Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

Kaon · Mar 22, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
And why should that matter? There is much academic work proving the existence of God and the Bible. The truth needs no support as it always contradicts others while not contradicting itself. Falsehood always contradicts others and itself.

If your Father has blessed you with this insight as you say, then meditate toward Him on it.

1 day is definitely an evening to evening, or contains the night, then day. This follows the entire order of the creation fundamentally. For example, the earth BECAME void, and darkness fell upon it. The Most High God didn't create Earth void, rather it was perfect as is. The DAY changes when darkness grew. The Most High God separated light from darkness, and that was the definition of a day (yom). Any real day/age/generation has a separation of light and dark.

In speaking about affine geometry, you cannot designate a specific origin point - Just a difference, or change between two point relative to each other. Once we project/map an affine geometry to a specific vector (space), we suddenly get a defined origin whose identity is the napping from the affine point. My Father speaks to me through math; however He may be speaking to you is your personal relationship with Him.

Universally, the message of the Most High God is Truth. Enoch, and other patriarchs definitely knew algebra, geometry and astronomy/physics. You can be a mathematician (enoch), or a harlot (woman at the well) - and you still know the Most High God because the Truth transcends all dimensions of thought and existence.

miknik5 · Mar 22, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Well...sister...I thought you wanted to understand why it matters? I am confused here...do you want to understand why it matters or just say it doesn't matter?

While it is true what Christ said about walking in the light lest darkness overtake us knowing the truth is part of walking in the light as God and Jesus are in the light.

JESUS is THE LIGHT

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

gadar perets said:
"Professor Jay Pasachoff of Williams College has made very precise calculations. Spring, he says, lasts 92 days, 19 hours; summer 93 days, 15 hours; autumn, 89 days, 20 hours; winter, 89 days, zero hours." Not All Seasons Are Created Equal

Okay so this adds up to 365 Days and 1/4 of a Day...still basic arithmetic shows:

52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

So someone is really bad at math or there is something else going on behind the scenes...I don't know how one can get basic arithmetic wrong.

gadar perets said:
Sorry, I misunderstood your OP to say a day ended when evening ended and night began.

Here you say the morning is twilight, but your OP says morning is at sunrise. Does morning start before or after sunrise? Does evening start before or after sunset? Or are both moments in time occurring at both sunrise and/or sunset?

As I understand it, roosters crow prior to sunrise. Therefore, Yeshua is calling the time before sunrise both "night" and "day".

Please read Genesis 1:1-5 carefully and you will see that on the first day of creation the Sun, Moon and stars did not exist so, the waxing of light is the morning and the waning of the light is the evening. Because the luminaries were created three days later, sunrise comes after morning and sunset comes after evening: the time between the mornings and between the evenings is twilight.

As for your last comment...the time before sunrise is twilight (i.e. the time between the mornings).

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

miknik5 said:
JESUS is THE LIGHT

Okay...scripture is clear on that...so what's your point? Don't study what the Bible has to say about physical light?

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

Kaon said:
If your Father has blessed you with this insight as you say, then meditate toward Him on it.

1 day is definitely an evening to evening, or contains the night, then day. This follows the entire order of the creation fundamentally. For example, the earth BECAME void, and darkness fell upon it. The Most High God didn't create Earth void, rather it was perfect as is. The DAY changes when darkness grew. The Most High God separated light from darkness, and that was the definition of a day (yom). Any real day/age/generation has a separation of light and dark.

In speaking about affine geometry, you cannot designate a specific origin point - Just a difference, or change between two point relative to each other. Once we project/map an affine geometry to a specific vector (space), we suddenly get a defined origin whose identity is the napping from the affine point. My Father speaks to me through math; however He may be speaking to you is your personal relationship with Him.

Universally, the message of the Most High God is Truth. Enoch, and other patriarchs definitely knew algebra, geometry and astronomy/physics. You can be a mathematician (enoch), or a harlot (woman at the well) - and you still know the Most High God because the Truth transcends all dimensions of thought and existence.

Okay...don't know what your other points have to do with this thread so, I will answer your thoughts concerning the biblical definition of a day. Genesis 1:1-5 makes it crystal clear that God called the light Day and the darkness Night and, He separated both from one another: this means that day and night are completely separate periods of time and are not to be mixed up with one another as the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans have done. When God called the light that implied the beginning of the day which is the morning: and this is why Moses wrote, "[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day." for the evening signified the end of the first day; and, the next morning signified the beginning of the second day.

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay...scripture is clear on that...so what's your point? Don't study what the Bible has to say about physical light?

