Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

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The Word of God, and the Most High God.

Before the first day was defined by separating light from darkness, everything created existed. The definition of a day is an evening (first), and then a morning.
Okay brother...the question I posed was specifically to sister miknik5 not anyone else. I feel that it is rude for you to have jumped in and answered a question not directed towards you so, I would appreciate if you stick to your own conversations as I have not done that to you.

Because the Hebrews... were Hebrew - and their original language is closest to modern Hebrew of today. Also, English is a poor representation of translated thought. It does not translate directly to convey original meaning. So, it is important to look at the original languages before injecting modern and post-modern analysis.
Yes but, we are not speaking Hebrew to one another we are speaking English. This thread is not about Hebrew or post modern analysis. I was born in an English speaking country therefore it would not be practical for me to jump to another language without first being able to comprehend and clearly communicate in my own language.

It is about both, or it should be. You can't have a week without a day - otherwise it is just periods of time. The first day is defined in Genesis 1:5.
While I am talking about the evening and the morning which is connected with the creation week: in my opening on the first page you will clearly see that I am specifically focused on Genesis 1:1-5. If we work backwards from v. 5 it will become clear:

"[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day."
The morning here is the beginning of the second day. The evening is the end of the first day. This also signifies that 1 Day = Morning and Evening. Therefore the beginning of the day is the morning while the end of the day is the evening.

"And God called the light Day and the Darkness He called Night.[...]"
God names the periods of light and darkness accordingly so we know what time it is when we see these signs. When we see the light it is Day, when we see the darkness it is Night...simple.

"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."
God calls the light good and shows through His dividing it from the darkness that they are two different periods of time and, that they are not to be mixed. After God separated the two from one another morning began with the appearance of light.

"And God said, 'Let there be light': and there was light."
God called out the light: and it appeared. And since the darkness was there when He called the light they were mixed which created twilight: a period where there it is neither light nor dark. Here God used His Spirit to help banish the darkness with the light.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
After God created the earth it had no shape at first and was empty of life; and the darkness was covering the waters which blocked out both from being seen. So God sent His Spirit to work.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
"In the beginning[...]" = Time (creation)
"[...]God created[...]" = Creator
"[...]the heavens[...]" = Space (creation)
"[...]and the earth[...] = Matter (creation)
God created time, space, and matter. Therefore the creation of time signified the beginning of time and the beginning of the first day of the week. God also subjected these three creations to be finite (i.e. have a beginning, middle, and an end).

Time is both philosophically, and mathematically arbitrary. A second is defined as 9 billion hyperfine transitions in a cesium atom. Time as humans know it is ridiculously flawed, and does not only behave linearly. Prophecy should be proof of this, as well as our promises.

The Most High God created a way to measure displacement between events, as that is what real time is - a change in events. This goes right back to the reason it was forever before evil befell the earth and made it dark.
Time is arbitrary based on man's definitions which conflict with one another. Time = Temporal = Time not Eternity, only Eternity = Forever. God's definition of time is simple and to the point. God specifically says in Genesis 1:14-19 that the Sun, Moon and stars are for signs, seasons, days, and years: therefore God created the luminaries to tell time: not atoms or anything else. And God's time is mathematically perfect and based off of the circuits of the luminaries which He created thus giving birth to the degrees of a perfect circle and a perfect square:

360 Degrees = 1 Heavenly Revolution
360 Degrees / 4 Quarters = 90 Degrees per Quarter


the degrees which the luminaries move are equal to one day...

360 Days = 1 Base Year
360 Days / 4 Seasons = 90 Days per Season

now the four divisions of the year are the four intercalary days which are at the end of each season...

360 Days + 4 Intercalary Days = 364 Days
364 Days / 7 Days = 52 Weeks per Year
52 Weeks / 4 Seasons = 13 Weeks per Season
13 Weeks x 7 Days = 91 Days per Season
91 Days x 4 Seasons = 364 Days
360 Days / 12 Months = 30 Days per Month
364 Days / 12 Months = 30.333333... Days per Month
1 Day x 7 Days = 1 Weekday
12 Hours of Light = 1 Day
12 Hours of Darkness = 1 Night

If the circle represents the heavens then the square represents the earth: and this is fitting as God created the great lights to give light upon the earth and, to divide the light from the darkness (Genesis 1:14-19). To find the number of hours and minutes we must divide the circle:

360 Degrees / 6 Parts = 60 Degrees per Part
60 Degrees x 6 Parts = 360 Degrees
360 Degrees /12 Parts = 30 Degrees per Part

as I have shown above 1 Degree = 1 Day therefore...

