SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

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I didn’t ask for scripture references, those that’s fine to support what you think. What is YOUR understanding of those who sin intentionally without repentance?

You asked for short posts. The scriptures are very clear and answer your question directly and need no explanation on my behalf.

If you do not understand them perhaps you can pray about them. * HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-27; MATTHEW 7:23-24; ROMANS 8:13; GALATIANS 5:19-21; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6.

If you like maybe you can tell me what these scriptures mean to you and how do you think they answer your question?

God bless.
 
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The New Covenant is a totally new and different covenant. It's not partly new, it's totally new.

Indeed, the new Covenant is not like the old. There has never been one like it before. In this covenant we have no more SHADOW laws in ordinances from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. No more sacrifices and sin offerings, no more earthlty Sanctuary, no more ceremonial laws that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of savation in the NEW Covenant.

HEBREWS 10:3-10
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.
[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
[5] Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure.
[7] Then I said, "Behold, I have come— In the volume of the book it is written of Me— To do Your will, O God.""
[8] Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them " which are offered according to the law,
[9] then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
[10] By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) however in the NEW COVENANT have the same role that they always have and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith.

Hope this helps.
 
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Paul says not only are we delivered from the law, but even says to throw it out. Rom 7:6,

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and Paul says no where that we are to throw out the law. It is SIN and it's penalty that we are delievered from *ROMANS 7:5-7; ROMANS 8:1-4 so that we are free to walk in God's Spirit. If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is and those who throw out the law and continue in sin according to God's WORD will perish without the law.

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19], Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

JAMES 2:18-20 [18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

JAMES 2:26 [26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

PROVERBS 28:13 He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

There is honestly too many more scriptures that could be added here. If anyone needs more scripture please click me here linked

Sorry brother, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.
 
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Gal 4:30. We're not children of the bond woman (the law). Paul warns others about returning to the law saying it will void their salvation. Gal 5:2
Indeed we are in the NEW COVENANT now we are saved by GRACE through faith in God's WORD *EPHESIANS 2:8; JOHN 3:15-21. No one is telling you that we are saved by the law. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
James says nothing about a requirement to keep the law or doing works of the law. Read the whole chapter which reveals works being those of respect and charity.
JAMES 2:18-20 [18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

JAMES 2:26 [26], For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Sorry brother, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.
 
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These are lists of religious requirements.
Indeed they are and they are all in relation to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. You do know that is the point right?
Sabbaths is plural because of the great number of weekly sabbaths in a year.
Nope not at all. If the scriptures were talking about God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, then they would have said Sabbath (singular) and not SABBATHS (plural) as SABBATH in God's WORD is defined as the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK

EXODUS 20:10 [10], BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD

Now please take notice..

The SABBATHS being referred to here are not God's 4th commandment but the ceremonial Sabbaths connected to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS (plural). This is shown in the within scripture context of each of these scriptures referring to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS in *HOSEA 2:11; EZEKIEL 45:17; NUMBERS 28:9; ISAIAH 1:10-14; COLOSSIANS 2:16-17; LEVITICUS 23:4 (please see post # 103 linked and post # 104 linked)

The Sabbaths (plural) is in reference to other Sabbaths apart from God's LAW that are connected to FEAST DAYS which is the scripture context of all these scrtiptures provided above. In the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS there were ceremonial sabbaths that were connected to certain FEASTS days that could fall on any day of the week.

These ceremonial sabbaths that are connected to the FEASTS that are not God's 4th commandment are connected to the Feasts of Trumpets *LEVITICUS 23:24. Day of Atonement *LEVITICUS 23:32 and the Feast of Booths *LEVITICUS 23:39.

The context of HOSEA 2:11, along with EZEKIEL 45:17; NUMBERS 28:9; ISAIAH 1:10-14; COLOSSIANS 2:16-17; LEVITICUS 23:4 are all in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS of LEVITICUS 23 and the ceremonial "SPECIAL" SHADOW sabbaths (H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn; meaning special holiday. These special ANNUAL ceremonial sabbaths connected directly to the FEAST DAYS of LEVITICUS 23:24; 32 and 39 which are not God's 4th commandment weekly SEVENTH DAY).

