Is Continuationism or Cessationism a hard doctrine to prove?

NBB · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
Flesh faith buys cars believing the sales person's word is true. But the flesh cannot discern the true Christ. It will believe in a false Christ only based on a false gospel of works. It cannot hear the true gospel or receive the true Christ.

That is not flesh faith, that is just believing someone word, and is not a sin.
If you say everytime someone not christian believes something is from the flesh then that is not correct in my view.

Dave L · Mar 22, 2019

NBB said:
That is not flesh faith, that is just believing someone word, and is not a sin.
If you say everytime someone not christian believes something is from the flesh then that is not correct in my view.

The flesh can only sin. How can a corrupt tree produce good fruit? Paul also says whatever is not of (biblical) faith is sin.

NBB · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
The flesh can only sin. How can a corrupt tree produce good fruit? Paul also says whatever is not of (biblical) faith is sin.

There is a lot of normal stuff from people soul that is not sin. People are able to believe and love someone too, not everything is from the flesh.

Dave L · Mar 22, 2019

NBB said:
There is a lot of normal stuff from people soul that is not sin. People are able to believe and love someone too, not everything is from the flesh.

Human love = lust and is always self serving.

NBB · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
Human love = lust and is always self serving.

Like the famous love of a mother for example, that is from the flesh? no they really do care.

Dave L · Mar 22, 2019

NBB said:
Like the famous love of a mother for example, that is from the flesh? no they really do care.

It's only true love if they love their enemy's child as much.

NBB · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
It's only true love if they love their enemy's child as much.

Don't confuse me lol love can be love from your heart, if Gods love gets in our hearth well that is better, but unbelievers are able to love and believe in something without being from the flesh. There is a lot of normal human things people do, not everything is from the flesh.

Saint Steven · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
Flesh faith buys cars believing the sales person's word is true. But the flesh cannot discern the true Christ. It will believe in a false Christ only based on a false gospel of works. It cannot hear the true gospel or receive the true Christ.

It seems more like you are the used car salesman, selling a rusted-out 1985 Calvinism with 285,000+ miles on it. I'm not buying it.

Dave L · Mar 23, 2019

Saint Steven said:
It seems more like you are the used car salesman, selling a rusted-out 1985 Calvinism with 285,000+ miles on it. I'm not buying it.

There's no beating it. Either God saves sinners and receives all the glory, or the self-righteous, in the power of the sinful flesh save themselves, and cheat God out of his glory, diverting it to themselves. PS. have you ever searched "Voodoo and Pentecostalism"? It's an interesting study.

Dave L · Mar 23, 2019

NBB said:
Don't confuse me lol love can be love from your heart, if Gods love gets in our hearth well that is better, but unbelievers are able to love and believe in something without being from the flesh. There is a lot of normal human things people do, not everything is from the flesh.

Only do you love as Christ does when your bank account is empty and the needy among your enemies share in it.

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
There's no beating it. Either God saves sinners and receives all the glory, or the self-righteous, in the power of the sinful flesh save themselves, and cheat God out of his glory, diverting it to themselves. PS. have you ever searched "Voodoo and Pentecostalism"? It's an interesting study.

There is nothing self-righteous about surrendering your will to God.
In complete humility and desperation we ACTIVELY receive the gift of salvation. Thus receiving, NOT earning, the salvation offered to us for the taking. The price having been paid, which we could never pay in and of ourselves. A penalty which we fully owe, paid in full by our Savior, our justification. Peace with God.

Hebrews 2:3 KJV
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation...

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Dave L · Mar 23, 2019

Saint Steven said:
There is nothing self-righteous about surrendering your will to God.
In complete humility and desperation we ACTIVELY receive the gift of salvation. Thus receiving, NOT earning, the salvation offered to us for the taking. The price having been paid, which we could never pay in and of ourselves. A penalty which we fully owe, paid in full by our Savior, our justification. Peace with God.

Hebrews 2:3 KJV
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation...

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Only good people would opt to chum around with God.

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
... PS. have you ever searched "Voodoo and Pentecostalism"? It's an interesting study.

Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
Only good people would opt to chum around with God.

"Only good people..."? ???
What were you saying about the self-righteous?

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
Only good people would opt to chum around with God.

That's all you have to say about this?

"There is nothing self-righteous about surrendering your will to God.
In complete humility and desperation we ACTIVELY receive the gift of salvation. Thus receiving, NOT earning, the salvation offered to us for the taking. The price having been paid, which we could never pay in and of ourselves. A penalty which we fully owe, paid in full by our Savior, our justification. Peace with God.

Hebrews 2:3 KJV
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation...

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
Only good people would opt to chum around with God.

"opt"?
Isn't that the "self-righteousness" you like to criticize?
What you claim is a "fleshly" act that turns grace into law.

To "opt". Make a conscious choice as a matter of free-will.
To actively choose from a range of possibilities.
To select or agree.
To exercise ones options. To opt.

Dave L · Mar 23, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That's all you have to say about this?

"There is nothing self-righteous about surrendering your will to God.
In complete humility and desperation we ACTIVELY receive the gift of salvation. Thus receiving, NOT earning, the salvation offered to us for the taking. The price having been paid, which we could never pay in and of ourselves. A penalty which we fully owe, paid in full by our Savior, our justification. Peace with God.

Hebrews 2:3 KJV
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation...

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

What you do not understand is that you cannot discern the true Christ with the flesh. You must first be born again by grace before you can. So in your natural state you will hear the gospel as law, and grace as depending on obedience. And this is the false Christ you will choose and believe in. And you will hate the true Christ thinking he is repugnant to the senses, which is what most do today if the Christ of Calvinism is the true Christ.

Dave L · Mar 23, 2019

Saint Steven said:
"opt"?
Isn't that the "self-righteousness" you like to criticize?
What you claim is a "fleshly" act that turns grace into law.

To "opt". Make a conscious choice as a matter of free-will.
To actively choose from a range of possibilities.
To select or agree.
To exercise ones options. To opt.

Only the best. Water seeks its own level, as they say.

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
What you do not understand is that you cannot discern the true Christ with the flesh. You must first be born again by grace before you can. So in your natural state you will hear the gospel as law, and grace as depending on obedience. And this is the false Christ you will choose and believe in. And you will hate the true Christ thinking he is repugnant to the senses, which is what most do today if the Christ of Calvinism is the true Christ.

This reminds me of a story.

A wife hears a news report that some crazy person is driving the wrong way on the freeway, going into traffic. She knows that is the freeway that her husband uses to get home, so she calls his cell phone to warn him of the danger. He confirms that this is exactly what is happening, but it is not just one person but everyone is going the wrong way.

Saint Steven · Mar 23, 2019

Dave L said:
Only the best. Water seeks its own level, as they say.

"seek"?
Who finds who?

Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

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