"j"esus culture and hillsong apostates

BNR32FAN · Mar 24, 2019

Romans 8 said:
Bethel music owns Jesus Culture. Hillsong was started in Australia and is now worldwide and affiliated at Bethel church throughout the world. They are thress heads on the same serpent.

Where did you find this information? I can’t find anything on the bethel church website or Hillsong website about either of them being affiliated.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 24, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
I just asked what false doctrines they believe and nobody would answer. I’m sorry I read a lot of posts and didn’t see any examples of their actual doctrines only claims of false doctrines.

Honestly, I was kind of done with this conversation thread. I'd recommend to skim through the thread for the videos and watch them, those are the meat of the discussion that people were chewing on.

Romans 8 · Mar 24, 2019

DamianWarS said:
I just don't have an ambition to comb over bethel's youtube video to find all the stuff they say that I don't agree with. If you want to post something, I'll watch it and comment on it.

Sure, have a look through this video, does this look Christian to you?

HatGuy · Mar 24, 2019

Romans 8 said:
I take that back. They are not officially owned by Bethel. They are "affiliated" with Bethel and perform at their churches and support Bethel's doctrines.

They're not really formally affiliated either. I don't see Bethel and Hillsong teaching the same doctrines. Hillsong is more conservative and global, Bethel is much less doctrinally conservative and much more American.

I could imagine a partnership between bands music wise as it makes a lot of marketing sense to put the two together.

The similarities between the two probably have more to do with artistic expression (music) and a particular approach to prosperity (both are arguably quite prosperity gospel, to a certain degree). Bill Johnson's approach to healing and his "Kingdom Now" doctrines are probably not compatible with Hillsong's much more conservative and actually diverse approach to theology. (Hillsong isn't really even Pentecostal if you ask me. Ever really heard them preach on tongues?).

Hillsong's problem, in my view, is a tendency to downgrade local church to growing a brand (I.E. relevance and seeker-sensitive methods trumps the gospel, so it can get wishy washy) while Bethel's doctrinal issues are far deeper.

HatGuy · Mar 24, 2019

Michael Collum said:
I'd agree, I was only commenting on the videos provided for this particular brand which is why I used the word "Charismanic"

I don't have an issue with mainstream charismatic and pentecostal churches that actually teach according to their statement of faith.

Ok thanks

amariselle · Mar 24, 2019

DamianWarS said:
I just don't have an ambition to comb over bethel's youtube video to find all the stuff they say that I don't agree with. If you want to post something, I'll watch it and comment on it.

I learned quite some time ago, through attempts to lovingly caution and warn family members regarding things they were getting involved in, that people need to be willing to do their own research. They rejected and dismissed everything I sent them.

If you want to know what they teach in more detail, look beyond the “Statement of Faith” and do your research.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 24, 2019

in terms of the association between bethel, hillsong, and jesus culture, I find the word "owns" strong since typing in the question in a search engine:

"does bethel own jesus culture" leads to a tangential association

amariselle · Mar 24, 2019

Michael Collum said:
in terms of the association between bethel, hillsong, and jesus culture, I find the word "owns" strong since typing in the question in a search engine:

"does bethel own jesus culture" leads to a tangential association

Jesus Culture is a band that formed at Bethel church.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 24, 2019

amariselle said:
Jesus Culture is a band that formed at Bethel church.

I see that. It provides a lot of illustration for circumstantial evidence. However, to claim that someone owns the other, we'd need to actually see legal documents or other evidence that establishes "ownership"

it's pretty obvious that they're "associated" I was just contesting the claim of being "owned" since there isn't enough evidence accessible for that claim in particular.

HatGuy · Mar 24, 2019

amariselle said:
I learned quite some time ago, through attempts to lovingly caution and warn family members regarding things they were getting involved in, that people need to be willing to do their own research. They rejected and dismissed everything I sent them.

If you want to know what they teach in more detail, look beyond the “Statement of Faith” and do your research.

Yes I had similar experiences. Then they also had issues with what I was involved with and sent me stuff to counteract my doctrine. Eventually, I realised you've got to give people time (including myself) and just lovingly have an open discussion here and then, and trust the Holy Spirit to guide into all truth (and when they finally come around, don't say "I told you so!"

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BNR32FAN · Mar 24, 2019

amariselle said:
For anyone who is interested in learning more about Bethel and why Christians need to be concerned about their false teachings and practices:

https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=20820

This is inconclusive without having read the book. Have you read the book to see if these claims are true? Here’s a website that says the Bible is evil and Jesus is a false messiah.

Jesus is a False Messiah – Evil Bible .com

Just because something is on the Internet doesn’t make it true. I’m sure you can find a website for every Christian denomination claiming it’s evil. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

Romans 8 · Mar 24, 2019

Michael Collum said:
I see that. It provides a lot of illustration for circumstantial evidence. However, to claim that someone owns the other, we'd need to actually see legal documents or other evidence that establishes "ownership"

it's pretty obvious that they're "associated" I was just contesting the claim of being "owned" since there isn't enough evidence accessible for that claim in particular.

