Replacement Theology Refuted

Michael Collum said:

Ok. it seems the OP is out of conversation material.

I'll unwatch the thread, thanks for the conversation.

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So far the conversation has been pretty shallow; it certainly hasn't proffered any challenges to my exegesis. Bromides such as the church is spiritual Israel is not any real challenge. It doesn't eliminate the grammatical-historical intent of the OT texts I've cited, try as they might with such bromides.

Dave L said:

"Superficial" only voices your opinion without having any real substance behind it.

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But you have no substance in your one or two sentence responses. The perception the church is spiritual Israel does not eliminate the grammatical-historical intent of the OT scriptures that maintain the seed in Genesis 22:18 represents the collective sense of the biological descendants of Abraham, as well as Christ. The collective sense substantiates the NATION in Matthew 21:43 is the other house of Israel, and the fruit represents the gentiles.

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jgr said:

I don't see any J.H. Allen in the lists of recognized early true Church fathers, leaders, scholars, or apologists.

Orthodox doctrinal truth does not suddenly disappear without a trace from the ecclesiological landscape. If your covenantal racialization were orthodox doctrine, there would have been at least a modicum of evidence of its presence, for at least some period, however brief, in the early post-apostolic New Testament true Church. Such evidence would have been seen in the writing of at least some number, however small, of the true Church Fathers of that era.

Such evidence does not exist.

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I didn't say J. H. Allen was such an individual; he is of the previous generation. The ante-Nicene's were chiliast, which rebukes RT's perception of the age to come. The RT perception leads to post or amillennial results. So show us where the early post-apostolic era held the age to come represents the eternal estate and not the millennial kingdom of Christ. As I stated, the ante-Nicene's are not a reliable source to substantiate RT's eschatology or mine. It attempts to suppress progressive revelation.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Correctomundo dear brother of the Most High God!

New House New Stones
Matthew 3:9
"And no ye should be thinking to say in yourselves 'a Father we are having, Abraham'.
For I am saying unto ye, that is able the God, out of these stones<3037>, to rouse children<5043> to the Abraham. [Luke 3:8]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16
24 And he sounding said: "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus!, that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water, and should be cooling down the tongue of me,--
that I am being pained in this Flame<5395>."
26 And on all of these, between Us and Ye a great chasm hath been established, so that those willing to cross-over<1224> hence toward ye not be able to, no yet thence toward us may be ferrying<1276>.

1 Peter 2:5
And ye-selves as Stones<3037>, living, are being built a House, spiritual holy Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices well-acceptable to-the God thru Jesus Christ.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:1-2 "stone upon stone"

Luke 19:
38 saying, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven, and glory in the highest!"
39 Some of the Pharisees from the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"
40 and answering He said to them,
“I am saying to ye, that ifever these shall be being silent, the stones shall be crying out<2986>
41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,
42 saying, "that if Thou knew and Thou, even indeed in this day, the toward peace of Thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes. 43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee, and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee, and pressing Thee from-every-side.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the season of the visitation<1984> of Thee".

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My answer to your confusion would be:

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1:67-79

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Luke 2:25-32

Your response was, why quote from the OT? That is what makes these responses shallow, the RT belief the OT doesn't matter anymore! That is in conflict with:

2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

BTW, I'm a Christian that is neither a dispensationalist or covenantalist or zionist and that is all you need to know. If you want to get to know me resond with Christian love and respect and then we can properly communicate.

LittleLambofJesus said:

I responded to the OP using the Jews' own scripture about what was replaced.
Remember, THE JEWS DO NOT READ THE CHRISTIAN NT!!

Replacement Theology Refuted
Post # 47

What is replaced.........the OC Temple and Mosaic Priesthood...............

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
2 And Jesus answering said to him, “thou are beholding these, the great buildings.
Not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not no may be being thrown-down<2647>
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,

Hebrews 7:12
For being changed/translated<3346> the Priesthood,
out of necessity also, of Law a change/translation<3331> is becoming,

Revelation 1:6
And makes us kings and priests to the God and Father Him. To Him the glory and the might into the ages of the ages. Amen.

Revelation 5:10
And Thou make us kings and priests to our God and we shall be reigning on the land.

Revelation 20:6
Happy/Blessed<3107> the one having part in the first ressurection/standing-up<386> upon these the second death not is having authority,
but shall be being priests of the God and of the Christ and shall be reigning with Him the thousand years.
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Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priests for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

Malachi 2
1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the Lord of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring,a and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it

7 For the lips of a Priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
8 But you have turned aside from the way. You have caused many to stumble by your instruction.
You have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the Lord of hosts,
9 and so I make you despised and abased before all the people, inasmuch as you do not keep my ways but show partiality in your instruction.”

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ;
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers,.........The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness.
Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered.
The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts..............

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls;
At length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death. .........
Also, I recommend you read the rules of the forum. You could of left off "your confusion".

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Are you sticking to my post by trying to brand me as a Zionist? Are you attempting to call me names?

And RT concerns the replacement of the people of God, not the temple and etc. Your post fails to stay on point.

jgr said:

You have provided no historical substantiation in the early true Christian Church for your racialized assertions.

Your claims do not appear to differ materially from those of British Israelism, of which J.H. Allen was a proponent.

From the description of British Israelism: "Most Christians regard it as a cult."

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You avoided addressing the ante-Nicene's did not uphold RT's post and amillennial presumptions. There are no historical substantiations for RT teaching. And a cult would be anything that denies basic Christian, scripturally substantiated, teaching and my OP conveys that would be RT, albeit RT has its origins in the Roman church, the biggest accepted cultish church in history.

LittleLambofJesus said:

I asked it in the form of a question, not a statement.
And I also find this statement of yours "conversation has been pretty shallow" to be an affront to other members here, who are also striving for truth.

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I apologize for misspeaking. What I meant to say is that the substance of their posts is shallow, insomuch as they never address my exegesis but merely respond with RT retorts like the church is spiritual Israel--period.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Are you implying the RCC is a cult?

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It has cultish teaching like righteousness by works, Mary worship and numerous doctrines that are not taught in the scriptures.

LittleLambofJesus said:

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What is their stance concerning RT today?

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We must consider that the ante-Nicene's were chiliast and so RT can't take their origins back that far. It was the rearing of the Roman church that ended chiliasm and supplanted it with postmillennialism and the continued belief that the church replaced Israel, the latter thought held by Justin Martyr, an ante-Nicene patriarch. Consequently, the origins of RT actually finds itself in the Roman church and not any time prior, when considering post and amill must be joined to it. The Roman church is actually the biggest support of RT.