isn't vial. Just plain isn't true. None of it makes me puke---all of it makes me angry. If our prophetess had ever said anything such as we are to be thankful to Satan for the fall and for us having children, that God was human before becoming a God and so will we, that God demands men to take plural wives under penalty of the first wife's death if she doesn't comply, that Jesus is a brother to Christ instead of His creator, that Jesus did not create everything and what He did create was out of existing matter, that only those men who have these wives and kept all the commandments will have their own planet to populate and that he then has to save those children as Jesus Himself did, that…….I would not be an SDA!!!
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Thankful to satan for the fall - never said that once. God was the architect of the creation of man, and knew that Adam would fall. satan simply and unwittingly beguiled Eve into partaking of the forbidden fruit, which began the physical process of the fall. It was in this state that they recongized they were naked and started to feel the affects of the fall, which lead to the pro-creation of children. No children being present before the fall, they were innocent and did not even understand that they were naked, so no physical production of children before the fall.

God was a human before becoming God - Jesus was human before becoming completely God.

God demands men to take plural wives under penalty of death if wife does not comply -
God was not going to put Emma to death. When God said she would be destroyed, he meant that she would not be saved in His kingdom, which is other words for being destroyed. For God to use the word "destroyed", meant he was not kidding around. He was angry with JS for delaying his attemp to commit himself and other church leaders to this doctrine because of the fall-out he felf would happen. So he too was threatened to hasten his compliance. They both did comply, but Emma was always irritated by the doctrine. I can understand why.

Jesus is the brother of satan - Is it more difficult to say Jesus is your brother, or to say Jesus is the brother of satan? Which is more difficult. Well as it turns out they are the same. So read John 20:17 again and again and again. Jesus tells us himself, that his Father is also our Father. That makes us brothers to Jesus, Right? Jesus also tells us that his Father is also his God, and he says that his God is our God. So in a double stamping of clearity. Jesus's Father and God, is our Father and God too. We are brothers.
That means that God is also the Father of satan. Therefore satan is our brother and is Jesus's brother too. A little complicated, but with a little study and some common sense, it comes to you over time.
What you have to remember about satan, the scholars have said over the centuries is that at one point in time, lucifer/satan was second only to Jesus next to God the Father. You would have been proud to be called the brother or sister of satan. You have to remember this time. All you remember is now, and it is not a proud time to be a brother or sister to satan.

Jesus did not create everything, and what he did create he created it out of existing matter - God the Father created everything spiritually in heaven, Genesis 1, before it was naturally created on the earth by his Son Jesus Christ Genesis 2. Jesus did create everything (all) that was created, including the earth, and everything above and below and to the sides.
The word "create" does not mean create something out of nothing. That concept was added 300 years after Christ to somehow boost the greatness of God. You can test yourself by trying to find out which day God created water, you will not find it, because the water existed before the 6 days of creation. So did the deformed earth. Which day did God create the earth? It does say, In the beginning God created the earth and the heavens. And we find, sure enough, God created the heavens in the 3rd day. But which day does it say he created the earth or the water on the earth? You will not find it, because they already existed, and God just used them to as part of the creation.

that only those men who have these wives and kept all the commandments will have their own planet to populate and that he then has to save those children as Jesus Himself did, that - First, plural wives are not essential to be eternally married and have eternal increase.
Second, we do not know exactly what it is like to be like God. It has been said that we will eventually create our own planet(s) and people those planets in the same way that God created and peolped our planet, and probably many planets just like ours. We have no idea how many planets God and His Son Jesus Christ have created. But I do know that if we can become like him and inherit all that he hath, one of the things we will inherit is the ability to create. So get used to it, and get involved, or be single and enjoy a beautiful surrounding but be stopped from further growth.

We have talked about all these things for years and you hold to what you think we believe since day one. It is quite different, but so what?
 
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Heaven does NOT have levels!



Twilight Zone! More false teachings!

Why are we judged according to our works, if heaven does not have levels.