360 Degrees / 12 Months = 30 Days per Month
360 Days / 6 Two Month Periods = 60 Days per Two Months = 60 Sunrises and Sunsets


this means that 60 Minutes = 1 Hour because the sun rises and sets sixty times every two months...

this means that if we imagine a protractor with the base as the horizon and the arch as the path of the luminaries...

0 Degrees - 180 Degrees = 12 Hours = 1 Day

...therefore...

180 Degrees / 12 Hours = 15 Degrees per Hour

in order to find the number seconds in an hour...

1 Hour / 60 Minutes =
60 Seconds per Minute =
1/60th of a Minute =
1/3,600th of an Hour

If you are still in doubt read Nehemiah 9:3 where Nehemiah divides the day into quarters; 2 Kings 20:9 and Isaiah 38:8 where God moves the shadow on the sundial of Ahaz backwards by ten degrees; and, John 11:9 where Jesus declares there are twelve hours in a day: time is no illusion nor is it arbitrary according to God's Word.

The evening is the first part of the day.

The Morning is the second part of the day.

Evening-Evening = 1 full day.



I never said anything about twilight, but it seems you are confusing when the first part of the day begins: it begins at EVENING (or, the dark).
Please read my above proofs on this.
 
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Okay where did you read me saying that sunrise and sunset are the boundaries of the day?
I thought you meant that in the OP when you wrote,

Evening and Morning = 1 Day
Sunset and Sunrise = 1 Day
I simply explained that morning comes before sunrise just as evening comes before sunset.
Sigh...as for twilight...if you looked at my diagram you would see that it ends when morning begins; and twilight begins after sunset...
OK. Please answer my last comment/question I asked in the last post.

By the above two quotes, I conclude that you believe morning and evening are very short periods of time with morning ending at sunrise and evening ending at sunset. Is that correct?​
 
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I thought you meant that in the OP when you wrote,

Evening and Morning = 1 Day
Sunset and Sunrise = 1 Day

OK. Please answer my last comment/question I asked in the last post.

By the above two quotes, I conclude that you believe morning and evening are very short periods of time with morning ending at sunrise and evening ending at sunset. Is that correct?​
No, that is not what I meant in the opening but, since you're one of the first that I can remember asking to specify, now you know what I mean.
I never stated that I believed that morning or evening are very short periods of time...I didn't know I really needed to explain every small part of the day...sigh...but since you ask...

Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour


Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour

As you can see brother all of these parts and sub parts of the day make up the day as a whole. And the hours here are the number of hours between sunrise and sunset.
 
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Okay brother...the question I posed was specifically to sister miknik5 not anyone else. I feel that it is rude for you to have jumped in and answered a question not directed towards you so, I would appreciate if you stick to your own conversations as I have not done that to you.


Ok. Cheers.
 
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No, that is not what I meant in the opening but, since you're one of the first that I can remember asking to specify, now you know what I mean.
I never stated that I believed that morning or evening are very short periods of time...I didn't know I really needed to explain every small part of the day...sigh...but since you ask...

Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour


Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour

As you can see brother all of these parts and sub parts of the day make up the day as a whole. And the hours here are the number of hours between sunrise and sunset.
For sake of clarity
Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour = est 6 am sunrise - 7am
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour = 8-9am
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour =10-11am

Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour =12-1pm

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour = 2-3pm
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour = 4-5pm

Sunset = 11th hour = 6pm
Does that look about right to you?
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour
 
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For sake of clarity
Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour = est 6 am sunrise - 7am
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour = 8-9am
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour =10-11am

Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour =12-1pm

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour = 2-3pm
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour = 4-5pm

Sunset = 11th hour = 6pm
Does that look about right to you?
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour
Yes sister the timeframes you put are correct generally speaking. To measure the true solar hour use a protractor and point it at the Sun. Next move the arm on the protractor until it blocks the Sun to check how many degrees it has moved. Generally speaking the Sun moves 15 Degrees per Hour.
 