It's not the point. If they are playing in Bethel churches it means they support Bethel church, their ministry, and their doctrines.

amariselle · Mar 24, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
This is inconclusive without having read the book. Have you read the book to see if these claims are true? Here’s a website that says the Bible is evil and Jesus is a false messiah.

Jesus is a False Messiah – Evil Bible .com

Just because something is on the Internet doesn’t make it true. I’m sure you can find a website for every Christian denomination claiming it’s evil. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

Please stop simply dismissing every objection to false teachers. That lengthy article is well researched and documented. They do their homework.

But this is why I won’t do anyone else’s research for them. If a person isn’t willing to know the truth, they won’t care how much clear evidence there is of grevious error.

amariselle · Mar 24, 2019

Michael Collum said:
I see that. It provides a lot of illustration for circumstantial evidence. However, to claim that someone owns the other, we'd need to actually see legal documents or other evidence that establishes "ownership"

it's pretty obvious that they're "associated" I was just contesting the claim of being "owned" since there isn't enough evidence accessible for that claim in particular.

Well, they work out of Bethel to this day. They are indeed Bethel’s band. You can’t separate them.

Romans 8 · Mar 24, 2019

For those that do not know; Bethel churches are massive auditoriums. These are made to give the youth a place where their senses are gratified. They were built to host rock concerts. They are equipped with full concert sound systems, lights, and the whole nine yards. These churches were built to host bands such as Jesus Culture and Hillsong. These are not Christian organizations. They are secular, pretending to be Christian.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 24, 2019

Romans 8 said:
It's not the point. If they are playing in Bethel churches it means they support Bethel church, their ministry, and their doctrines.

I've seen similar connections made in relation to the independent baptist churches.

I find this discussion has been good so far, but what is the application going forward? Without application, this ends up being little more than gossip, faultfinding, and grumbling.

BNR32FAN · Mar 24, 2019

amariselle said:
I learned quite some time ago, through attempts to lovingly caution and warn family members regarding things they were getting involved in, that people need to be willing to do their own research. They rejected and dismissed everything I sent them.

If you want to know what they teach in more detail, look beyond the “Statement of Faith” and do your research.

I still can’t find anything linking hillsong to bethel. I’ve followed hillsong in their preaching and music for years and have never seen anything remotely evil about it. So it’s hard to accept claims from a random website over years of watching the actual teachings of the church.

Maria Billingsley · Mar 24, 2019

Romans 8 said:
Until about a month ago, I wasn't aware of the existence of these bands. It appears they are seducing followers through their glamour rock music fused with watered down gospel lyrics. The hope is that their followers will inevitably join and learn the false doctrines of Bethel church.

I learned of the bands existence while researching the usual suspects (Bill Johnson, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Sin Roth, etc). This is where I learned about the operation of Bethel church, Hillsong, and jesus culture.

I tuned into my local Christian radio station recently and recognized some of the songs. Shocker! I did not know the church I was attending had been singing their songs in church.
The worship team is young, but do they really need to adopt these apostate bands into the church?

I would not have as much of a problem if it was only the music but someone at the church allowed an announcement recently, asking if people want to join a group on the works of Bill Johnson! I don't want to speak against the church or the pastor but I don't think this should be allowed. The church needs people with discernment to keep false teachings out of the church, and stand against apostates. I don't know if the church is out of touch or if they are trying to please everyone.

The music is a catalyst. The lyrics are not particularly heretical however the hypnotic , repetitive nature of the music is not Holy.
The problem is immaturity. They are on milk and not on meat. They, Bethel converts, are caught in a flesh driven form of worship. From there it manifests into more flesh driven displays of unnatural even dangerous expressions such as, fire tunnels, slain in the spirit, holy laughter, kriyas, (involuntary movements) etc. none of these are of the Holy Spirit. The band puts its listeners into a hypnotic state thus manifesting unholy behavior.

But try telling one of them the truth and you will be quickly shot down as they believe they have the true Holy Spirit working among them.

So what do we do?

First we must be prepared to be "hated"when discerning this group. This is a very powerful deception and it is not easily shaken because God has sent them a delusion for not believing in the truth.

Second, pray, pray, pray that the Lord equip you when the "catalyst" , Jesus Culture ,invades your church.

Third, if the catalyst mutates into unrighteousness, the one gifted with "discernment" must take it to
the Elders and rebuke.

Blessings

amariselle · Mar 24, 2019

“In 1999 the youth group pastored by Banning Liebscher at Bethel Church launched the first Jesus Culture Conference. This gave birth to Jesus Culture and paved the way for what it is today–a global movement awakening hearts to worship and serve God. Through events, worship, resources, and a local church, Jesus Culture has a mandate to mobilize a generation of revivalists and reformers who will shape culture and transform nations.” - Jesus Culture

Jesus Culture is a “ministry” of Bethel

DamianWarS · Mar 24, 2019

Romans 8 said:
Sure, have a look through this video, does this look Christian to you?

I'm not catching your point? what is it supposed to look like to pass as looking Christian? with the claims of the OP I would think there would be more substance than this.

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