If a person is judged for not doing any good works, will they be in the same position and at the exact same level as a person who produce much fruit for the kingdom of God. The answer is no. Heaven is a large place and many people will be in heaven. Which ones will be closer to God's mansion and which ones will be farthest away and still be in heaven.

All that believe will go to heaven, but as the scripture says, we are judged according to your works, which means, where we land in heaven. Makes sense.
 
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You are correct about life eternal. A person needs to keep the commandments to have life eternal:
(New Testament | John 17:3)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Joseph Smith was a liar.

However we are talking about the celestial here are we not? The celestial is the third heaven:

First Heaven:
Hosea 2:18
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and
with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Second Heaven:
Genesis 1:14-18
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Third Heaven(the dwelling place of God):
Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Revelation 22:2, 20-21
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.}




(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 12:1 - 3)

1 IT is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

AWESOME! To be caught up to the dwelling place of God is the glorious future of all Christians.
 
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Why are we judged according to our works, if heaven does not have levels.

If a person is judged for not doing any good works, will they be in the same position and at the exact same level as a person who produce much fruit for the kingdom of God. The answer is no. Heaven is a large place and many people will be in heaven. Which ones will be closer to God's mansion and which ones will be farthest away and still be in heaven.

All that believe will go to heaven, but as the scripture says, we are judged according to your works, which means, where we land in heaven. Makes sense.

Because everyone whose works become stubble will suffer a degree of everlasting punishment in hell according to their sins.

John 19:11-12
Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”

Deuteronomy 25:2-3
…then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt. He may beat him forty times but no more, lest he beat him with many more stripes than these, and your brother be degraded in your eyes.

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Matthew 11:20-24
“Woe to you, Chorazin. Woe to you, Bethsaida. For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you. And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You shall descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. Nevertheless I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”

Hebrews 10:28-29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
 
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Thankful to satan for the fall - never said that once. God was the architect of the creation of man, and knew that Adam would fall. satan simply and unwittingly beguiled Eve into partaking of the forbidden fruit, which began the physical process of the fall. It was in this state that they recongized they were naked and started to feel the affects of the fall, which lead to the pro-creation of children. No children being present before the fall, they were innocent and did not even understand that they were naked, so no physical production of children before the fall.

God was a human before becoming God - Jesus was human before becoming completely God.

God demands men to take plural wives under penalty of death if wife does not comply -
God was not going to put Emma to death. When God said she would be destroyed, he meant that she would not be saved in His kingdom, which is other words for being destroyed. For God to use the word "destroyed", meant he was not kidding around. He was angry with JS for delaying his attemp to commit himself and other church leaders to this doctrine because of the fall-out he felf would happen. So he too was threatened to hasten his compliance. They both did comply, but Emma was always irritated by the doctrine. I can understand why.

Jesus is the brother of satan - Is it more difficult to say Jesus is your brother, or to say Jesus is the brother of satan? Which is more difficult. Well as it turns out they are the same. So read John 20:17 again and again and again. Jesus tells us himself, that his Father is also our Father. That makes us brothers to Jesus, Right? Jesus also tells us that his Father is also his God, and he says that his God is our God. So in a double stamping of clearity. Jesus's Father and God, is our Father and God too. We are brothers.
That means that God is also the Father of satan. Therefore satan is our brother and is Jesus's brother too. A little complicated, but with a little study and some common sense, it comes to you over time.
What you have to remember about satan, the scholars have said over the centuries is that at one point in time, lucifer/satan was second only to Jesus next to God the Father. You would have been proud to be called the brother or sister of satan. You have to remember this time. All you remember is now, and it is not a proud time to be a brother or sister to satan.