This is a reference to all the SABBATHS connected to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS coming to an END. This includes God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH having no more connection to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. It does not mean there is no more WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of God's 4th commandment which is still EVERY SEVENTH day of the week *EXODUS 20:8-11.

Where is the scripture that says God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath has come to an end? There is none.

You are mixing up the SHADOW cermonial laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

The rest of your post here is simply repitition. I would refer you back to post # 103 linked; post # 104 linked and post # 126 linked.

Hope this helps :).
 
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Who do you think you're trying to mislead? The famous 10 are part of the Book of the Law - Mosaic Book of the Covenant.
There is no misleading on my behalf. As shown through God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. You are mixing up the SHADOW cermonial laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.
The annual ceremonies were determined by the lunar calendar as the sabbath was. Arguments about Passover are based on the Gregorian solar calendar. So does the weekly sabbath.
Your confused here. The ANNUAL FEASTS were determined by a luna cycle. God's 4th Commandment sabbath however is every SEVENTH DAY of the week which is a continual weekly cycle.

Hope this helps.
 
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Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. This was spoken to people observing the weekly sabbath that didn't have this rest it pointed to. No I'm not mixing anything. You're mixing and combining the covenants. Col 2:16-17 clearly calls the weekly sabbaths shadows you claim are done away with just like Paul.Those posts have been dealt with many times by Scripture.So was the weekly sabbath
Your just repeating yourself here brother. I would refer you back to post # 103 linked; post # 104 linked and post # 126 linked.
There's not a single passage in the NT requiring the keeping of any of the law.
We do indeed read different bibles. Mine says this; click me. What does yours say?

Sorry brother only sent in love. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
 
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By saying Christians are obligated to the law your claim is also Christians are wicked. The Scripture identifies Christians as righteous even though they sin. Rom 4.
Christians are indeed righteouss if they have been forgiven by faith and have been BORN AGAIN to walk in God's Spirit *1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16. God's LAW is the very standard of what rightouesness is *PSALMS 119:172. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We follow God's WORD because we LOVE GOD not because we are saved by what we do. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. No christian is righteouss while living a life on known unrepentant sin because they are stil in their sins. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
No I'm not endorsing sin nor teaching we can live a life style of sin
But how can you know what sin is if you as you say in your own words we are to throw away God's LAW when it is God's WORD that says it is God's LAW in the NEW COVENANT that gives us the knowledge of what sin is *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7? Are you contradicting yourself here?
God changed the rules (covenant). So the famous 10 aren't eternal even for Israel. The law did its job and no longer has a task. Gal 3:24-25
God's Covenants have changed. God's LAW (10 commandments) however are eternal and do not change *PSALMS 119:142-143; PSALMS 119:172; PSALMS 119:160; ECCLESIASTES; 3:14; EXODUS 32:16, ISAIAH 40:8; EXODUS 20:1-17; 1 PETER 1:25; LUKE 21:33. God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT says God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Hope this helps.
 
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I think you said something about him hiding in his closed thread. He steadfastly refuses to discuss any ones post that doesn't agree with him.

Sadly your post here has no truth in it. I have gone through each post section by section and scripture by scripture. Sadly many ignore the posts and the scriptures sent to them only in love and as a help and want to talk about other things not related to the OP.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29. JESUS says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God are not following God. Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or Man? I know who I believe and follow.

According to God's WORD we read that many are called but few are chosen *MATTHEW 22:14. This is because men love darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil *JOHN 3:19-21. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *LUKE 8:17; 1 CORINTHIANS 4:5. These scriptures are God's WORD and we should hear them *1 CORINTHIANS 13:5.
 
