SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

Hammster · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually God's WORD does say that it is only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that are saved. Did you read any of the scriptures posted to you in the previous posts? Now if God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do what God's WORD asks us to do are we BELIEVING God's WORD or not BELIEVING God's WORD?

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God bless.

Was Abraham made righteous by faith, or faith plus something else?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Hammster said:
Was Abraham made righteous by faith, or faith plus something else?

You tell me what do these scriptures mean?

JAMES 2:17-26
[17], Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.
[18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21], Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[22], See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23], And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24], You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25], Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do it then we are not believing God.

God bless.

Hammster · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
You tell me what do these scriptures mean?

JAMES 2:17-26
[17], Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.
[18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21], Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[22], See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23], And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24], You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25], Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do it then we are not believing God.

God bless.

For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." - Romans 4:3

So again, was he made righteous by faith, or faith plus something else?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Hammster said:
For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." - Romans 4:3

So again, was he made righteous by faith, or faith plus something else?

Your ignoring the scriptures posted to you.

JAMES 2:17-26
[17], Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.
[18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21], Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[22], See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23], And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24], You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25], Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do it then we are not believing God's WORD now are we. The Devils believe but do not follow will they be saved?

God bless.

Hammster · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Your ignoring the scriptures posted to you.

JAMES 2:17-26
[17], Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.
[18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21], Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[22], See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23], And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24], You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25], Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do it then we are not believing God's WORD now are we. The Devils believe but do not follow will they be saved?

God bless.

You are ignoring scripture.

For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." - Romans 4:3

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Hammster said:
You are ignoring scripture.

For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." - Romans 4:3

Nope I believe all of God's WORD. Both ROMANS 4:3 and JAMES 2:17-26 which says that those who do not do what God says do not BELIEVE God's WORD. Do you see how JAMES 2:17-26 defines what it means to BELIEVE GOD? Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his people. BELIEVING and not following is the faith of the devils (v19).

God bless.

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually God's WORD does say that it is only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that are saved *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; MATTHEW 7:22-23. Did you read any of the scriptures posted to you in the previous posts? Now if God's WORD tells us to do something and we do not do what God's WORD asks us to do are we BELIEVING God's WORD or not BELIEVING God's WORD?

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13; ROMANS 13:8-10. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God bless.

3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John

Now then, the question is, what is the jurisdiction of the law?

3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Romans

6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans

3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians

There was a problem in the church at Galatia in that certain people were telling the Galatians that even though they were saved by grace, they were still "under the law". Paul refutes this so harshly, that in the beginning of his Epistle he actually stated:

1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians

When Paul says (by inspiration) "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law"; this shows us that there are those who are NOT "under the law". Then three chapters later Paul tells us WHO isn't "under the law" ... "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace". Believers are no longer "under the law"; that means we are no longer "under" its condemning authority, or jurisdiction.

That is why Paul further explained to the Galatians what the purpose of the law was ... a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ". Then Paul continued, "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (the law).

I'm not saying the law of God, (the 10 Commandments) is to be ignored, or that God will say, Oh, do whatever!

What I am saying is that once the schoolmaster has served its purpose, we are no longer under its condemning power. Paul made that very clear.

Salvation is about believing. Paul believed, yet he admitted struggling with sin ... yet, he was still saved.

Again, I hear from you that keeping the Sabbath (7th day worship) is pretty much a sin that if not observed means I'm not in obedience, which means I'm not saved.

I believe there are millions of Christians worldwide that truly worshipped God today, and He was pleased with their worship. When we understand we are both saved, and kept by God's grace, it is much easier to serve Him in love.

Hammster · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope I believe all of God's WORD. Both ROMANS 4:3 and JAMES 2:17-26 which says that those who do not do what God says do not BELIEVE God's WORD. Do you see how JAMES 2:17-26 defines what it means to BELIEVE GOD? Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his people. BELIEVING and not following is the faith of the devils (v19).

God bless.

James is discussing the evidence of faith. It’s very clear. So in essence, you are correct that His people will follow His word. But it’s indicative, not imperative. Otherwise, Paul would have said so.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John

Now then, the question is, what is the jurisdiction of the law?