Jesus did not create everything, and what he did create he created it out of existing matter - God the Father created everything spiritually in heaven, Genesis 1, before it was naturally created on the earth by his Son Jesus Christ Genesis 2. Jesus did create everything (all) that was created, including the earth, and everything above and below and to the sides.
The word "create" does not mean create something out of nothing. That concept was added 300 years after Christ to somehow boost the greatness of God. You can test yourself by trying to find out which day God created water, you will not find it, because the water existed before the 6 days of creation. So did the deformed earth. Which day did God create the earth? It does say, In the beginning God created the earth and the heavens. And we find, sure enough, God created the heavens in the 3rd day. But which day does it say he created the earth or the water on the earth? You will not find it, because they already existed, and God just used them to as part of the creation.

that only those men who have these wives and kept all the commandments will have their own planet to populate and that he then has to save those children as Jesus Himself did, that - First, plural wives are not essential to be eternally married and have eternal increase.
Second, we do not know exactly what it is like to be like God. It has been said that we will eventually create our own planet(s) and people those planets in the same way that God created and peolped our planet, and probably many planets just like ours. We have no idea how many planets God and His Son Jesus Christ have created. But I do know that if we can become like him and inherit all that he hath, one of the things we will inherit is the ability to create. So get used to it, and get involved, or be single and enjoy a beautiful surrounding but be stopped from further growth.

We have talked about all these things for years and you hold to what you think we believe since day one. It is quite different, but so what?


Total hooey. What part of be fruitful and nmultiply did JS not understand? You seriouskly belokieve God gives a coommkand but nobody caN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT?
 
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Joseph Smith was a liar.



First Heaven:
Hosea 2:18
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and
with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Second Heaven:
Genesis 1:14-18
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Third Heaven(the dwelling place of God):
Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Revelation 22:2, 20-21
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. {THE END.}






AWESOME! To be caught up to the dwelling place of God is the glorious future of all Christians.
The promise of living with God is to everyone who keeps the commandments:

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:40 - 47)

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 
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Total hooey. What part of be fruitful and nmultiply did JS not understand? You seriouskly belokieve God gives a coommkand but nobody caN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT?

Hahaha. Apparently human beings were like pandas...took a loooong time to get us to do the deed. That must be why there are so few people on the earth... :D

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Hahaha. Apparently human beings were like pandas...took a loooong time to get us to do the deed. That must be why there are so few people on the earth... :D

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You can laugh all you want, but stop for just a moment to give me the name of 1 child born to Adam and Eve while they were in the garden of Eden?

Better yet, give me a scriptural reference that Adam knew his wife Eve and she concieved and bore a son or daughter in the garden of Eden?

If you can't, then tell me why they did not?
 
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Total hooey. What part of be fruitful and nmultiply did JS not understand? You seriouskly belokieve God gives a coommkand but nobody caN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT?
No children before the fall. Prove me differently. If you cannot, then tell me why?
 
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Thankful to satan for the fall - never said that once. God was the architect of the creation of man, and knew that Adam would fall. satan simply and unwittingly beguiled Eve into partaking of the forbidden fruit, which began the physical process of the fall. It was in this state that they recongized they were naked and started to feel the affects of the fall, which lead to the pro-creation of children. No children being present before the fall, they were innocent and did not even understand that they were naked, so no physical production of children before the fall.

God was a human before becoming God - Jesus was human before becoming completely God.

God demands men to take plural wives under penalty of death if wife does not comply -
God was not going to put Emma to death. When God said she would be destroyed, he meant that she would not be saved in His kingdom, which is other words for being destroyed. For God to use the word "destroyed", meant he was not kidding around. He was angry with JS for delaying his attemp to commit himself and other church leaders to this doctrine because of the fall-out he felf would happen. So he too was threatened to hasten his compliance. They both did comply, but Emma was always irritated by the doctrine. I can understand why.

Jesus is the brother of satan - Is it more difficult to say Jesus is your brother, or to say Jesus is the brother of satan? Which is more difficult. Well as it turns out they are the same. So read John 20:17 again and again and again. Jesus tells us himself, that his Father is also our Father. That makes us brothers to Jesus, Right? Jesus also tells us that his Father is also his God, and he says that his God is our God. So in a double stamping of clearity. Jesus's Father and God, is our Father and God too. We are brothers.
That means that God is also the Father of satan. Therefore satan is our brother and is Jesus's brother too. A little complicated, but with a little study and some common sense, it comes to you over time.
What you have to remember about satan, the scholars have said over the centuries is that at one point in time, lucifer/satan was second only to Jesus next to God the Father. You would have been proud to be called the brother or sister of satan. You have to remember this time. All you remember is now, and it is not a proud time to be a brother or sister to satan.

