Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39

Seville90210 said:

Douggg, how can the Jews be burning weapons in Israel for 7 years during the tribulation when you yourself posted scriptures showing the Jewish people scattered having been regather back to Israel?

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The destroyed weapons, like tanks, artillery, armored personnel carriers, etc. are made of metal. Which to burn metal, it has to be melted down and recycled. During the time of peace, it will be for beating swords into plowshares. imo, in the second half it will be forced upon the Jews, them who do not escape to the wilderness in time, as forced labor - like in WWII as Hitler did to them.

During the great tribulation, it will be like WWII in Germany in similitude, everything will be in shortage. And the beast and his regime will need the metal and the Jews will be a persecuted labor source.

In the wilderness, which those Jews will be protected from the beast, they can make use of the diesel scavaged from the vehicles which had been destroyed in the mountains of Israel.

keras said:

Want to come along? Or do you just want to go direct to heaven, without passing go? 'Go' in this case is the great test by fire that 1 Peter 4:12 and over 100 other prophesies inform us about.

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Luke 21:34-36 is Jesus's promise and Revelation 3:10-11. So, no, I don't want to go along with your view.

Seville90210 said:

I'm not talking about that Douggg, I'm referring to your rationale comparing it to the holocaust when Israel is clearly not at peace at this point.

Next topic. Have you seen the news about what's happening with the EU? There won't be a EU around someday soon. This makes it very hard to prove the beast's empire coming from Europe.

Doug Casey Says the EU’s Collapse Is Now “Imminent”
Doug Casey Says the EU’s Collapse Is Now “Imminent” - International Man

What might trigger the collapse of the EU?
What might trigger the collapse of the EU?

Le Maire: EU ‘falling apart before our eyes’
https://www.politico.eu/article/le-maire-eurozone-eu-falling-apart-before-our-eyes/

The EU could collapse in the same way the Soviet Union did, George Soros warns
The EU could collapse in the same way the Soviet Union did, George Soros warns

The European Union will collapse
Geopolitics | The European Union will collapse

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The EU is going to have to go through a change to have the ten leader form of government, with one leader over them, the little horn person.

Seville90210 said:

Douggg, why is Jesus' robe covered with blood mentioned in Revelation 19:13?

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Because it is the blood of them martyred in Revelation 6, the fifth seal. Revelation 6:10-11.

Seville90210 said:

Ever wondered if your idea of the second coming is off based? Ever wondered if maybe the western church's interpretation of the second coming could be wrong?

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No.

Again, Revelation 19 is not the same event as Zechariah 14. You're analyzing Zechariah 14 using Revelation 19. That's like trying to figure the female anatomy looking at pictures of a guy, not knowing the differences beforehand. And yes, it is a nuclear bomb that will hit Jerusalem during the AoD. Other OT scriptures tells us this.

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Not a nuclear bomb. Do you think Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by a nuclear bomb? Or them in Revelation 20:9 destroyed by a nuclear bomb(s).

God holds the sun in His Hand. And is beyond our comprehension in power. Jesus returns with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Seville90210 said:

Douggg, I wasn't arguing with you. I was showing you your error and provided scriptures trying to make you aware of it. I even showed you verses you posted that also revealed your error as well as links to outside sources. If you're unwilling to leave any room for correction or don't want to hear you're wrong, why make a thread titled "Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39?"

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I think we misunderstood each other.

I made this thread after exiting another thread which I saw a consistent pattern that people approach end times bible prophecy in a fragmented manner. Which of course has to be done to an extent. Because that is how we start, one verse at a time.

The problem to me, they never arrive at the right conclusion - after years and years. Because they never advance to put everything together.

Which this thread was to make people think - more than anything else ( well actually secondary to my walk through explanation). We can't put the whole end times into one post, that would be an impossible task I think. So I picked Ezekiel 38-39, because it is the only place in the bible which the entire end times picture covering the before the 7 years begin to the end of it, and Jesus returned. It is consolidated enough, but inclusive enough, that if people have
things right - their beliefs will fit.