3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Romans

6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans

3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians

There was a problem in the church at Galatia in that certain people were telling the Galatians that even though they were saved by grace, they were still "under the law". Paul refutes this so harshly, that in the beginning of his Epistle he actually stated:

1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians

When Paul says (by inspiration) "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law"; this shows us that there are those who are NOT "under the law". Then three chapters later Paul tells us WHO isn't "under the law" ... "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace". Believers are no longer "under the law"; that means we are no longer "under" its condemning authority, or jurisdiction.

That is why Paul further explained to the Galatians what the purpose of the law was ... a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ". Then Paul continued, "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (the law).

I'm not saying the law of God, (the 10 Commandments) is to be ignored, or that God will say, Oh, do whatever!

What I am saying is that once the schoolmaster has served its purpose, we are no longer under its condemning power. Paul made that very clear.

Salvation is about believing. Paul believed, yet he admitted struggling with sin ... yet, he was still saved.

Again, I hear from you that keeping the Sabbath (7th day worship) is pretty much a sin that if not observed means I'm not in obedience, which means I'm not saved.

I believe there are millions of Christians worldwide that truly worshipped God today, and He was pleased with their worship. When we understand we are both saved, and kept by God's grace, it is much easier to serve Him in love.

Indeed brother. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT the purpose of God's LAW is to ONLY give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 it does not save us. This is the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments). God's LAW does not make us perfect or are we saved by it. It's purpose is only to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

No one is "UNDER THE LAW" if they have been forgiven for all the sins that God has revealed to them. We are only "UNDER THE LAW" if we stand guilty before God of BREAKING the law when we know it is SIN *ROMANS 3:19-20; JAMES 4:17.

As posted earlier God's WORD makes a difference between KNOWN SIN and UNKNOWN SIN and God's WORD teaches (and I believe) that God's people are in every Church. These are those who are living up to all the truth in God's WORD that God has revealed to them because it is written; in times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth as we CONTINUE in his WORD *JOHN 8:31. Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30.

It is God's WORD that defines SIN as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17 and God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

ROMANS 7:7 [7],What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAIDN YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN...

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY YET IF YOU KILL YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

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As posted earlier OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (MATTHEW 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31). God is calling his people wherever they may be back to follow him according to his Word

God Bless

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed brother. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT the purpose of God's LAW is to ONLY give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 it does not save us. This is the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments). God's LAW does not make us perfect or are we saved by it. It's purpose is only to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

No one is "UNDER THE LAW" if they have been forgiven for all the sins that God has revealed to them. We are only "UNDER THE LAW" if we stand guilty before God of BREAKING the law when we know it is SIN *ROMANS 3:19-20; JAMES 4:17.

As posted earlier God's WORD makes a difference between KNOWN SIN and UNKNOWN SIN and God's WORD teaches (and I believe) that God's people are in every Church. These are those who are living up to all the truth in God's WORD that God has revealed to them because it is written; in times of IGNORANCE God does not hold us accountable to sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 until we RECEIVE a KNOWLEDGE of the truth as we CONTINUE in his WORD *JOHN 8:31. Once a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come God calls all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ACTS 17:30.

It is God's WORD that defines SIN as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17 and God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

ROMANS 7:7 [7],What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAIDN YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN...

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY YET IF YOU KILL YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

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As posted earlier OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (MATTHEW 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31). God is calling his people wherever they may be back to follow him according to his Word

God Bless

So, let's say that I have been saved for over 30 years, and somehow missed this. Are you telling me that if I now transgress a known law of God, I'm now under that Law, and therefore condemned to Hell unless I repent?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
So, let's say that I have been saved for over 30 years, and somehow missed this. Are you telling me that if I now transgress a known law of God, I'm now under that Law, and therefore condemned to Hell unless I repent?

Hello Jack, I am not telling you anything. I am only a sinner just like you are in need of a Saviour just as you. Neither do I judge you as your salvation is between you and God *PHILIPPIANS 2:12. I am only sharing God's WORD with you. It is God's WORD not my words that say all those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state before GOD not me * HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12. No one is saved while continuing in known unreptant sin, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4. In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when we receive a KNOWLEDGE of the truth God calls us the BELIEVE and FOLLOW His WORD *ACTS 17:30-31; ACTS 5:29. God is calling his people wherever they may be to come out from following man made teachings back to the WORD of GOD

God's Sheep where ever they may be will hear His Voice (the WORD of GOD)

Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

God bless.