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:rolleyes: I think we have the same Bibles. We just follow different leaders.:)
Indeed. This is something that we can agree on. If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. How can we know what sin is if we have no law when it is God's LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4?
What exactly is "His rest?" Is it the weekly sabbath they kept? How seeing they couldn't enter that rest even though they kept the 7th day sabbath. Why would Jesus extend His invitation found in Mat 11:28-30 to people already observing the weekly repose from working? Neither your idea from Hebrews nor Jesus' invitation support you idea. Heb 4 doesn't mention the sabbath. Nor is it claiming to promote any holy day.The word in Gen 2 is "shabath" a verb which is also used to say the sabbath will cease. God didn't take a periodic rest and return to work as Genesis indicates.This quote is from the polluted Aramaic.The word used is "sabbatismos." This isn't a reference to the the weekly sabbath. The word "sabbaton" isn't found in Heb 4. There's also no implication about the sabbath. Sabbatismos isn't a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew shabbath.No it isn't. It's a typology word. The 7th day sabbath doesn't provide the rest of God, He swore they would never enter. They kept the 7th day sabbath.There is no basis for this found in Scripture.
Only sent in love and as a help but the answers to your questions in this post are already answered in the very post and scriptures you are quoting from. I suggest you read them.

Hope this helps.
 
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You asked for short posts. The scriptures are very clear and answer your question directly and need no explanation on my behalf.

If you do not understand them perhaps you can pray about them. * HEBREWS 6:4-8; HEBREWS 10:26-27; MATTHEW 7:23-24; ROMANS 8:13; GALATIANS 5:19-21; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6.

If you like maybe you can tell me what these scriptures mean to you and how do you think they answer your question?

God bless.
How about you just give me an answer in your words. Then support with scripture if you’d like. Just like your other posts. I assume that this is important to you. And I assume you want to speak truth. So here’s an opportunity to be very clear.
 
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How about you just give me an answer in your words. Then support with scripture if you’d like. Just like your other posts. I assume that this is important to you. And I assume you want to speak truth. So here’s an opportunity to be very clear.

I have already given you my answer supported by the scriptures posted what do you think they mean? Do you believe someone is in a saved state before God, while continuing in known unrepentant sin?
 
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I have already given you my answer supported by the scriptures posted what do you think they mean? Do you believe someone is in a saved state before God, while continuing in known unrepentant sin?
It seems to me that you do not believe so.

Is that correct?
 
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If you read the account of when Paul visited Jerusalem and conferred with the Apostles in the wake of Jewish "apostles" invading Gentile churches, teaching them that they have to comply with the Law of Moses and be circumcised, there were three things that they all agreed on that were requirements for Gentile Christians. Note that keeping the Saturday Sabbath was not one of them. So, according to the Apostles, who were God's authority for the church, Gentile believers were not required to keep the Jewish Sabbath at all.

The main reason why the believers in Jerusalem kept the Sabbath, was that Saturday was the only holiday. Sunday was a working day. But not necessarily so in pagan Gentile societies. We don't know what day they had off, but presumably it was not the Jewish Sabbath.

So, if you want to usurp the authority of the Apostles as shown in Acts, you are free to do so, but don't automatically expect the Holy Spirit to agree with you when you make it a requirement of all believers. He might view you as a false teacher, adding to God's word and the guidelines that the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles and Paul as the outcome of their conference.

There is nothing to stop you observing Saturday as your day of worship. God doesn't really care. But if you start belting people over the head with upper case comments about how everyone should observe the Saturday Sabbath or else, then you might find yourself contending with God Himself. Good luck on that one!
 
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Why are you avoiding giving me a straight answer? That’s not like you.

You have been given a direct answer from God's WORD. What do you think the scriptures mean that were shared with you?
 
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If you read the account of when Paul visited Jerusalem and conferred with the Apostles in the wake of Jewish "apostles" invading Gentile churches, teaching them that they have to comply with the Law of Moses and be circumcised, there were three things that they all agreed on that were requirements for Gentile Christians. Note that keeping the Saturday Sabbath was not one of them. So, according to the Apostles, who were God's authority for the church, Gentile believers were not required to keep the Jewish Sabbath at all.

The main reason why the believers in Jerusalem kept the Sabbath, was that Saturday was the only holiday. Sunday was a working day. But not necessarily so in pagan Gentile societies. We don't know what day they had off, but presumably it was not the Jewish Sabbath.

So, if you want to usurp the authority of the Apostles as shown in Acts, you are free to do so, but don't automatically expect the Holy Spirit to agree with you when you make it a requirement of all believers. He might view you as a false teacher, adding to God's word and the guidelines that the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles and Paul as the outcome of their conference.

