SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

klutedavid said:

Hello LGW.
You said.

LGW: If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20;

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We will read your quotation (James 2:18-20) in context.

James 2:15-17
If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

The work identified here is loving others, looking after others. Then we have your quotation.

James 2:18-20
But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

So it is not difficult to see that the works that James is referring to are the commandments that John spoke of.

Loving your others means that you will not ignore the hardship and need of others. Then we read this verse that follows your quotation.

James 2:22
You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected.

True faith in Jesus means true love towards others, perfect faith is faith in action. James is not teaching faith and works saves, James is teaching that the faith that saves is not an idle faith, the perfect faith is love.

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David you may need to re-read the scriptures and your post here. As shown through the scriptures in post # 230 linked click me; Love is expressed through God's LAW not outside of it.

The example given in JAMES 2:15-17 is that if a brother or sister is in need of clothing and you do not DO anything to them except say "God in peace be filled and warm" without GIVING THEM anything necessary to be filled and warm what use is that? Then it goes on to say faith if it does not have works is dead if it is by itself.

This only supports what is posted in JAMES 2:18-20 which says; Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

This is saying that the fruit of faith is in doing what God's WORD says to do. If you do not do what God's WORD says to do then this is the faith of the devils. The Devils BELIEVE in God but do not follow what God says to do.

Hope this helps.

Hello David, some comments below for your consideration.

klutedavid said:

That is your interpretation LGW, that is not what John is talking about.

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Nope no it is not. In the earlier post to you brother scripture is used to define and interpret the scriptures. If you disagree with all the scriptures posted in post # 230 linked click me
please respond to it and show why you disagree with what is posted. Just stating you disagree with the scriptures posted without addressing the post and the scriptures in it that disagree with you, does not make it so because you say so, just as ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

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How do I know this? James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Your ceremonial law is as follows. Exodus 22:22 You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. You ignore this sin because you call it a ceremonial law and not a moral law. You do not see this as a commandment and so you reject the welfare and the justice, that orphans and widows deserve. James says that perfect religion is looking after widows and orphans. You say perfect religion is resting on Saturday because that is the name of your church. You only ever really talk about one commandment. This commandment above (Exodus 22:22) that God gave to Israel is not in your list of your ten commandments. The gravity of afflicting widows and orphans is under valued by your church, the fact that you never even mention it is astounding. Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress...

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Well that is not true brother, where have I called this scripture a ceremonial law? Please post the link. If I have never called this scripture a ceremonial law why pretend that I have? I suggest you look up the word ceremonial and look at what the meaning is. Ceremonial laws are laws relating to or used for formal religious or public events. For example in the old testament all the laws relating to remission of sin are ceremonial laws; animal sacrifices, sin offerings; the Sanctuary services and the duties of the Levitical priesthood are all ceremonisal laws that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps.

klutedavid said:

I'm not under the written law of Mt Sinai, so in my eyes their interpretation is void. I am under the teaching that the apostles gave to the churches in Acts 15. I follow the commandments given by the apostle Paul and the apostle John. I do not confuse the written law given to Israel with the commandments given to the Gentiles. That is what they teach, once you have been told that breaking the Sabbath is sin, then you are unrighteous. They are the only true church and all other churches are deceived. That is an old line but still in use today for some reason. They teach that we will endure an investigative judgement, our sins stack up. Especially repeated failure to obey that fourth commandment.

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Your interpretation of ACTS 15 has already been addressed earlier scripture by scripture and shown to be a false teaching in post # 160 linked click me. Maybe you would like to address this post if you disagree?

Simply saying you disagree with something because of ACTS 15 which is talking about CIRCUMCISION as a requirement for salvation does not make God's 10 commandments disappear. That is like saying Gentile believers are free to go murder, commit adultery; lie and steal, use God's name in vain, have other Gods because these commandments are not mentioned in ACTS 15. Yet the scriptures are very clear that it is CORCUMCISION that was the issue of ACTS 15 which has nothing to do with God's 10 commandments. PAULS's conclusion of the matter elsewhere is...

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19],Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to stand guilty before God of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19-20.

God bless.

myst33 said:

They are trying so hard, but still are an insignificant minority in Christianity... They do not realize how bad and unhistorical their arguments are...

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What arguement and what history?

ilovejcsog said:

It does seem like the sda's don't recognize the NT or Jesus. Most of what they preach is from the OT.

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Your statement has no truth in it. JESUS is the WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4 and JESUS is revealed to us throughout the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures which we are to live by every word of *MATTHEW 4:4

ace of hearts said:

What is this unrepentant sin you vaguely refer to?

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As JAMES says breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11

ace of hearts said:

Grace voids the law and the law voids grace. There are no exceptions. It's interesting that people who promote the law always run from it on violation to grace.