People like proving me (and each other) wrong - so it gives them an incentive to participate. But the difficulty becomes for them when what I ask them to do... is to a make an outline walk through of Ezekiel 38-39. That requires them to think.
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You were showing me particular parts of Ezekiel 38-39 which you felt that made my walk through wrong. I was just responding with my reasoning to your points of what I think will happen in order to fit into the overall picture that Ezekiel 38-39 picture.

You had also asked questions to me. So I responded with my answer(s).

keras said:

Want to come along? Or do you just want to go direct to heaven, without passing go? 'Go' in this case is the great test by fire that 1 Peter 4:12 and over 100 other prophesies inform us about.
Actually you and everybody do not have any choice in this, God will do what His has plainly told us He will. Jeremiah 4:28

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You are not going to Israel. Too old. Why would you leave New Zealand at your age and go live in Israel?

Seville90210 said:

Douggg, if you think the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19:17 are one in the same, that would put Ezekiel 38-39 in the 7 year tribulation and not before.

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No it would not. It puts the Gog/Magog event 7 years before the Armageddon feast on the dead in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

keras said:

The joke against you is that you will have to go along with what the Lord has planned for His people. Provided that you do maintain your faith, when what you want, doesn't happen.
Nowhere has Jesus promised to take His Church to heaven, that idea is totally unbiblical.

Hanging an entire doctrine; the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, on 2 scriptures and other assumptions and inferences, is foolish in the extreme.
Whereas, we are told of an incredibly wonderful future on earth, as we fulfil our destiny of being the people God always wanted in His Land. Read and understand Isaiah 60, 61 & 62, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24-26, where it plainly states that we Christians will be called the children of the Living God as we live in the same place that ancient Israel was rejected.

Re your post #249, Remember that Moses was 80 when he started his main work, over the next 40 years. I am good for whatever the Lord has for me and if the Lord has made Promises to you in the same way as He has to me, then we will surely part company.
But you need to be very sure that who you heard from or whoever taught you was from God, as we know that Satan can mimic messengers and he promotes false teachings.

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There are two billion Christians world wide. They can't fit into Israel.

The population of Israel is 8.5 million.

keras said:

Dear Douggg,
How many of those who call themselves 'Christian', are truly born again Christians?
For sure they are not all God's people, give us your estimate. Mine is about 10%

You constantly demonstrate your ignorance; how big was the Land that God gave to Abraham and his descendants? Who are now all the people who have the faith that Abraham did. Galatians 3:26-29

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Even at 10% of 2 billion, that is 200 million, compared to 8.5 million living there now. It would be too crowded.

Population of New Zealand, 4.7 million. Beautiful country.
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Since Jesus is coming with 10,000s of His saints, the bodies of the saints coming with Him will have to be supernatural in order to live outside of the earth's atmosphere.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Where did Jesus go to? Can the angels travel back and forth between heaven and earth?

keras said:

You still fail to realize that the holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18
Neither Joshua nor Solomon fully conquered all that area. Judges 1:19-36 But the day will come when all of God's people will occupy it all, living in peace and prosperity. Psalm 24:3, Isaiah 49:19, Psalms 126:1-5, Isaiah 30:23-25, +

You STILL don't want to participate in that amazing time? Isaiah 49:8, Psalms 29:11, Psalms 107

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I'll stick with the resurrection/rapture of 1Thesslanonians4:15-18, incorruptible.

keras said:

Too bad that 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 never mentions a resurrection or a rapture to heaven.
Your hope is for something that is nowhere prophesied.

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That's where the mansions are, the third heaven, where God's throne is. When this present earth passes away and the works therein melted away - where do you planning on being - if you are never going to the third heaven?

keras said:

The so called 'mansions' of John 14:1-3, come down to earth after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7. We never go to them in heaven. The idea that we do, is a dream of the deceived.

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This is clear.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Keras, your heart is not in heaven.