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Jack, I am not telling you anything. I am only a sinner just like you are in need of a Saviour just as you. Neither do I judge you as your salvation is between you and God. It is God's WORD that says all those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are not in a saved state before GOD not me ** HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12. No one is saved while continuing in known unreptant sin, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4. In times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when we receive a KNOWLEDGE of the truth God calls us the BELIEVE and FOLLOW His WORD *ACTS 17:30-31; ACTS 5:29.

God bless.

Well, if you are a sinner just like me; it means that you know you are sinning, yet are unrepentant of those sins ... How exactly then is your standing before God different than mine?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
Well, if you are a sinner just like me; it means that you know you are sinning, yet are unrepentant of those sins ... How exactly then is your standing before God different than mine?

All I can do without him is sin for I am a sinner. I did not say that I am now sinning there is a difference as I have been cleansed from the sins I know about to walk in his Spirit. Who am I that he should love me? I love him because he first loved me and now I walk by faith in him that loves me and abide in him and he in me. Without him I can do nothing. His commands are his promises to me so I can follow him and walk in his ways. The victory that overcomes the world is only found in him and he is the Word that creates all things and works in those who believe. Those that do not believe are still in their sins and do not know him. There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known for those who seek to know him.

God bless.

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
All I can do without him is sin for I am a sinner. I did not say that I am now sinning there is a difference as I have been cleansed from the sins I know about to walk in his Spirit. Who am I that he should love me? I love him because he loves me but now I walk by faith in him that loves me and abide in him and he in me. His commands are his promises to me so I can follow him and walk in his ways. The victory that overcomes the world is only found in him and he is the Word that creates all things and works in those who believe. Those that do not believe are still in their sins and do not know him. There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

You did not say you are "now sinning", but does that mean you are saying you have conquered all sin? If so, that means you have achieved a greater feat than even the Apostle Paul. John said:

1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John

The church of the Nazarene teaches that we can reach sinless perfection. Have you reached such a plain; or are you still an active sinner?

My point here is that you are dwelling on ONE particular transgression. But as James says,

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James

So even if you observe the Sabbath, on the 7th day, but 'lie'; you are still guilty of all.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
You did not say you are "now sinning", but does that mean you are saying you have conquered all sin? If so, that means you have achieved a greater feat than even the Apostle Paul. John said:

1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John

The church of the Nazarene teaches that we can reach sinless perfection. Have you reached such a plain; or are you still an active sinner?

My point here is that you are dwelling on ONE particular transgression. But as James says,

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James

So even if you observe the Sabbath, on the 7th day, but 'lie'; you are still guilty of all.

Not at all brother. What you are saying is not what I am saying.

We are to grow in God's grace and the knowledge of God's WORD *JOHN 8:31-32. We all have temptation to sin (break any of God's Commandments) in those things we all know is sin *JAMES 4:17.

Temptation is not sin. JESUS tells us to pray that we are not lead into temptation *MATTHEW 6:13; LUKE 22:40. We are to watch and pray that we are not lead into temptation *MATTHEW 26:41. In times of temptation many fall away *MATTHEW 8:13. When we abide in Christ when we are tempted to sin God will make a way of escape for us *1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 and as we draw near to God he will draw near to us and as we resist the devil he will flee from us *JAMES 4:7. We must be careful not to harden our heart to the WORD of GOD we can fall into the temptation of UNBELIEF *HEBREWS 3:8.

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JAMES 1:12 Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

REVELATION 3:10 Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come on all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth.

HEBREWS 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness

REVELATION 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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JESUS saves us from sin not fo continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. Those who continue in SIN do not know God and need to be born again to love *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 5:2-3; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 3:31.

God bless.

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all brother. What you are saying is not what I am saying.

We are to grow in God's grace and the knowledge of God's WORD *JOHN 8:31-32. We all have temptation to sin (break any of God's Commandments) in those things we all know is sin *JAMES 4:17.

Temptation is not sin. JESUS tells us to pray that we are not lead into temptation *MATTHEW 6:13; LUKE 22:40. We are to watch and pray that we are not lead into temptation *MATTHEW 26:41. In times of temptation many fall away *MATTHEW 8:13. When we abide in Christ when we are tempted to sin God will make a way of escape for us *1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 and as we draw near to God he will draw near to us and as we resist the devil he will flee from us *JAMES 4:7. We must be careful not to harden our heart to the WORD of GOD we can fall into the temptation of UNBELIEF *HEBREWS 3:8.