There is nothing to stop you observing Saturday as your day of worship. God doesn't really care. But if you start belting people over the head with upper case comments about how everyone should observe the Saturday Sabbath or else, then you might find yourself contending with God Himself. Good luck on that one!

Your argument here about the Sabbath in ACTS 15 can also be reconstructed this way..

Not lying, stealing, worshipping other Gods, committing murder, committing adultery not honoring your parents, coveting and using God's name in vain etc.. is also not mentioned in ACTS 15? Does that mean Christian are now free to break anyone of God's 10 Commandments now?

Can you see the logic in your argument brother? At the end of all this why does Paul conclude the matter elsewhere by saying...

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19],Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

According to God's WORD PAUL is disagreeing with your interpretation of ACTS 15.

Now let's add back in the CONTEXT you have left out ...

ACTS 15:1:21
[1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.

NOTE: ACTS 15:1 is the question that needs to be answered and the topic of conversation and CONTEXT of the chapter of ACTS 15. Here we have Jewish believers coming to Paul and Barnabas saying if the new GENTILES believers are not circumcised and made proselytes then they cannot be saved. This is the chapter context and issue of contention.

[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSLTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

NOTE: ACTS 15:2 Which question? Weather your salvation depends on being CIRCUMCISED.
They then travelled to Jerusalem (v3-4) about this question (v1) to determine if new gentile believers needed to be CIRCUMCISED in order to be saved. Once they got to Jerusalem, the question was then asked and the discussion continued with the Pharasees stating their case first..

[5], But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

NOTE: KEEP in mind here the question was never over if gentile believers should obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the Shadow laws of Moses, in this case CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. CIRCUMCIONS is from the law of MOSES not God’s 10 Commandments written by God on two tables of stone.

[6], And the apostles and elders came together TO CONSIDER THIS MATTER.

NOTE: Again the topic of discussion and chapter CONTEXT that is being considered is the question stated in ACTS 15:1 which was IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION?

[7], And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, you know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[8], And God, who knows the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us;

NOTE: After much discussion between the Apostles, Peter then rose up showing that God gave the gentile believers the Holy Spirit being UNCIRCUMCISED.

[9], And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[10], Now therefore why test God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11], But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

NOTE: They came to the conclusion then that salvation is not by being circumcised but be what circumcision pointed to. A new heart by faith. This is made plain latter in other scripture written by PAUL here...

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

If ACTS 15 was talking about the 10 Commandments then Pauls writings in to the CORITHIANS do not make any sense.

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

The scripture above is a contradiction of how some interpret the outcome of ACTS 15. You do not believe Oscarr, that we are now free to break any of God's 10 Commandments now do you?

[12], Then all the multitude kept silence, and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring what miracles and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.
[13], And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14], Simeon has declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15], And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16], After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17], That the rest of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, says the Lord, who does all these things.
[18], Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
[19], THEREFORE MY JUDGMENT IS THAT WE TROUBLE NOT THEM WHO FROM THE GENTILES ARE TURNED TO GOD:
[20], BUT WRITE UNTO THEM THAT THEY ABSTAIN FROM THE DEFILEMENT OF IDOLS, FORNICATION AND THINGS STRANGLED AND FROM BLOOD.

NOTE: JAMES conclusion is that new Gentile believers should not be troubled with CIRCUMCISION as a requirement of salvation which was the matter being considered and the question being discussion as shown in *ACTS 15:1-2; ACTS 15:6 but asks them to abstain from idols, fornication and from things strangled and from blood.

[21], FOR MOSES OF OLD TIME HAS IN EVERY CITY THEM THAT PREACH HIM, BEING READ IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH.

NOTE: The reason why JAMES sends this letter to the new Gentile believers is that they would continue learning God's WORD EVERY SABBATH.

CONCLUSION So the conclusion of the matter with CONTEXT added back in is found in v19-20 We are not to trouble the new gentile believers with CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. They are new converts that will learn more about GOD'S WORD when? EVERY SABBATH. In the meantime you should abstain from anything offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication.

NOPE nothing written about the 10 Commandments being abolished in this chapter. Here is what PAUL says of the matter here...

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

Yep you may need to revisit your thinking of ACTS 15. CIRCUMCISION is not the 10 Commandments. It is from the Shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

God bless.
 
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