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For sake of clarity
Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour = est 6 am sunrise - 7am
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour = 8-9am
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour =10-11am

Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour =12-1pm

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour = 2-3pm
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour = 4-5pm

Sunset = 11th hour = 6pm
Does that look about right to you?
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour

OK--I don't get this at all. God counted the whole day as the evening and the morning. To this day, the Jews honor the Sabbath starting at sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Throughout the OT and NT the Jews started their 24 cycle from sundown to sundown, and named them as God had---day one to day 7.
I thought you were trying to be biblical? So why are you counting the start of the day at sunrise?--because that is the way the world starts a 24 hour day? It's midnight to midnight. I don't understand the significance of this. But then, I am not a math person.
 
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OK--I don't get this at all. God counted the whole day as the evening and the morning. To this day, the Jews honor the Sabbath starting at sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Throughout the OT and NT the Jews started their 24 cycle from sundown to sundown, and named them as God had---day one to day 7.
I thought you were trying to be biblical? So why are you counting the start of the day at sunrise?--because that is the way the world starts a 24 hour day? It's midnight to midnight. I don't understand the significance of this. But then, I am not a math person.
Hello sister and thanks for your comment! You do not to be a math wiz in order to understand the way God ordered time according to His Word, just basic reading and comprehension skills. The numbers only require you to have basic arithmetic.

That being said it is important that we separate the way God counts time from the way the world counts time. According to Genesis 1:1-5 God defines a day as when the light is out; when God called the light it became mixed with the darkness which gave birth to twilight--a period of time where it is neither day nor night; light nor dark--and, after dividing the light from the darkness the day could truly begin: therefore the appearance of light is the morning while the fading of light signifies the evening. And this is why Moses wrote: "[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day." because the evening was the end of the first day while the following morning was the beginning of the second day. Here's what Moses wrote in general:

Light (God) > Darkness > Light

and in particular Moses tells us...

Light (God) > Darkness > Light > Twilight > Morning > Evening

so we have...

|Day 01 |Night 01 |Day 02 |Night 02 |
[T]M__E[T]_____[T]M__E[T]_____[T]

Legend Key:
[T] = Twilight
M = Morning
E = Evening

As for the number of hours in a day read Nehemiah 9:3 where a day is defined as having four quarters and, John 11:9 where Jesus says there are twelve hours in a day.

Lastly do not confuse the morning with sunrise and the evening with sunset: for according to Genesis 1:1-13 the Sun, Moon and stars were not yet created therefore sunrise and sunset could not happen. It was not until Genesis 1:14-19 that sunrise and sunset were possible: therefore the day begins with the morning which is followed by sunrise, and ends with the evening which is followed by sunset.
 
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For sake of clarity
Morning:
Early Morning = 1st-2nd Hour = est 6 am sunrise - 7am
Mid Morning = 3rd-4th Hour = 8-9am
Late morning = 4th-5th Hour =10-11am

Noon:
Neither Morning nor Evening = 6th Hour =12-1pm

Evening:
Early Evening = 7th-8th Hour = 2-3pm
Mid Evening = 9th-10th Hour = 4-5pm

Sunset = 11th hour = 6pm
Does that look about right to you?
Late Evening = 11th-12th Hour
Okay I double checked your work and it is a bit off so, I will make the corrections below:

Morning:
01st Hour = 06a-07a
(Early Morning > Sunrise)
02nd Hour = 07a-08a (Early Morning)
03rd Hour = 08a-09a (Mid Morning)
04th Hour = 09a-10a (Mid-Late Morning)
05th Hour = 10a-11a (Late Morning)

Noon:
06th Hour = 11a-12p
(Neither Morning nor Evening)

Evening:
07th Hour = 12p-01p
(Early Evening)
08th Hour = 01p-02p (Early Evening)
09th Hour = 02p-03p (Mid Evening)
10th Hour = 03p-04p (Mid Evening)
11th Hour = 04p-05p (Late Evening)
12th Hour = 05p-06p (Late Evening > Sunset)

Legend Key:
'>' = Followed by
 
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OK--I don't get this at all. God counted the whole day as the evening and the morning. To this day, the Jews honor the Sabbath starting at sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Throughout the OT and NT the Jews started their 24 cycle from sundown to sundown, and named them as God had---day one to day 7.
I thought you were trying to be biblical? So why are you counting the start of the day at sunrise?--because that is the way the world starts a 24 hour day? It's midnight to midnight. I don't understand the significance of this. But then, I am not a math person.
If you need more detail then please read the OP on the first page of this thread. If you still have questions after reading then ask away.
 
