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7 different ones listed in the NT. All are in water unless otherwise stated.
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Christ builds His church from within us
In Matthew 28 we read to go and TEACH all nations, BAPTISING then in the NAME of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost.
The teaching immerses them into the NAME. To be in the Name of the father is to be immersed into the character and qualities of that person. Jesus said while he was on the earth that he kept them in the Fathers name and that he manifested the Fathers NAME to them. Now the name of the Father Son and the Holy Ghost is to be taught and all immersed into the fullness of God.
This is not a formula, as I can tell from scripture of water baptism.
Proverbs 18:10
"The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe."
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Christ builds His church from within us
obviously teachers must be led by the Spirit as wee and given such a gift from God (Ephesians 4:11-16 KJV)
and It is true as we read,
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."(1 John 2:26 KJV)
and
"13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you"(John 16:13-15 KJV)
and
"20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."(Hebrews 13:20,21 KJV)
and
"13For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."(1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV)
"10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."(1 Cor 2:10-14 KJV)
"20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things."(1 John 2:20 KJV)
etc etc etc
you might want to consider this section as well
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And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."(1 Cor 2:1-5 KJV)
and these verses also
"...7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,"( 1 Timothy 1:7-9 KJV)
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Christ builds His church from within us
The baptism with the Holy Ghost , the baptism into Christ, or into Jesus Christ, the baptism by one Spirit that all have into one body are not water. Also the baptism unto sufferings is not water and the teaching that immerses all into the NAME of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost would appear to not be water either.
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I agree.
And this isn't a problem that just effects women. Sometimes I look at myself critically and I wonder how much I am not being myself, and trying to conform to a religious community's overly narrow expectations.
Part of the problem I believe, is that I've been in some religious communities that were extremely controlling or traditionalist, and for a while I rejected all religion altogether as a result, and I don't know how to integrate it all back together.
I heard an Anglican priest talking about this on youtube a few days ago, talking about human dignity and touching on that theme, and it was a message I had not heard in many churches.
The Church needs to actually do more to train people in being genuinely loving, and not just pious. We are not used to thinking of love as a conscious discipline, Protestants typically think of love as just something that happens supernaturally, but perhaps that is something that needs to be challenged.
Maybe less shoulds, period. Sometimes sex is all those things, and that's more often than not, fine. Though I think comparing sex to car maintanence is a bit creepy, sometimes people do get different things from sex, other than mind blowing experiences.
Letting go of the Calvinist need to rationally regulate every aspect of our lives according to an ideal, and just being comfortable in our own skin, is something that could go a long ways to making Christianity genuinely attractive again. People outside the Church are tired of hearing shrill, moralistic voices of all sorts.
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Yep.
"1 If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. 9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love." (1 Corinthians 13)
4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. 9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love." (1 Corinthians 13)
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Excellent point.
I've been trying to put words to what I've experienced in Protestant churches (and on CF as well) - and how there's this disconnect from teaching on love and seeing the dignity in all of humanity (and, instead, there's an alternate focus....but I wasn't able to identify it, because the distinction is rather shrouded. You just identified it - "piety"). And I also agree - that doesn't just occur supernaturally (and immediately).....it needs to be practiced....exercised.
The way that ties into gender equality is that it's most commonly believed in mainstream modern patriarchal churches that it's a woman's trait to nurture and have compassion (and "loving" gets minimized and narrowed in the process - and often men get excluded all together).
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There's a pastor/counselor/coach that I learned about years ago - Joe Ehrmann - that, I believe, does an excellent job of teaching the difference between genuinely loving others and acting pious. The way he makes the distinction is transactional compared to transformative behavior. Ehrmann was a former NFL coach - and that's where he gleaned most of his experience/lessons from (so a lot of his material is based on sports - but the lessons translate well to life in general).
