Mueller summary released; no exoneration

friend of · Mar 24, 2019

Mueller found that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy but did not 'exonerate' the president on obstruction

AND YET:

Attorney General William Barr delivered his summary of the special counsel Robert Mueller's main findings in the Russia investigation on Sunday.
Mueller was tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, whether members of the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the race in his favor, and whether Trump sought to obstruct justice when he learned of the investigation's existence.
According to Barr's summary, Mueller "determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgement" with respect to whether Trump obstructed justice.
But Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein concluded that Trump did not commit an obstruction-of-justice crime.
Mueller also found that neither Trump, nor anyone on his campaign, "conspired or coordinated with Russia" during the election.
Mueller also "states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

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To the skeptics... If Mueller's report does not implicate Trump in any wrongdoing in regard to Russian collusion OR obstruction, then what exactly does it do?

HTacianas · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
Mueller found that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy but did not 'exonerate' the president on obstruction

AND YET:

Attorney General William Barr delivered his summary of the special counsel Robert Mueller's main findings in the Russia investigation on Sunday.

Mueller was tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, whether members of the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the race in his favor, and whether Trump sought to obstruct justice when he learned of the investigation's existence.

According to Barr's summary, Mueller "determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgement" with respect to whether Trump obstructed justice.

But Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein concluded that Trump did not commit an obstruction-of-justice crime.

Mueller also found that neither Trump, nor anyone on his campaign, "conspired or coordinated with Russia" during the election.

Mueller also "states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

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To the skeptics... If Mueller's report does not implicate Trump in any wrongdoing in regard to Russian collusion OR obstruction, then what exactly does it do?

Investigators generally do not exonerate anyone at all. They either find evidence of a crime or they do not.

friend of · Mar 24, 2019

HTacianas said:
Investigators generally do not exonerate anyone at all. They either find evidence of a crime or they do not.

True, but like, the report admittedly found no evidence of the things the investigation set out to uncover. Though not officially stated, this report kinda does, in a way, exonerate Trump.

mark kennedy · Mar 24, 2019

When the report is finally released it will be used politically, I always expected that it would. This is not unlike the Clinton email scandal and I doubt seriously we have heard the last of collusion accusations and that's not the only issue that could emerge over the next couple of years. Trump will enjoy a break from the drama but if he decides to go after his enemies now he will blow his political capitol and have nothing left for the reelection. I personally don't think he can resist.

HTacianas · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
True, but like, the report admittedly found no evidence of the things the investigation set out to uncover. Though not officially stated, this report kinda does, in a way, exonerate Trump.

It does exonerate him. It's just that it's never stated in so many words. It leaves the door open to "just because there's no evidence of collusion doesn't mean there was no collusion".

And lucky for us, the stupid will never die.

friend of · Mar 24, 2019

mark kennedy said:
I personally don't think he can resist.

I think he has to resist, from a strategic perspective, because he is so outnumbered as it is, he really cannot afford to go on the offensive with his detractors and other opponents. He needs to preserve everything he can or risk overexerting himself.

hedrick · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
To the skeptics... If Mueller's report does not implicate Trump in any wrongdoing in regard to Russian collusion OR obstruction, then what exactly does it do?

As I understand it, to obstruct justice you have to try to hide a crime. But Mueller found that there was no crime of conspiracy. For Trump to fire people to avoid their releasing things that would embarrass him is not obstruction of justice, though I regard it as a kind of corruption. The same acts would be obstruction if the thing he was trying to hide was a crime.

It's worth noting that Mueller didn't clear Trump of anything. He didn't find enough evidence to prosecute. Quite possibly (we won't know without seeing the report, and maybe not even then) he didn't find evidence at all.

There are lots of things that are suspicious, but without knowing what was said in key conversations it's hard to see how conspiracy could be proven. This is the same kind of thing that frustrated Republicans about Clinton. Someone can do things you don't like without being chargeable. To be chargeable it has to be not just wrong but a crime, and there has to be enough evidence to make reasonable case in court. I'm willing to accept that this is the case with Trump.

When this started I thought the suspicions were serious enough that conspiracy between Trump and Russia was possible. Having watched Trump for a couple of years I'm no longer so sure. He seems to have a general tendency to support strongmen. It's quite likely that he would support Russia naturally, without being involved in any conspiracy.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 24, 2019

The report does not exonerate Trump.

mark kennedy · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
I think he has to resist, from a strategic perspective, because he is so outnumbered as it is, he really cannot afford to go on the offensive with his detractors and other opponents. He needs to preserve everything he can or risk overexerting himself.

He already has, just making some noise but I can't imagine Trump just putting this behind him. The Mueller report isn't the only investigation, the SDNY is looking in to campaign finance crimes and a host of other issues.