What does physical light matter?

It was only temporal to begin with and to measure and separate day from night in this passing and temporal day and age

You are,on a Christian website which talks about JESUS, discussing physical temporal things that will not last and will be rolled up in HIS garment

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay...don't know what your other points have to do with this thread so, I will answer your thoughts concerning the biblical definition of a day. Genesis 1:1-5 makes it crystal clear that God called the light Day and the darkness Night and, He separated both from one another: this means that day and night are completely separate periods of time and are not to be mixed up with one another as the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans have done. When God called the light that implied the beginning of the day which is the morning: and this is why Moses wrote, "[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day." for the evening signified the end of the first day; and, the next morning signified the beginning of the second day.

Let’s listen to what scripture says. There was evening and morning. The FIRST DAY
The evening did not signify the end of the first day because there was nothing before the darkness. and if you would remember what scrupture says everything created came out from the darkness when GOD separated and brought order to the darkness

Remember the beginning of the creation Account?

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep.

Everything started out from the darkness

So, the first created day also came out from the darkness

And there was evening and morning the first day.

Creation hadn’t even experienced the first day so for you to say that this cycle was the beginning of the second day, is terribly incorrect

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 1:5

Please reread.

There was no other way for the first day to begin but that GOD took the day/light/morning out from the darkness

gadar perets · Mar 23, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay so this adds up to 365 Days and 1/4 of a Day...still basic arithmetic shows:

52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

So someone is really bad at math or there is something else going on behind the scenes...I don't know how one can get basic arithmetic wrong.

Both arithmetics are correct, but it seems to me your bold arithmetic is not including a necessary intercalation. Doesn't the 364 day calendar need to intercalate to make up for the 1.25 day difference? If not, what keeps the feasts from drifting throughout the year?

Please read Genesis 1:1-5 carefully and you will see that on the first day of creation the Sun, Moon and stars did not exist so, the waxing of light is the morning and the waning of the light is the evening. Because the luminaries were created three days later, sunrise comes after morning and sunset comes after evening: the time between the mornings and between the evenings is twilight.

If "between the evenings" means twilight, then what two evenings is twilight between? Isn't twilight between day and night?

As for your last comment...the time before sunrise is twilight (i.e. the time between the mornings).

I agree that twilight is before sunrise, "between the mornings" is confusing. Which two mornings is twilight between?

gadar perets · Mar 23, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
When God called the light that implied the beginning of the day which is the morning: and this is why Moses wrote, "[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day." for the evening signified the end of the first day; and, the next morning signified the beginning of the second day.

Here, you seem to say that morning (twilight) and evening (twilight) are part of the "day", but you also wrote, "sunrise comes after morning and sunset comes after evening". Does the "day" include the morning and evening twilight or not?

Kaon · Mar 23, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Okay...don't know what your other points have to do with this thread so, I will answer your thoughts concerning the biblical definition of a day. Genesis 1:1-5 makes it crystal clear that God called the light Day and the darkness Night and, He separated both from one another: this means that day and night are completely separate periods of time and are not to be mixed up with one another as the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans have done. When God called the light that implied the beginning of the day which is the morning: and this is why Moses wrote, "[...]And the evening and the morning were the first day." for the evening signified the end of the first day; and, the next morning signified the beginning of the second day.

You have a point if we assume time has been flowing from before the time the earth became void - the beginning. In the beginning, there was only "now". The day (yom; also means age, especially an undetermined range of time) was "forever". There was no dark to take the "light". This is one reason why the 7th day is the "last day," and it relates to the 7th seal, trump and vial - all representing "forever" again, when Creation is restored and "good". It is an allusion to the beginning.

The Most High God defines time (a day; yom) as the separation of light from darkness. Light (ore) means illumination in every way. Darkness (choshek) means darkness in the literal sense, but it also means death, destruction, ignorance, etc. Something happened before all of this, and it caused ignorance and destruction so much so that the earth became void. The fact that the darkness comes first, and then the light follows is a consequence of the type of fall in the first place.

Just like on this plane of existence, the day of Adam as a son of God was "forever"; the sun wouldn't set (you can still see the moon in the day - in all of its phases, for example). As soon as ignorance, and death came in the form of his disobedience, darkness fell over the earth. This is the evening of the day of son of man - and the reason why it is so important to continue past the darkness. The resurrection of us is the beginning of the morning of the Son(s) of God - just like firstfruit, in which the priests are commanded to go out in the morning and pick out the firstfruit sheaf for offering. The day will not end (no more rise of darkness to begin a new day/age cycle), but the evening of that day/age begins when The Antichrist entity/interloper has come on the scene.