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Nope! No it does not. God's GRACE is revealed through his LAW not outside of it.
We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD by faith that works by LOVE. Salvation is from sin (breaking any one of God’s 10 Commandments) not to continue in sin *ROMANS 6:1-23; JOHN 8:31-36. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not know God and need to be Born again into the NEW COVENANT promise to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This is God's work in us and a part of the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Grace is linked to mercy and peace from God the farther and from JESUS in love and truth.

2 JOHN 1:3 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

We are to grow in God's GRACE and the KNOWLEDGE of our LORD JESUS CHRSIT.

2 PETER 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. *2 PETER 1:2

We do this by seeking JESUS to be our teacher and continuing in God's WORD.

JOHN 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

JOHN 8:31-36
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12], TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

God's GRACE is given to us because all of us have sinned and are sinners (broken God's 10 Commandments) and the wages of SIN is death *ROMANS 3:23; ROMANS 5:12; ROMANS 6:23.

ROMANS 8:3-4
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE

GRACE GREEK WORD
χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

GRACE HEBREW WORD
חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it to save us from our sins and the penalty of sin (death) and our sinful nature through our LORD JESUS CHRIST!

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Sorry brother God's Word disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.

myst33 said:

Commandments of God are not the old, temporal, Mosaic Law, these days. Its what Christ brought and what God demands of people in our era.

Some things are similar (do not steal, do not lie, do not murder etc), some are different (love your enemy...)

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The MOSIAC law is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. Paul disagrees with you *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

God bless

ace of hearts said:

Gal 5 says those who are justified by the law make Jesus of no effect (no salvation) - Gal 5.

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Now who is telling you that we are justified by the works of the law? We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. Please post where I have ever stated that we are saved by the works of the law? If I have never posted anywhere or believe we are saved by the works of the law why pretend that I am saying something that I have never said or not saying? I will leave that between you and God as I have corrected you on this more then once.

God bless.

ace of hearts said:

It doesn't matter if you address any passage he references or quotes. When you do you just effectively re-post his stuff.

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Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. What passage do you claim you have addressed and let's discuss it? Where is the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment has been abolshed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Reposting scripture is only done because you have not addressed it.

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts said:

When he does address passages of people that are what I'd call pro-grace, only gets into trouble and has to twist, take out context or says it talks about something else. For instance take Rom 7:6 which he claims means punishment of the law. From what is this idea derived from? There's nothing in the chapter implying deliverance from punishment.

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You may need to revisit your interpretation of the scriptures. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures as demonstrated here click me

ROMANS 7:5-6
[5], For when we were in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the passions of sins, which were by the law <KNOWLEDGE OF SIN>, did work in our members <SIN> to bring forth fruit unto death <ROMANS 6:23, The WAGES OF SIN is DEATH>.

[6], But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; <SIN> that we should serve in newness of spirit, <NEW COVENANT PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Jeremiar 31:31-33; Hebrews 8:10-12> and not in the oldness of the letter (KNOWLEDGE OF SIN).

[7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

Q. What was it that God's LAW shows in ROMANS 7 that has bound us? Let's go back to the verse that is before....

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

A. It is SIN that has bound us!

<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us to. It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.>

The GREEK (interlinear) translation to English of ROMANS 7:6 is...

"Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"

Here are a few different bible versions of the same scripture...

New International Version
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

English Standard Version
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Study Bible
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Literal Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that which we were bound, in order for us to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

New American Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

Contemporary English Version
But the Law no longer rules over us. We are like dead people, and it cannot have any power over us. Now we can serve God in a new way by obeying his Spirit, and not in the old way by obeying the written Law.

Good News Translation
Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

International Standard Version
But now we have been released from the Law by dying to what enslaved us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit, not under the old writings.

NET Bible
But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

New Heart English Bible
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But now we have been exempted from The Written Law, and we are dead to that which had controlled us, so that we shall serve from now on in the newness of The Spirit and not in the Old Order Scriptures.

New American Standard 1977
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But now we are free from the law of death in which we were held, that we might serve in newness of Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

American Standard Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Darby Bible Translation
but now we are clear from the law, having died in that in which we were held, so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

English Revised Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were holden; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

CONCLUSION: It is that which binds us that we are released from. It is SIN that binds us not God's LAW. We are released from SIN and the penalty of SIN by walking in the SPIRIT of the NEW COVENANT promise by FAITH (ROMANS 8:1-4)...

Hope this helps.

myst33 said:

10 commadments are a part of Mosaic law (law given to Israel through Moses).

The simple fact that some commandments from old times still apply in the new era does not mean that you must subdue yourself to the old reading instead of the new one.

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As posted earlier the MOSIAC law is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. Paul does not teach Gods' LAW is abolished but establsihed through faith in all those who are BORN AGAIN to love *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. HEBREWS 8:10-12.

God bless

ace of hearts said: ↑When he does address passages of people that are what I'd call pro-grace, only gets into trouble and has to twist, take out context or says it talks about something else. For instance take Rom 7:6 which he claims means punishment of the law. From what is this idea derived from? There's nothing in the chapter implying deliverance from punishment.