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OK--I don't get this at all. God counted the whole day as the evening and the morning. To this day, the Jews honor the Sabbath starting at sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Throughout the OT and NT the Jews started their 24 cycle from sundown to sundown, and named them as God had---day one to day 7.
I thought you were trying to be biblical? So why are you counting the start of the day at sunrise?--because that is the way the world starts a 24 hour day? It's midnight to midnight. I don't understand the significance of this. But then, I am not a math person.
Agreed, there is no point. Most western countries start their day at Mid-night but so what?
 
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Okay I double checked your work and it is a bit off so, I will make the corrections below:

Morning:
01st Hour = 06a-07a
(Early Morning > Sunrise)
02nd Hour = 07a-08a (Early Morning)
03rd Hour = 08a-09a (Mid Morning)
04th Hour = 09a-10a (Mid-Late Morning)
05th Hour = 10a-11a (Late Morning)

Noon:
06th Hour = 11a-12p
(Neither Morning nor Evening)

Evening:
07th Hour = 12p-1p
(Early Evening)
08th Hour = 01p-02p (Early Evening)
09th Hour = 02p-03p (Mid Evening)
10th Hour = 03p-04p (Mid Evening)
11th Hour = 04p-05p (Late Evening)
12th Hour = 05p-06p (Late Evening > Sunset)

Legend Key:
'>' = Followed by
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OK--I don't get this at all. God counted the whole day as the evening and the morning. To this day, the Jews honor the Sabbath starting at sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. Throughout the OT and NT the Jews started their 24 cycle from sundown to sundown, and named them as God had---day one to day 7.
I thought you were trying to be biblical? So why are you counting the start of the day at sunrise?--because that is the way the world starts a 24 hour day? It's midnight to midnight. I don't understand the significance of this. But then, I am not a math person.
The discussion is not about the WHOLE Sabbath time.. It is about the DAY, which starts at sunrise and goes to sunset. It is what Yeshua was referring to when He made the comment about 12 hours in a day.
 
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The discussion is not about the WHOLE Sabbath time.. It is about the DAY, which starts at sunrise and goes to sunset. It is what Yeshua was referring to when He made the comment about 12 hours in a day.

I know it's not about Sabbath. I was using it as an example.
 
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Agreed, there is no point. Most western countries start their day at Mid-night but so what?
There is a point brother...if everyone starts their day at different times in general then that makes the particulars irrelevant. But because the Word of God clearly and simply defines a day and when it ends and begins: this proves that all who do not follow His standard are lost. And think about your last sentence: how does it make sense to begin the day in the middle of the night? Furthermore why would you begin the day asleep? In nature all things begin in the morning when the light comes out and end when it is evening.
 
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There is a point brother...if everyone starts their day at different times in general then that makes the particulars irrelevant. But because the Word of God clearly and simply defines a day and when when it ends and begins: this proves that all who do not follow His standard are lost. And think about your last sentence: how does it make sense to begin the day in the middle of the night? Furthermore why would you begin the day asleep? In nature all things begin in the morning when the light comes out and end when it is evening.


Are you really saying that anyone who lives their day from midnight to midnight is spiritually lost????
Where in the bible does it say that salvation is based on how you measure the day?.
 
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I know it's not about Sabbath. I was using it as an example.
To elaborate more on the Sabbath though dear sister the same principle of sunrise to sunset would mean that we only observe the Sabbath when the light is out (i.e. only the day but not the night). Observing it this way makes scheduling much easier and less stressful. I will make another thread covering the Sabbath.
 
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To elaborate more on the Sabbath though dear sister the same principle of sunrise to sunset would mean that we only observe the Sabbath when the light is out (i.e. only the day but not the night). Observing it this way makes scheduling much easier and less stressful. I will make another thread covering the Sabbath.


You are free to do whatever you want. I chose to go by what God set up---which is sunset to sunset.
 
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