Time For Switching Sides On Mueller

Rion said:

What are you talking about? The Democrats have been talking about how Mueller has been compromised since he rained on buzzfeed's parade.

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Rion said:

They were campaigning for both sides. The purpose was to increase hostility.

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childeye 2 said:

It's possible you may be right about the extreme left and right positions, but it would depend on if and who they were micro targeting with these views. An extreme right view played to an extreme right person carries a positive connotation. I haven't seen all of the propaganda, but what I've seen is all intended as anti-Hillary. Have you seen any anti-Trump propaganda from Russia?

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mark46 said:

If the Russians interfere with our next presidential election, that would be true. I expect that Trump will say that Obama failed to deal with the interference (if he ever admits to it) and that his actions will help prevent it in 2020.
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Of course, it is more likely that Trump will continue to deny that the Russians interfered and blame the intelligence services for their faulty information, and Mueller for his incompetence and bias. However, I would note that his advisers will strongly advise against such an approach.

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John 1720 said:

I think the Russians achieved success beyond their wildest dreams in dividing the American people these last 2 years, as well as weakening the US president's diplomatic strength. Enemies of the United States don't have to worry about US policy so much if 1/2 the country is rabid to remove him from office. I'm sure Putin must be laughing at how easy it was to stir the pot and put America in a stew over their elected leader.

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mark kennedy said:

According to one of his supporters said he went 'white hot' over Comey saying he was mildly nauseous, at the thought he might have effected the outcome.

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John 1720 said:

I think the Russians achieved success beyond their wildest dreams in dividing the American people these last 2 years, as well as weakening the US president's diplomatic strength. Enemies of the United States don't have to worry about US policy so much if 1/2 the country is rabid to remove him from office. I'm sure Putin must be laughing at how easy it was to stir the pot and put America in a stew over their elected leader.

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cow451 said:

So the Russians want Mike Pence as the American President? Interesting.

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• Mark 3:24 “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
• Luke 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

• "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

• "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."
• "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."
• Khrushchev remarked in his speech in Yugoslavia, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you," a reference to the Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism", based on the concluding statement in Chapter 1 of the Communist Manifesto: "What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable". - Wikipedia quote

childeye 2 said:

This of course is a false narrative if you're trying to put forth the premise that the Russians were not anti-Hillary and subsequently not pro-Trump. Because I have not seen any anti-Trump propaganda from Russia on any news source, and have seen with my own eyes vast amounts of anti-Hillary stuff.

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• Russian trolls orchestrated divisive protests in the US about Trump — here are 9 that we know about

childeye 2 said:

Please consider that the spreading of only anti-Hillary propaganda is still going to result in dividing Americans, so don't be fooled by a false narrative meant to deceive you by subtly getting you to believe and preach that Russia wasn't for Trump. The real problem is that there are people who are vulnerable to such propaganda through no fault of their own, and false narratives just like I'm trying to point out in this post, are an effective form of psychological manipulation.

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childeye 2 said:

The Fact is: Either Russia was pro-Trump/anti-Hillary or they were not. Let this cleansing Truth wash over you, and then look at the evidence. It is clear to me that Russia was for Trump and I have provided the evidence in a prior post. Putin himself said he was pro-Trump. Trump while campaigning said that Putin calls him brilliant. Do you believe Trump and Putin or do you think it's probable that Putin thought that Hillary was brilliant too? Apply some introspection here. If you ignore the facts and wish to believe that all Americans were equally targeted, then you are primed to accept all of the false implications that come with it. And one of those is a divided America, one side that believes Russia is for Trump and the other who doesn't. I would rather be divided by the truth than stand together over a lie.

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John 1720 said:

The current Russian Regime simply wants to counter and stop anything or anyone that runs counter to their own interest. Their strategy is divide and conquer. All I am saying is there is little doubt that worked out well for them, perhaps beyond their wildest dreams. They have taken advantage of political divisions elsewhere in the world as well as inciting demonstration against both parties domestic to the US. It doesn't appear we are very adept at countering these strategic divisions. The bottom line is that this has weakened our international reputation, our policies and our ability to make deals beneficial to our nation and really beneficial to both domestic and international tranquility.

• Mark 3:24 “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
• Luke 11:17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls.

The Great Republican President believed the Bible when he echoed that maxim against the dangerous crisis that was tearing the nation apart. It was the question of slavery that divided us back then. And it is irrational political zeal these days, which is the underlying cause of our disunity. Another cause I will add it is the lack of decorum and an outright disrespect for the Constitution that has served us so well as a nation for these last 230 years. It may not be perfect but I cannot think of another nation that has been better served by its founders. Unity was the most important part of our Union. It almost seems comical to have to say that but Lincoln did:

• "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

The former Soviet Leader and leader of the Communist Party once said:

• "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."
• "You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."
• Khrushchev remarked in his speech in Yugoslavia, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you," a reference to the Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism", based on the concluding statement in Chapter 1 of the Communist Manifesto: "What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable". - Wikipedia quote

In conclusion Putin is only acting out of the classic ideology, which has forged its present course to reestablish its former Soviet "glory" - so called. We should not therefore be surprised that he has taken a strategic initiative to divide us and weaken us as a nation. However, we should be surprised by political leaders who espouse the ideology that led to the Soviet Unions ultimate collapse and augment Putin's initiatives.

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cow451 said:

IOW they want Pence to take over.

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1. "They want to take over" OR
2. "We're in their way" OR
3. "Let's keep them tripping over themselves in front of a worldwide audience so we can get the rest of the world to come to the Russian Ballet

John 1720 said:

No, that would be much too trivial. But they may want us to think that is all they are after.
In other words

1. "They want to take over" OR
2. "We're in their way" OR
3. "Let's keep them tripping over themselves in front of a worldwide audience so we can get the rest of the world to come to the Russia Ballet

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cow451 said:

Occams razor.

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John 1720 said:

Yes, so simple I don't know why so many miss it.

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wing2000 said:

Putin: Divide America by exploiting divisions along tribe, creed and race
Trump: Politically exploit those same divisions.

What a team.

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John 1720 said:

Hello Childeye the 2nd,
Perhaps you may want to consider switching your news sources, as you seem to be lacking information that Mueller investigative council exposed quite early.

• Russian trolls orchestrated divisive protests in the US about Trump — here are 9 that we know about

So what I said was not a false narrative.

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Again, what I said was not propaganda. Russia from the beginning tried to sow discord among us. They succeeded in mobilizing it. Yes, the left bought into it more than the right but both sides need to be wary of this. BTW: I did not say one word here against Hillary Clinton so that in and of itself is a false narrative.

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It's my opinion Trump has been alot tougher on Russia than Hillary would have been but that is simply my subjective opinion, since we'll never know her as President. Russia stands to gain much more by dividing Americans than backing a particular leader and I'll double down on that reality rather than believe Putin cares one bit if a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House.
United we stand, divided we fall. Everyone knows that or at least they should unless they want to wind up on the refuse heap of other nations that didn't pay attention to history.

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John 1720 said:

No, that would be far too trivial. But they may want us to think that is all they are after. They want something far more reaching:
In other words

1. "They want to take over" OR
2. "We're in their way" OR
3. "Let's keep them tripping over themselves in front of a worldwide audience so we can get the rest of the world to come to the Russian Ballet

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cow451 said:

Pence/Pelosi/Putin. What a great team.

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