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ROMANS 7 continues from ROMANS 6 I suggest you read it.

ROMANS 6:1-22

[1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5], For if we have been united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that we should no longer serve sin.
[7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

NOTE: v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life. v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin. v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Let's continue.

[8], Now if we are dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[9], Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death has no more dominion over him.
[10], For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he lives, he lives unto God.
[11], Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

NOTE: We are to be dead to SIN not God's LAW and alive in Christ v10-11

[12], Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.

NOTE: Sin is not to reign in us

[13], Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.
[15], What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NOTE: We are to be DEAD to sin and sin is not to have dominion over us v14. Ww are not to sin because we are under grace v15

[16], Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

NOTE: If we continue in sin (breaking God's commandments) we will die v16

[17], But God be thanked, that you were the servants of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

[18], Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.

NOTE: JESUS has freed us from the power of known sin as we have faith in his Word. Now we are to believe and follow JESUS.

[19], I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

[20], For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.

[21], What fruit had you then in those things of which you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

[22], But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

[23], For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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NOTE: v6 The old man is crucified with Jesus that the body of sin might be destroyed that we should no longer serve sin. V22 It is death to sin through the BODY of Christ that we are free from being the servants of sin and now the servants of righteousness. Can you see all the context you leave out of the interpretation of the scriptures brother?

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ROMANS 7 continues the discussion from ROMANS 6

[1], Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

NOTE: Same thoughts explained in Romans 6 but Romans 7 using the example of marriage

6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life. 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin. 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[2], For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

NOTE: What does the husband represent that dies? 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[3], So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband dies, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she is married to another man.

NOTE: We cannot serve the flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] and serve the Spirit.

LUKE 16:13 [13], No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

[4], Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

NOTE: The law here is a reference to the bond of marriage continuing the topic of death and life in Christ. That is the OLD MAN of sin [Flesh G4561 sinful human nature] that is crucified is to die that we might serve in newness of life. 7v4 being dead to the law by the Body of Christ is the same as… 6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The laws being discussed here are the law of the flesh [sinful human nature] and the law of the Spirit [walking by faith in God’s Word]. When one dies you are free to marry another.

[5], For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

NOTE: The flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] is the OLD MAN that must be crucified with Christ in order for us to be married to another [The Spirit] 6v5

[6], But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter

NOTE: Here we see the same thought of marriage to the flesh and marriage to the Spirit highlighted in Romans 7:1-5 also from Romans 6. Notice the parallel scriptures from ROMAN 6 are saying also that we are to die to sin (the Carnal mind or sinful human nature) not God's law from 7v6 which is your interpretation..

6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it.

6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life

6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

6v10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he lives, he lives unto God.

6v11 Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord

6v12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.

6v13, Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

6v14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

6v15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

6v16 Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

6v17 But God be thanked, that you were the servants of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

6v18 Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness. (see Romans 7:1-4)

6v19 I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

6v20 For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness (married to the other).

6v21 What fruit had you then in those things of which you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. (Old MAN that is to die)

6v22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (married to the other).

6v23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only sent in love and as a help.

ace of hearts said:

This is taken from one of his posts today. That is called changing the Scripture. No where does Paul indicate we're delivered from the punishment of the law.

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Are you sure? What are the wages of sin *ROMANS 6:23? What are we delievered from as we are FORGIVEN by faith *ROMANS 8:1-4? Funny that those scriptures are from the same book in question as context before and after ROMANS 7:6 don't you think?

Hope this helps.

ace of hearts said:

Paul does say the Christian has no need of the schoolmaster (not teacher) because we have come to Christ by faith - Gal 3:23-26. His claim is we still need the schoolmaster. Evidently the Christian still needs to be lead to Jesus. Isn't that an oxymoron?

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GALATIANS 3:22-26
[22], But the scripture has concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[23], But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up to the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[24], Why the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[26], For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

God's WORD teaches that we were all under sin *GALATIANS 3:22 because sin the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4. Before we had faith in God's WORD we were UNDER THE LAW because we were guilty before God of SIN *GALATIANS 3:23; ROMANS 3:19. The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith *GALATIANS 3:24. God's LAW gives us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and the penalty of sin is death. God's LAW leads us to Christ who is the gift of God that if we BELIEVE on him we might be FORGIVEN for our sins through the blood of JESUS who died the death on our behalf for the sins that we have committed so that we can be reconcilled to God *ROMANS 6:23.

When we have ben FORGIVEN through faith in the BLOOD of JESUS we are no longer under the penalty and condemnation of the law *ROMANS 8:1-4.

NO WHERE does it say in these scriptures that God's LAW (10 commandments) have been abolished. It only says we no longer stand guilty before God of sin and no longer under the LAW guilty before God of SIN because we have been forgiven through faith!

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness as shown all throughout the NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT scirptures as shown here click me.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only sent in love and as a help.