Jesus did not create everything, and what he did create he created it out of existing matter - God the Father created everything spiritually in heaven, Genesis 1, before it was naturally created on the earth by his Son Jesus Christ Genesis 2. Jesus did create everything (all) that was created, including the earth, and everything above and below and to the sides.
The word "create" does not mean create something out of nothing. That concept was added 300 years after Christ to somehow boost the greatness of God. You can test yourself by trying to find out which day God created water, you will not find it, because the water existed before the 6 days of creation. So did the deformed earth. Which day did God create the earth? It does say, In the beginning God created the earth and the heavens. And we find, sure enough, God created the heavens in the 3rd day. But which day does it say he created the earth or the water on the earth? You will not find it, because they already existed, and God just used them to as part of the creation.

that only those men who have these wives and kept all the commandments will have their own planet to populate and that he then has to save those children as Jesus Himself did, that - First, plural wives are not essential to be eternally married and have eternal increase.
Second, we do not know exactly what it is like to be like God. It has been said that we will eventually create our own planet(s) and people those planets in the same way that God created and peolped our planet, and probably many planets just like ours. We have no idea how many planets God and His Son Jesus Christ have created. But I do know that if we can become like him and inherit all that he hath, one of the things we will inherit is the ability to create. So get used to it, and get involved, or be single and enjoy a beautiful surrounding but be stopped from further growth.

We have talked about all these things for years and you hold to what you think we believe since day one. It is quite different, but so what?


Hooey. What part of be fruitful and multiply did JS not understand? You seriously saying that God gives a command that nobody is able to understand? Just how dumb you think Adam and Eve were?
This is so lame I have no idea how anyone can believe this.

"You will learn, however, that if Adam did not fall, we would never have been born and could never progress to receive the fulness of joy Heavenly Father offers His children. We are blessed to have a more complete story of the Fall of Adam and Eve in Moses 4 than we can find in the Bible."
Genesis 3; Moses 4: The Fall

You teach God the Father was human before He became God. Jesus was never human before the incarnation--He was always divine, God became human to save us. JS, as with everything else, has it backwards.

We gone over this creation foolishness over and over---nobody seems to comprehend
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What exactly is so hard to understand that God created everything -- He created the earth--and then it tells that it was created without form and void and there was water on it. Why JS couldn't see it I don't know, except that he is not a true prophet of God, otherwise anyone can read this and understand, even a child.

I see---destruction doesn't mean destruction---
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This one time God didn't really mean what He said.

Because one planet fell now anyone who has their own planet populated with their children is going to have to save that planet as God the Father and His Son did---right---that is stated all over the bible, isn't it? I know one thing---JS had a wild imagination.
 
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You can laugh all you want, but stop for just a moment to give me the name of 1 child born to Adam and Eve while they were in the garden of Eden?

Better yet, give me a scriptural reference that Adam knew his wife Eve and she concieved and bore a son or daughter in the garden of Eden?

If you can't, then tell me why they did not?

Why do you think they never would have procreated if there had been no fall??? So, they fell before they had sex---so what?? For crying out loud---they had just been made alive, they had a whole world to take in, they had a God to know, she hadn't even been named yet! Do Mormons just up and have sex on a first meeting?
 
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Only those who were regenerated by the Holy Spirit love God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and keep the commandments.
I see that you didn't give any scriptural reference to what you said. However we need to repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, and thereafter to stay on the course of righteousness:

(New Testament | Matthew 4:17)

17 ¶ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:18 - 22)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

(New Testament | Mark 1:8)

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.


(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The kingdom of heaven is the celestial kingdom.
 
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