You could say we currently living in the 6th day of the Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 creation story; Genesis 2:4 to the end of the bible canon is the actual account of our history. The seventh day the Most High God rests, because He would have completed this iteration of His work (His Son would also have redeemed His people, and they would have been brought to perfection through resurrection).

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

Kaon said:
You have a point if we assume time has been flowing from before the time the earth became void - the beginning. In the beginning, there was only "now". The day (yom; also means age, especially an undetermined range of time) was "forever". There was no dark to take the "light". This is one reason why the 7th day is the "last day," and it relates to the 7th seal, trump and vial - all representing "forever" again, when Creation is restored and "good". It is an allusion to the beginning.

The Most High God defines time (a day; yom) as the separation of light from darkness. Light (ore) means illumination in every way. Darkness (choshek) means darkness in the literal sense, but it also means death, destruction, ignorance, etc. Something happened before all of this, and it caused ignorance and destruction so much so that the earth became void. The fact that the darkness comes first, and then the light follows is a consequence of the type of fall in the first place.

Just like on this plane of existence, the day of Adam as a son of God was "forever"; the sun wouldn't set (you can still see the moon in the day - in all of its phases, for example). As soon as ignorance, and death came in the form of his disobedience, darkness fell over the earth. This is the evening of the day of son of man - and the reason why it is so important to continue past the darkness. The resurrection of us is the beginning of the morning of the Son(s) of God - just like firstfruit, in which the priests are commanded to go out in the morning and pick out the firstfruit sheaf for offering. The day will not end (no more rise of darkness to begin a new day/age cycle), but the evening of that day/age begins when The Antichrist entity/interloper has come on the scene.

You could say we currently living in the 6th day of the Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 creation story; Genesis 2:4 to the end of the bible canon is the actual account of our history. The seventh day the Most High God rests, because He would have completed this iteration of His work (His Son would also have redeemed His people, and they would have been brought to perfection through resurrection).

Wait a minute...slow down there...you're jumping all over the place and, as a result mixing up time with eternity. Time is not forever for it consists of three parts:

1) Beginning
2) Middle
3) End

From this we may conclude that only forever = forever = eternity = infinite and time = temporal. "In the beginning[...]" proves that time was created and that before it was created only eternity existed; and, this also signals the beginning of time itself as well as the beginning of the first day of the week. And let's keep the allegorical interpretations parallel to the literal translations and, not mix them up us being the same: for when God made the world in the beginning: this parallels the time man and woman were in Eden; and, when darkness covered the earth and the face of the deep the earth was without form and void: this parallels death entering into the world after Adam and Eve sinned and were banished from Eden; and, when God called the light and separated it from the darkness: this parallels God sending Christ to free man from the darkness and to walk in the light, the separation represents the judgement and to keep oneself free from the darkness by not mixing with it.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

gadar perets said:
Here, you seem to say that morning (twilight) and evening (twilight) are part of the "day", but you also wrote, "sunrise comes after morning and sunset comes after evening". Does the "day" include the morning and evening twilight or not?

No...how did you conclude that? Scripture is very clear on what the morning and evening are...twilight is the period where it is neither day nor night...the day does not include the twilight periods...when God created the light He called it Day: therefore when the light is out it is daytime...

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

gadar perets said:
Both arithmetics are correct, but it seems to me your bold arithmetic is not including a necessary intercalation. Doesn't the 364 day calendar need to intercalate to make up for the 1.25 day difference? If not, what keeps the feasts from drifting throughout the year?

The 364 day solar calendar does not need to intercalate for the 1/4 day for it is a completely different calendar system than any that mankind has created themselves. A 364 day calendar is already lined up perfectly with the equinoxes and the solstices and therefore needs no adjusting and, as a result the feast days on this calendar will never shift. On any man made calendar the feasts will shift as they are not in alignment with God's 364 day solar calendar. If you go on my blog then you will see video proofs showing that 03/19/19 was the spring equinox which makes 03/20/19 the first day of spring and the first day of the new year. I am sure you will be wise enough to plot out the rest of the year from there or use a calendar calculator to advance forward by 52 Weeks or 364 Days. If you do choose this route then you will notice that even though you find the true date of the spring equinox but, not eliminate the Gregorian system then you will see the months and days beginning to "shift". As far as God's 364 day solar calendar goes, there is no shift...man has shifted, not God.

gadar perets said:
If "between the evenings" means twilight, then what two evenings is twilight between? Isn't twilight between day and night?

