How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?
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And about half of all fertalized eggs reach the birth stage, under normal circumstances. Who should we blame for those murders?
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And you have that choice. But I think you were asking for other input from others who do think that women have the decision.
Real story - A 13 yo child comes to middle school and her mom carries her baby to show her classmates why she was out of school. So the babies father is in jail for raping his stepdaughter. The question is, should you have been consulted? Do you plan to support and raise the baby while father is in jail?
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May I ask if this story was on the news and if so, which story was it?
Personally, what I could do at this point in my life is maybe pray for this family; since I don't think I have the resources or the skills needed at this point to care for a baby since I am still a student, but I do hope if hypothetically a similar situation happens again (I sure hope not) where the baby needs adoption that there would be Christian couples in the position to and who are willing to adopt.
Rape is a reprehensible act that should never happen, but as tragic as it is I do not believe abortion is the answer though I would hope that the needs of the woman would be attended to as well.
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My wife told the story about one of her students. I doubt it was ever in the papers. What was unusual is that the older mother went through with the pregnancy.
But my question is, when does the public think they should be consulted in this story? Will they evaluate step-dad in jail and determine that the mom and two children remain safe and with an income? Or will they just wave anti-abortion signs on the street curbs?
Which side is giving this in-depth, careful thought and which is not?
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Scripture says not to judge others sins. Plain and simple.
100 Bible Verses about Judging Other People - OpenBible.info
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Skywriting, just to be clear, you only think abortion is morally acceptable because the law in the country you live in says it is, right?
If either the law changed or you moved to a country where abortion was illegal you would change your belief and agree that it was wrong and immoral, right?
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It says judge not lest you be judged (Matthew 7:1). It also says that Christians ought to hold each other accountable for our decisions (James 5:19-20). Bottom line, to call adultery or murder a sin is likewise to pass judgment—but it’s also to agree with God. When Jesus said not to judge others, He did not mean that no one can identify sin for what it is, based on God’s definition of sin. “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly” (John 7:24). Notice in this passage, it doesn't say we are never to judge. Rather, we are not to judge superficially, hypocritically, harshly, falsely, or self-righteously.
Me speaking out against sin is not "judging others" and opposing sin is not wrong. John the Baptist spoke out against Herodias for her adultery with Herod (Mark 6:18–19). She eventually silenced John, but she could not silence the truth (Isaiah 40:8).
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You brought up a really good point.
@SkyWriting given the fact that abortion is clearly the murder of the innocent life in the womb, if legislation was passed to outright ban abortions for any other reason other than medical necessity, would you support it? Why or why not? After all, secular legality determines your morality, not the Bible.
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Of course I would. When anyone runs for office they check the record of their actions based on the laws in place at that time. The public (Christians too) are not concerned about their "personal morality." Only if they followed the law.
If you break the law, people don't want you to represent them.
I think as a Christian voter, you'd do the same. But I don't know about you.
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Nope. Death of a pregnant woman carries two counts of aggravated murder in many instances.
But abortion does not. Neither does miscarriage by negligence.
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One can be a Christian and be pro-choice, but one cannot have a coherent theology and be pro-choice. You cannot take the Word of God, as written and biblically defend abortion. God hates murder and abortion by every metric, is murder. Christians who support abortion are a poor witness and bring reproach upon Christ. They will have to answer to the Lord for that one day when they stand before him and have to give an accounting for their lives. I would not want to be a pro-choice Christian on the day when I have to stand at the judgment seat of Christ.
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You might not understand others, but you can't claim you have the only coherent theology. That's a dumb boast.
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God is first, with over half of Zygotes dying before birth. Doctors second, and abusers of women next. Or society causing too much stress by failing to support newborns in need. Something like that order. And Pro-Life supporters refusing to support every birth and just letting kids die becasue they "don't have the finances" to stop a murder. Or they give the slimey "It's not my responsibility" to stop a murder by sponsoring an unborn baby. Waaa Waaa
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Sounds more like an emotional response as opposed to answering the question. Why would someone be charged with a double murder for killing a pregnant woman but the pregnant woman isn't committing murder if she decided to have an abortion? Would not a doctor be convicted of murder if he intentionally killed a woman's unborn child against her will? It seems as though the only conclusion from your previous statement is that the only person with the authority to kill an unborn child is the mother.
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First, Justified did not claim that he had the "only coherent theology." However, It has been demonstrated on this thread that your theology and any pro-abortion Christian's theology is incoherent. Every scripture that you have cherry picked and stretched out of context in your attempt to justify abortion has been effectively countered with a very specific verse that directly declares your position to be unbiblical. Thus, you are then required to either abandon or dismiss those very specific verses or rationalize a self imposed contradiction. I have yet to see you provide a case in which abortion can be biblically supported. In the end, there is no other conclusion but that it is impossible for a Christian to hold true to the word of God and support the wicked practice of abortion....period. You have even admitted so in this very thread that you hold the secular laws of men over the supreme Word of God. You are in fact a stunning example which proves my statement in the OP to be valid and true.
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Sure you can. The Bible doesn't list all actions that are OK. It prohibits some things, and gives principles that allow us to decide other thing for ourselves.
Unfortunately neither of these things applies to abortion. Despite attempts to read things into texts that aren't there, there's no prohibition. There's also nothing that really helps us answer the question of when a person begins. Historically many Christians looked at the question as one of when a soul entered the body. But they had no real objective way to judge that. Today we're more inclined to look at fetal development. That's the viewpoint of the Supreme Court (at least in the past), and I think most Americans tend to think that way as well. In some sense it's the modern equivalent of the traditional question about ensoulment.
Historical Christian prohibitions were part of general attitudes towards sexuality that most Christians (at least in the US) don't share. That's why abortion was prohibited from conception, even though most authorities didn't think it was murder until some time during development, if at all.
The current "all abortion is murder" is not the historical one. The change didn't, as far as I can tell, occur for any rational reason. I think it was part of the politicization of "traditional values."
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