What does that have to do with what I said about not many charismatics knowing anything much about Johnson or many Hillsong listeners knowing about the things you accuse them of?
Perhaps you could find a way to make everyone who listens to Hillsong's music read your posts on the Christian Forums.
Then - and only then - would I retract what is obviously true.
What's with the attitude?
No I did not - nor have I said that I did. Please show me where I told you that.
They did seem to be very nice people. But I wouldn't know enough to say for sure.
I was learning a few things from you that I hadn't known. I thought we were having a civil conversation. Then you go and get snarky.
You may have your thread back now without me since you don't want to talk like a Christian brother should talk to another.
I'm very disappointed.
There's a valid question to be had about whether the source immediately discredits the product; so for example should we forbid hymns and sacred song on the basis of who produced it? It gets tricky, for example the English translation of
Minuit, chretien, ("O Holy Night") was produced by a 19th century Unitarian minister. And I consider O Holy Night perhaps one of the most beloved Christmas carols and I doubt most of us would ever want to give it up.
If the music itself is not objectionable, then perhaps the source isn't terribly consequential. But by the same token we should certainly be rigorous in our use of sacred song and hymnody. Which is a chief reason why I, and many others, usually don't regard modern "praise and worship" and CCM on the whole as particularly useful. It is often misunderstood that the issue many traditional Christians have is the musical form itself, that it's about "style" when "style" isn't the issue at all. It's not about being "old fashioned" or thinking modern music is inherently bad; it's about being diligent in understanding that the chief vehicle for theology that most Christians receive is in our music.
There is an ancient axiom, Lex Orandi Lex Credendi, or "The law of prayer is the law of belief". Our prayer and song is the chief way we inform and shape our beliefs. No matter how eloquent and well crafted a sermon can be, it's not going to have the same staying power as the prayers and songs we share together. This means that there should be the utmost care to curate music that is theologically sound and is faithful in its confession of God's word and truth. This isn't about "hymns are good" and "praise choruses are bad", because there are bad hymns and there are good praise choruses.
From a Lutheran perspective we avoid "experiential" language that attempts to comprehend the Divine apart from God's own giving of Himself and revealing of Himself. That is, God apart from Christ, God apart from His Word and Sacraments, God apart from these things He Himself has done and given. In other words Lutheranism eschews the idea of unmediated encounter with God, as though we can encounter God in ourselves, apart from God's own revelation and giving of Himself in and through Christ and where and how Christ Himself presents Himself to us. Instead we speak of the mediated encounter of God through Christ, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus". This is because we confess that an unmediated encounter with God is, as Scripture itself tells us, a terrifying thing, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God", "No one may see Me and live" etc. God, in the nakedness of His glory, is terrifying in the brilliance of His sublime majesty. But God clothed in the humility and suffering of Jesus Christ is how He chooses to meet us, "No one can come to the Father but by Me" "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father"; thus to encounter God in Christ, to encounter God in faith and the cross, is to encounter God as God Himself makes Himself known to us. And so we meet God in Jesus, in His suffering, in His weakness, in His love, in His giving of Himself, in His death on the cross, that we might behold the God that Christ can show us, the One He calls "Abba", that is, "Father".
-CryptoLutheran