Look...sometimes you can only explain so much with words before having to go out into nature and use your eyes to help your brain reason properly. Since twilight is literally "two lights" this means that between the evenings is the period where twilight is between the evening which ends the day and the just before night sets in.

gadar perets said:
I agree that twilight is before sunrise, "between the mornings" is confusing. Which two mornings is twilight between?

The same logic applies here as I used in the quote above. The only difference is that twilight is now between the light setting in and the morning when the light actually breaks the darkness or dawns the beginning of the day.

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

Kaon said:
You have a point if we assume time has been flowing from before the time the earth became void - the beginning. In the beginning, there was only "now". The day (yom; also means age, especially an undetermined range of time) was "forever". There was no dark to take the "light". This is one reason why the 7th day is the "last day," and it relates to the 7th seal, trump and vial - all representing "forever" again, when Creation is restored and "good". It is an allusion to the beginning.

The Most High God defines time (a day; yom) as the separation of light from darkness. Light (ore) means illumination in every way. Darkness (choshek) means darkness in the literal sense, but it also means death, destruction, ignorance, etc. Something happened before all of this, and it caused ignorance and destruction so much so that the earth became void. The fact that the darkness comes first, and then the light follows is a consequence of the type of fall in the first place.

Just like on this plane of existence, the day of Adam as a son of God was "forever"; the sun wouldn't set (you can still see the moon in the day - in all of its phases, for example). As soon as ignorance, and death came in the form of his disobedience, darkness fell over the earth. This is the evening of the day of son of man - and the reason why it is so important to continue past the darkness. The resurrection of us is the beginning of the morning of the Son(s) of God - just like firstfruit, in which the priests are commanded to go out in the morning and pick out the firstfruit sheaf for offering. The day will not end (no more rise of darkness to begin a new day/age cycle), but the evening of that day/age begins when The Antichrist entity/interloper has come on the scene.

You could say we currently living in the 6th day of the Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 creation story; Genesis 2:4 to the end of the bible canon is the actual account of our history. The seventh day the Most High God rests, because He would have completed this iteration of His work (His Son would also have redeemed His people, and they would have been brought to perfection through resurrection).

But time hasn’t been flowing before the earth came forth

Time began only after GOD began HIS work of creating

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

GOD existed before any created thing. THE SPIRIT of GOD was there upon the waters before HE began to separate and bring order and existence to what was dark empty and without form

miknik5 · Mar 23, 2019

In the beginning....GOD created

If HE hadn’t created there would have been just darkness and a formless soupy mass of nothingness

No part of the created temporal world existed prior to and before THE CREATOR

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

miknik5 said:
Let’s listen to what scripture says. There was evening and morning. The FIRST DAY
The evening did not signify the end of the first day because there was nothing before the darkness. and if you would remember what scrupture says everything created came out from the darkness when GOD separated and brought order to the darkness

Remember the beginning of the creation Account?

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep.

Everything started out from the darkness

So, the first created day also came out from the darkness

And there was evening and morning the first day.

Creation hadn’t even experienced the first day so for you to say that this cycle was the beginning of the second day, is terribly incorrect

God is Light sister: therefore the Light (God) came before the darkness. I am not sure why this is so difficult to understand...when you wake up you know it is morning when the light first comes out. And before you go to bed and the light is fading you know it is evening...and when you wake up to see the light first coming out again...........it is the beginning of the next day....

miknik5 said:
Genesis 1:1 through Genesis 1:5

Please reread.

There was no other way for the first day to begin but that GOD took the day/light/morning out from the darkness

No...the day simply began once God created the light....

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

miknik5 said:
But time hasn’t been flowing before the earth came forth

Time began only after GOD began HIS work if creating

Spot on sister!

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 23, 2019

miknik5 said:
GOD existed before any created thing. THE SPIRIT of GOD was there upon the waters before HE began to separate and bring order and existence to what was dark empty and without form

miknik5 said:
In the beginning....GOD created

If HE hadn’t created there would have been just darkness and a formless soupy mass of nothingness

You are correct that nothing created existed before God created them. Where you err is saying that there would be darkness and a soupy mass. There was only light before God created anything: for God is Light; and, because God had not created anything before the creation week: there was no mass either. Genesis 1:1 makes this crystal clear:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

"In the beginning[...]" = Time (creation)
"[...]God created[...]" = Creator
"[...]the heavens[...]" = Space (creation)
"[...]and the earth."= Matter (creation)

Light and Darkness are also forms of matter.

Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

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