The Love of money is the life of all men

paul becke said:

Yes. That Psalm I quoted is in line with the whole burden of scripture. Seeking wealth -

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Psalm?

psalm911 said:

No man can serve two masters, you cannot serve God and man.

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We serve God by serving fellow man. We do not worship or idolize (a) man.

psalm911 said:

You can not serve God and man: including yourself.

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Galatians 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Also, "the ox that turns the wheel should eat freely", and, "the laborer is worthy of his pay".

psalm911 said:

Romans 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own SOUL; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

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Yes, there are those.

psalm911 said:

The Love of money is the root of all evil the scripture says. The root is referring to life and the evil in that scripture is referring to men.

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But "root" can tell us something which "life" does not, I would say.

Also, what "life" do you mean? I would say certainly not the eternal life of God's love. Also, the wages of sin is "death"; so saying there is "life" can be not clear as much as would be good.

And we have >

"But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives." (1 Timothy 5:6)

So, there is living which has a person "dead". And you wrote, in the first post of this thread >

the love of money is the LIFE of all MEN

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. . . as what could be taken to be part of a Bible quote. But the scriptures I know do not say the love of money is the life of all men, but loving money is "the root of all evil." And we know that certainly the love of money is not the life of all men, since ones have the life of Jesus in living in His love.

So, what do you really mean, by writing this, if this is what you meant to write?

psalm911 said:

What the scripture is saying is that the love of money is the life of all evil men: which is the opposite of all holy men whose life is Jesus: the Holy Spirit.

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Thank you for taking the time to make yourself clear

There is translation work which says the love of money is "the" root of all evil, and other work says "a" root of all evil.

How about in cultures which don't mainly depend on money? In back jungles uncivilized, maybe with family style villages, how about here? Also, for sort of an example > in Mongolia ones live as families most of the year in their open plain portable round huts, away from market locations and other nomadic families.

I think of this > even if ones are not functioning with money so they are consciously loving it, still they love what money can be used to get. So, there is the consideration of why ones love money. Even without it, that root and "life" is still there.

"be content with such things as you have" (in Hebrews 13:5)

There is the control and pleasure which people want, really, with or without the money; and in their selfish nature enough is not enough.

The love of money may be as the modern translations put it, "a root of all kinds of evil," but it is not really as the KJV puts it "the root of all evil." Because desire for sex is the root of the love of money. Men need to make lots of money to get a wife. So the love of sex produces the love of money. That's why celibates can let go the love of money. Meaning the love of money is not the root of all evil, but a symptom of the true root of all evil. No man can serve two masters; you cannot serve God and sex; And if you try, then you end up serving mammon.

Precisely. Jesus' own words.

david shelby said:

The love of money may be as the modern translations put it, "a root of all kinds of evil," but it is not really as the KJV puts it "the root of all evil." Because desire for sex is the root of the love of money. Men need to make lots of money to get a wife. So the love of sex produces the love of money. That's why celibates can let go the love of money. Meaning the love of money is not the root of all evil, but a symptom of the true root of all evil. No man can serve two masters; you cannot serve God and sex; And if you try, then you end up serving mammon.

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An interesting point - up to a point. I mean, insofar as people with a low sex-drive can be and are sometimes be driven by coveting power and status in a spirit of narcissism. Some wordly prelates for instance, not just today, but historically.

Ttalkkugjil said:

Psalm?

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Psalm 49. The Psalmist doesn't pull his punches, any more than Jesus did ; and he compared the rich man in the Parable of Lazarus (the beggar) unfavourably, in relation to the street-dogs, who, in their hapless, stumbling compassion showed their cross-species solidarity with Lazarus by licking his sores.

Jesus had to generalise like the rest of us, in order to make sense of the world for our benefit, but of course, his parables contain important truths, nevertheless.

ewq1938 said:

No interpretation was offered. I just repeated what happens in the parable. The people that made money were rewarded and the one who didn't had the money taken from him and given to the other person. That's not interpretation, that's just the facts of the parable. There is a difference between loving money to the point of sinfulness, and being wise and using money to earn money in a non-sinful way.

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No. You take it all literally, but he Bible is not a simple narrative, but a compendium of different literary genres - his very parables are meant to be illustrative, noit historical. (Although, today, I beiieve it is universally acknowledged that history alway comes to us through the subjective prism of its author).

I don't believe the 'talents' are to be taken literally as the historical worldly currency, or figuratively, as different aptitudes and skills, but figuratively, as symbolizing the gift to us of Charity or selfless love - and in this parable whether we let it atrophy in pursuit of personal enrichment by way of materiaiism, by burying it in the ground ; as good a metaphor for the suffocating riches of the Dives-type of rich man, imho, as the 'thorns and brambles' elsewhere.

paul becke said:

Psalm 49. The Psalmist doesn't pull his punches, any more than Jesus did ; and he compared the rich man in the Parable of Lazarus (the beggar) unfavourably, in relation to the street-dogs, who, in their hapless, stumbling compassion showed their cross-species solidarity with Lazarus by licking his sores.

Jesus had to generalise like the rest of us, in order to make sense of the world for our benefit, but of course, his parables contain important truths, nevertheless.

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Not quite sure what you're on about there paul. Psalm 49 doesn't mention Lazarus.

Ttalkkugjil said:

Not quite sure what you're on about there paul. Psalm 49 doesn't mention Lazarus.

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'and Jesus compared the rich man', Tlalkkugjil. Perhaps, I should have written, 'the latter'.