We can't reverse manmade climate change.

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Violent crime has reduced, certainly.

I don't think so. The degree of violence is not weapon dependent or casualty dependent. A simple kitchen knife can do very very violent crime. A very small scale ancient cold-weapon battle can kill hundreds of people.
 
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Sin is a choice. Mankind has the choice to stop sinning. We could choose peace w/ each other, and fight to save our planet instead. We COULD....

You should tell sin from crime. They are very different.
Sin is against God. Crime is against human.
 
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I don't think so. The degree of violence is not weapon dependent or casualty dependent. A simple kitchen knife can do very very violent crime. A very small scale ancient cold-weapon battle can kill hundreds of people.
I didn't mention weapons or killing, and the available statistics contradict your view. For example, Long Term Historical Trends in Violent Crime.

 
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Young people want to fight climate change.
We know the consequence.

Young people don't have enough knowledge, experience, or resources to mount an effective campaign against climate change.
 
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I didn't mention weapons or killing, and the available statistics contradict your view. For example, Long Term Historical Trends in Violent Crime.


Are you saying we have the lowest rate of crime in human history now? And do you think the crime rate decreases so obviously with time? According to the data, how many more years would we expect that there will be no crime in this world?

Well, this seems to be another case that I do not trust the data in the article you quoted. It tells me again that to understand the principle is more reliable than to see the data. You really want to have the data fit your principle, rather than vice versa. This is becoming more and more critical in today's world that data are pouring out in masses. Data is becoming the source or the tool of deceiving.
 
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Young people don't have enough knowledge, experience, or resources to mount an effective campaign against climate change.

May be. But they say it loudly: WE CAN DO IT.
They should be encouraged. Shouldn't they?
 
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Manmade greenhouse gases are going to increase, not decrease. These gases result from manufacturing and commerce, which sustains the economy. While some may reduce consumption most cannot or will not, thus man's contribution to climate change will not decline but likely increase.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. :(

Climate change is not actually man made. It may be catalyzed due to human activity but climate change is a natural process.
 
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May be. But they say it loudly: WE CAN DO IT.
They should be encouraged. Shouldn't they?

Yes, they should be encouraged, but cautioned as well to not toss the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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The girl who came up with the cell phone fast-charger that uses a lithium-free capacitor did it in a science fair project.

The guy was college-age--did not go to college--who came up with the big tether line that they sent to the mid-Pacific Ocean to gather up the plastic.

That is not good that the old people basically screwed the planet up, left it to the young people, and then they tell the young people they can't fix it.
 
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Are you saying we have the lowest rate of crime in human history now?
Not necessarily; the stats say it's a long-term trend.

And do you think the crime rate decreases so obviously with time?
The stats show an obvious downward trend.

According to the data, how many more years would we expect that there will be no crime in this world?
I don't think an intelligent person would expect violent crime to fall to zero (short of humans going extinct).

Well, this seems to be another case that I do not trust the data in the article you quoted.
The Eisner paper is considered the 'go-to' aggregation of historical sources; which of his data sources do you not think trustworthy - all of them? There are other sources, Ted R. Gurr's Historical Trends in Violent Crime, or on more recent times: Violent crime in the U.S. over the past 25 years. Here's one on homicides with data from Eisner and other sources.

You really want to have the data fit your principle, rather than vice versa.
What principle is that? The data is what it is.

This is becoming more and more critical in today's world that data are pouring out in masses. Data is becoming the source or the tool of deceiving.
Oh, wait... maybe Eisner and his sources, Pinker and his sources, national record gatherers in countries around the world, the FBI, the Bureau of Justice, Uncle Tom Cobley and all, are in a giant conspiracy to fake a decline in violence! :doh:
 
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The guy was college-age--did not go to college--who came up with the big tether line that they sent to the mid-Pacific Ocean to gather up the plastic.

That is not good that the old people basically screwed the planet up, left it to the young people, and then they tell the young people they can't fix it.

That "big tether line" failed the first time out. The guy admitted that he hadn't actually tested it.

I didn't go to college either but I developed a way to avoid scratching vehicles while blowing snow from between them in our parking lot...I glued pieces of carpeting on the sides. :D

I create and develop lots of things based on skills developed without formal education.

What is sad is that society generally doesn't accept ideas that come from ordinary people. Too bad, because we have some really good answers.
 
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Manmade greenhouse gases are going to increase, not decrease. These gases result from manufacturing and commerce, which sustains the economy. While some may reduce consumption most cannot or will not, thus man's contribution to climate change will not decline but likely increase.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. :(


I don't see how you can say that in good conscience, it sounds like a resignation to evil and to despair, which is a sin.
 
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I don't see how you can say that in good conscience, it sounds like a resignation to evil and to despair, which is a sin.

I'm just applying God's prophetic word to this particular problem. I think it's prudent to caution people about what's coming. :eek:
 
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I'm just applying God's prophetic word to this particular problem. I think it's prudent to caution people about what's coming. :eek:

How convenient that your interpretation of the Bible absolves you of personal responsibility.
 
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Not necessarily; the stats say it's a long-term trend.

The stats show an obvious downward trend.

I don't think an intelligent person would expect violent crime to fall to zero (short of humans going extinct).

The Eisner paper is considered the 'go-to' aggregation of historical sources; which of his data sources do you not think trustworthy - all of them? There are other sources, Ted R. Gurr's Historical Trends in Violent Crime, or on more recent times: Violent crime in the U.S. over the past 25 years. Here's one on homicides with data from Eisner and other sources.

What principle is that? The data is what it is.

Oh, wait... maybe Eisner and his sources, Pinker and his sources, national record gatherers in countries around the world, the FBI, the Bureau of Justice, Uncle Tom Cobley and all, are in a giant conspiracy to fake a decline in violence! :doh:

The principle held in this case is: The human nature does not change through time. Any data set goes in violation to this principle MUST have something wrong and is not trustworthy.

I did not read those reports in detail. Do they consider the very fast increase in population as a factor? That could be a factor to reduce the rate (#crime/1000people). Also, the same crime, for example, rape, could be treated as a much more serious crime 200 years ago than it is today. You go to a policy station and ask to see the record of rape, do you believe you can see the real data?

If you continue to believe the published data, chart, table on anything, you would certainly have trouble to know the truth.
 
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How convenient that your interpretation of the Bible absolves you of personal responsibility.

Au contraire. It establishes my personal responsibility. However that isn't going to help much. :(
 
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