Quoting from linked article ~ In his book, InSideOut Coaching, Coach Joe Ehrmann describes two types of coaches: transactional and transformative. Transactional coaches, he writes, “use players as tools to meet their personal needs for validation, status, and identity” (5). In contrast, transformational coaches use “their coaching platform to impart life-changing messages.” They are “other-centered. They use their power and platform to nurture and transform players” (6). ~ https://www.dallasparochialleague.com/ourpages/PLC Coaches Newsletters/13-14/plc_newsletter_coach_051314.pdf
Quoting from another article about Joe Ehrmann ~ One of the coaching models I describe in InSideOut Coaching, is Dorothy Gale of Kansas. Yes, Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy is the epitome of a transformational coach. She doesn't build a hierarchical power structure with herself on top; she weaves her team into a web of authentic relationships, compassionate interactions and communal goals. Coach Dorothy assumes the fundamental responsibilities of every transformative coach. First, she builds authentic relationships with her players that allow her to understand their deepest fears, needs, and longings. Second, she creates a caring community based on the inherent value and worth of every player. And third, Coach Gale creates a game-plan to help each player maximum their greatest potential.
One of Coach D's greatest strengths lies in her view of team building. Team building is most often thought of in terms of breaking down players, cutting the least talented, creating a hierarchy, and then acting with the authoritarianism of the Wizard. Building a "team without walls" is crafted differently; Dorothy deftly weaves together a team of insecure, needy, and desperate players. Their unique gifts, abilities, and histories complement one another. Dorothy provides her players, Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion with love, acceptance and belonging. She understands every player is born with a Divine inner light, capable of knowing, loving and spiritually communing with the Universe and endowed with infinite potential for goodness and greatness. As a result of this relationship, they transcend their self-imposed limitations and play for Coach. Her courage, honesty, empathy, and genuine concern for her players become the team's very ethos. ~ InSideOut Coach Dorothy
Quoting from another article about Joe Ehrmann ~ One of the coaching models I describe in InSideOut Coaching, is Dorothy Gale of Kansas. Yes, Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy is the epitome of a transformational coach. She doesn't build a hierarchical power structure with herself on top; she weaves her team into a web of authentic relationships, compassionate interactions and communal goals. Coach Dorothy assumes the fundamental responsibilities of every transformative coach. First, she builds authentic relationships with her players that allow her to understand their deepest fears, needs, and longings. Second, she creates a caring community based on the inherent value and worth of every player. And third, Coach Gale creates a game-plan to help each player maximum their greatest potential.
One of Coach D's greatest strengths lies in her view of team building. Team building is most often thought of in terms of breaking down players, cutting the least talented, creating a hierarchy, and then acting with the authoritarianism of the Wizard. Building a "team without walls" is crafted differently; Dorothy deftly weaves together a team of insecure, needy, and desperate players. Their unique gifts, abilities, and histories complement one another. Dorothy provides her players, Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion with love, acceptance and belonging. She understands every player is born with a Divine inner light, capable of knowing, loving and spiritually communing with the Universe and endowed with infinite potential for goodness and greatness. As a result of this relationship, they transcend their self-imposed limitations and play for Coach. Her courage, honesty, empathy, and genuine concern for her players become the team's very ethos. ~ InSideOut Coach Dorothy
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Great points MKG!
It reminds me of a sermon given back around 2003 at Beth Messiah in Rockvill MD. It was by Rabbi Carl Kinbar, now dean of the Messianic Jewish Theological Institute, A messianic seminary run by the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
In his last sermon to Beth Messiah, he talked about the inherent dignity and honor every man and woman should receive based on the fact that they all carry the Image of God.
It reminds me of a sermon given back around 2003 at Beth Messiah in Rockvill MD. It was by Rabbi Carl Kinbar, now dean of the Messianic Jewish Theological Institute, A messianic seminary run by the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
In his last sermon to Beth Messiah, he talked about the inherent dignity and honor every man and woman should receive based on the fact that they all carry the Image of God.
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