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JAMES 1:12 Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

REVELATION 3:10 Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come on all the world, to try them that dwell on the earth.

HEBREWS 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness

REVELATION 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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JESUS saves us from sin not fo continue in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. Those who continue in SIN do not know God and need to be born again to love *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 5:2-3; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 3:31.

God bless.

So while you may not be sinning this very moment, you still knowingly sin ... correct?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
So while you may not be sinning this very moment, you still knowingly sin ... correct?

If we are not knowingly sinning this very moment why would you think we need to knowingly sin if we ask God not to lead us into temptation as we walk in His Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16? Salvation is from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
If we are not knowingly sinning this very moment why would you think we need to knowingly sin if we ask God not to lead us into temptation as we walk in His Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16? Salvation is from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36

Why are you projecting the idea that you are greater than the Apostle Paul?

Was Paul not surrendered to the Spirit? Was Paul not guided by the Spirit? Paul admitted, what you will not. Paul didn't say, I'm not sinning now. No, he said, he was the "chief" of sinners. You are taking the exact opposite position Paul took.

The closer Paul got to Christ; the more he saw his own sin, and did not try to hide it.

You are claiming that your life is much sinless, but Paul did the opposite. Paul tried to tell people that God knew of their weakness, you condemn people for not observing the Sabbath. One sin is as bad as the next.

There is no difference between the laws God gave Moses, that fell under the 10 Commandments, and the 10 Commandments themselves. Have you ever wondered why Jesus always referred to the Law of Moses? The Jews recognized Moses as the man that God gave His law to. Yes, God wrote the 10 Commandments in stone, but all of the other 603 Commandments fall under the 10 Commandments. The fact that God told Moses to enforce the other 603 Commandments means that God is the Authority of all of the Law. It isn't about keeping the law, it's a out knowing Christ.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 24, 2019

Dr. Jack said:
Why are you projecting the idea that you are greater than the Apostle Paul?

Was Paul not surrendered to the Spirit? Was Paul not guided by the Spirit? Paul admitted, what you will not. Paul didn't say, I'm not sinning now. No, he said, he was the "chief" of sinners. You are taking the exact opposite position Paul took.

The closer Paul got to Christ; the more he saw his own sin, and did not try to hide it.

You are claiming that your life is much sinless, but Paul did the opposite. Paul tried to tell people that God knew of their weakness, you condemn people for not observing the Sabbath. One sin is as bad as the next.

There is no difference between the laws God gave Moses, that fell under the 10 Commandments, and the 10 Commandments themselves. Have you ever wondered why Jesus always referred to the Law of Moses? The Jews recognized Moses as the man that God gave His law to. Yes, God wrote the 10 Commandments in stone, but all of the other 603 Commandments fall under the 10 Commandments. The fact that God told Moses to enforce the other 603 Commandments means that God is the Authority of all of the Law. It isn't about keeping the law, it's a out knowing Christ.

What makes you think I am projecting the idea that I am greater then the Apostle PAUL or any of the Apostles when I am only sharing exactly the same words they all are? You are so busy trying to find fault in the posts and scriptures provided to you that you are closing your eyes and ears to what is being shared with you my brother. What have I shared with you that is not God's WORD which is only shared with all love and kindness and as a help to you?

PAUL never said he was sinning he said he was the Chiefest of sinners just like I told you I am also a sinner because we all have a sinful nature and without JESUS we can do nothing but sin *ROMANS 7. He taught that our weakness is Christ strength and we are made perfect in our weakness by the power of God *1 CORINTHIANS 1:24; 1 CORINTHIANS 2:5; 2 CORINTHIANS 13:4; 1 PETER 1:5; ROMANS 1:16.

1 TIMOTHY 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Link the above scripture with the words of JESUS below and what do you think they mean?

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

What do you think those scriptures mean?

If the son of man shall set you free you shall be free indeed *JOHN 8:31-36; ROMANS 6; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16.

Many are called but few are chosen...

MATTHEW 7:22-23 [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity (SIN).

God bless.

Dr. Jack · Mar 24, 2019

1 TIMOTHY 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul didn't say, I was chief, he said, I AM chief. The present text means that Paul was saying that he was currently the chief sinner. Does that sound anything at all like what you are saying?

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