AvilaSurfer · Mar 24, 2019

This whole kerfuffle sounds really familiar. It reminds me of election night 2016. The left can’t believe what just happened. My response is LOLOLOL......

JacobKStarkey · Mar 24, 2019

My response is that the AG, the guy Trump hired, says Trump is not exonerated: not a glowing rating.

Albion · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
To the skeptics... If Mueller's report does not implicate Trump in any wrongdoing in regard to Russian collusion OR obstruction, then what exactly does it do?

It doesn't offer a finding that the president did not collude (or fly to the planet Krypton at sometime looking for gold, either), but you cannot actually exonerate anyone as a Special Counsel since there is no trial and his job is only to seek out any evidence if it is to be had. In this case, no evidence was to be found in 22 months of searching and taking testimony. In other words, it amounts to an exoneration in all but name since, in our country, if you are not guilty you are innocent.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 24, 2019

False analysis, Albion. Barr himself said the report does not exonerate Trump of all investigation.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 24, 2019

Trump says Mueller report "exonerated" him, AG says it didn't
Newsweek· 4 hours ago
The White House struck a similar tune, with Press Secretary Sarah Sanders also putting out a...

Trump did not collude with Russia. But he’s wrong to say ...
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-did-not...
But he’s wrong to say Mueller exonerated him. ... based on Mr. Barr’s Sunday summary, this did notreflect a broader coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. ... It is still not out ...

No Russia 'collusion', but Trump 'not exonerated' | Reuters.com www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/24/no-russia...Special Counsel Robert Mueller did not find that members of the Trump campaign "conspired or coordinated" with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election, Attorney General William Barr ...

Has the President Been Exonerated? - POLITICO Magazine www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/24/trump... 2 hours ago · Individual Number 1 has not been exonerated. Barr’s letter says nothing about the New York investigations into campaign finance, nor the many other investigations into the Trump

friend of · Mar 24, 2019

@JacobKStarkey

I don't think it surprises anyone that all the premier news outlets are reporting in such a way, as their bias against Trump is evident.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 24, 2019

You can argue with Barr, friend of, because I know I am complete and accurate in what I wrote.

Steve Petersen · Mar 24, 2019

friend of said:
Mueller found that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy but did not 'exonerate' the president on obstruction

AND YET:

Attorney General William Barr delivered his summary of the special counsel Robert Mueller's main findings in the Russia investigation on Sunday.

Mueller was tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, whether members of the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the race in his favor, and whether Trump sought to obstruct justice when he learned of the investigation's existence.

According to Barr's summary, Mueller "determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgement" with respect to whether Trump obstructed justice.

But Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein concluded that Trump did not commit an obstruction-of-justice crime.

Mueller also found that neither Trump, nor anyone on his campaign, "conspired or coordinated with Russia" during the election.

Mueller also "states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

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To the skeptics... If Mueller's report does not implicate Trump in any wrongdoing in regard to Russian collusion OR obstruction, then what exactly does it do?

Gotta give you credit for the great spin in your thread title.

Albion · Mar 24, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
False analysis, Albion. Barr himself said the report does not exonerate Trump of all investigation.

Apparently you are saying that he is not immune from further investigation. Well, who is?

Albion · Mar 24, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
Trump says Mueller report "exonerated" him, AG says it didn't
Newsweek· 4 hours ago
The White House struck a similar tune, with Press Secretary Sarah Sanders also putting out a...

Trump did not collude with Russia. But he’s wrong to say ...
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-did-not...
But he’s wrong to say Mueller exonerated him. ... based on Mr. Barr’s Sunday summary, this did notreflect a broader coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. ... It is still not out ...

No Russia 'collusion', but Trump 'not exonerated' | Reuters.com www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/24/no-russia...Special Counsel Robert Mueller did not find that members of the Trump campaign "conspired or coordinated" with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 election, Attorney General William Barr ...

Has the President Been Exonerated? - POLITICO Magazine www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/24/trump... 2 hours ago · Individual Number 1 has not been exonerated. Barr’s letter says nothing about the New York investigations into campaign finance, nor the many other investigations into the Trump

Give us some source that is known to be even somewhat impartial and we will talk a look.

Zanting · Mar 25, 2019

friend of said:
Mueller found that there was no Trump-Russia conspiracy but did not 'exonerate' the president on obstruction

AND YET:

Just to clarify...

Mueller left Rod Rosenstein and William Barr to determine if President Trump obstructed justice in any way and it was they who determined there was insufficient evidence of any obstruction of justice on the part of President Trump. Rod Rosenstein and William Barr exonerated him according to William Barr's four page summary. And nothing that would support any criminal activity on the part of the President.

President Trump has been exonerated of "collusion" and obstruction of justice. Of course the left will not accept the report, but it only makes them look even more desperate in their efforts to bring down Your President.

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