How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?

Ttalkkugjil said:

Yes, actually she did. It was considered as necessary for her health.

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That was not an abortion.

Justified112 said:

None of that means that God has abdicated his authority to earthly governments. Sorry, but you are simply incorrect in the way you handle those texts. You reading something into those texts that are not there.

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You have no scripture to explain your position against evil rulers or bad laws or Scripture-comes-first?
I've been looking for it as well.

55 Bible verses about Government - Knowing Jesus – Bible

FireDragon76 said:

That just shows how misogynistic your whole case against abortion is, that you equate concern for a woman's life with propaganda.

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How about the lives of the little girls who are murdered? I care very much about women and girls and don't like to seem them murdered.

Abortion is not health care because a baby is not an illness or a diseases. Misogyny would be the position that murdering infant girls in the womb is acceptable.

SkyWriting said:

You have no scripture to explain your position against evil rulers?
I've been looking for it as well.

55 Bible verses about Government - Knowing Jesus – Bible

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I am working from the scriptures YOU provided. And none of them support your claims. I don't pit the Bible against itself. I simply reject your poor exegesis of Scripture.

Justified112 said:

No, abortions are never done in hospitals. Abortion violates the Hippocratic oath. They terminate pregnancies, but they do not do abortions. The problem lies with the assumption that ALL terminated pregnancies are "abortions."

Abortions are done at the murder mills you call "clinics."

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The hippocratic oath is symbolic only. It mentions gods and goddesses as well, traditionally, something that is understood as only a symbol. Many modern medical oaths do not mention abortion.

Abortions are performed in hospitals, rarely, especially medically complex abortions, as this article will attest to:

Why Are Abortions Performed in Clinics, Not Hospitals?

Justified112 said:

No, abortions are never done in hospitals. Abortion violates the Hippocratic oath. They terminate pregnancies, but they do not do abortions. The problem lies with the assumption that ALL terminated pregnancies are "abortions."

Abortions are done at the murder mills you call "clinics."

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There are no laws claiming that murder happens at such places.
So it doesn't.

Justified112 said:

I am working from the scriptures YOU provided. And none of them support your claims. I don't pit the Bible against itself. I simply reject your poor exegesis of Scripture.

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You have a satanic bible that supports your position? Which passages?

Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all.


Acts 17:10-11
The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.

So to, you must suffer under local laws, and live and die by them.

Justified112 said:

How about the lives of the little girls who are murdered? I care very much about women and girls and don't like to seem them murdered.

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Good for you. Don't have an abortion yourself, then. But you have no right to tell the rest of us what is and is not murder.

Justified112 said:

That was not an abortion.

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Yes it was. How would you possibly know?

Justified112 said:

I simply reject your poor exegesis of Scripture.

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I support what it says. That's not so poor.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Justified112 said:

How about the lives of the little girls who are murdered? I care very much about women and girls and don't like to seem them murdered.

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Some women get pregnant under a variety of situations.

If you are to treat others as you would have them treat you
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under what situations would you want them determining the outcome of your pregnancy?

If you allow voters to make that decision for life, what happens if they vote against life?

So to ensure you have the ability to support the pro-life position always, then you must insist that Government does not decide for you....as it does in some countries.

The Pro-Life position must support the women's option to choose life. Else you might loose that option due to majority rule.

No Username Found said:

My question is more centered around their logic and justification in supporting abortion. With so much scripture that condemns abortion, how can a Christian hold true to the Word of God and support abortion at the same time?

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To be Pro-Life life, means ensuring that the majority does not make the decision for you.
Becasue you might not always have the majority on your side.

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Ttalkkugjil said:

Yes it was. How would you possibly know?

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Because hospitals don't do abortions. Terminating a pregnancy isn't an abortion and abortions violate the Hippocratic oath.

Justified112 said:

Because hospitals don't do abortions. Terminating a pregnancy isn't an abortion and abortions violate the Hippocratic oath.

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The hospital my friend was at performed an abortion on her.

SkyWriting said:

Some women get pregnant under a variety of situations.

If you are to treat others as you would have them treat you
then
under what situations would you want them determining the outcome of your pregnancy?

If you allow voters to make that decision for life, what happens if they vote against life?

So to ensure you have the ability to support the pro-life position always, then you must insist that Government does not decide for you....as it does in some countries.

The Pro-Life position must support the women's option to choose life. Else you might loose that option due to majority rule.

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No, the pro-life position speaks to the value of every human life. As it stands now, we have people trying to play "God" by deciding who lives and who dies based on what is convenient for the living.

Women do get pregnant for a variety of reasons and none of those reasons justify murdering babies. We don't need to vote for or against abortion. Abortion is murder and murder is already against the law.

The internal contradiction in your view is that God abdicated his authority and transferred that authority to the government. But the government says murder is against the law. And as such, if your argument is that we must obey the government, even at the expense of obeying God, then you would have to support banning abortion since abortion is murder and the government has outlawed murder.

By supporting abortion, you are violating your principles in that you are supporting murder which is against the law.

Ttalkkugjil said:

The hospital my friend was at performed an abortion on her.

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No, they terminated a pregnancy. They did not perform an abortion.

SkyWriting said:

I support what it says. That's not so poor.

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No, you don't support what it says. You read into what it says. You project your own personal agenda onto what it says. It simply tells us to live at peace as good citizens of the government and to obey the laws it sets forth that are right and reasonable for us to obey. It does not say that God abdicated His authority to human governments. So yes, it is poor exegesis on your part.

FireDragon76 said:

Good for you. Don't have an abortion yourself, then. But you have no right to tell the rest of us what is and is not murder.

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Yes I do. Abortion is the taking of innocent human life. It is murder in every sense of the word. You may not want to accept that, but it IS murder and that is the only correct way to characterize it. Unborn babies are just as human and just alive as we are, albeit in an earlier stage of development.

SkyWriting said:

You have a satanic bible that supports your position? Which passages?

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No, a satanic bible would be one that supports the murder of babies in the womb. I simply reject your mishandling of the Bible to support something as demonic and evil as abortion.