NZ Global push to end racism after attack on Mosque

FutureAndAHope · Mar 20, 2019

I heard on the news this morning that NZ plans a global push to end Racism. Is this a good or a bad thing?

My thoughts are that this will not produce any good. The idea to prevent racism is a great idea in principal. But around this whole area my opinion is it can not come to any good. The reason is that giving place to the Islamic faith, via concessions, and silencing voices of decent can only cause the Islamic faith to grown in strength, and power. We only have to look into the world to see that where Islam has power so to does oppression, and violence.

Some would call me Islamophobic for saying that. But I truly believe Islam should never be encouraged. On top of many Quranic calls to violence, Mohammad in the Hadith literature performed many crimes, which today would be considered terrorism. One such crime was to burn alive some of his followers in one of his own Mosques due to the fact that he believed Allah told him they were not true Muslims. He was a sick man, do we really want our citizens unable to voice concern over his actions, and the actions spurred on by this teachings. I think not.

If we really want to stop terrorism we need to be converting Muslims to Christ. Christ who taught us to "love our enemies", replacing the horrific religion of Islam, with some thing far better.

Go Braves · Mar 20, 2019

God bless them for their efforts & prayers for their success.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 20, 2019

FutureAndAHope said:
I heard on the news this morning that NZ plans a global push to end Racism. Is this a good or a bad thing?

My thoughts are that this will not produce any good. The idea to prevent racism is a great idea in principal. But around this whole area my opinion is it can not come to any good. The reason is that giving place to the Islamic faith, via concessions, and silencing voices of decent can only cause the Islamic faith to grown in strength, and power. We only have to look into the world to see that where Islam has power so to does oppression, and violence.

Some would call me Islamophobic for saying that. But I truly believe Islam should never be encouraged. On top of many Quranic calls to violence, Mohammad in the Hadith literature performed many crimes, which today would be considered terrorism. One such crime was to burn alive some of his followers in one of his own Mosques due to the fact that he believed Allah told him they were not true Muslims. He was a sick man, do we really want our citizens unable to voice concern over his actions, and the actions spurred on by this teachings. I think not.

If we really want to stop terrorism we need to be converting Muslims to Christ. Christ who taught us to "love our enemies", replacing the horrific religion of Islam, with some thing far better.

I heard of a Muslim who turned to Christ because He saw in Christ a greater love than anything he had experienced in his Muslim faith. I believe that because many members of the Christian community in NZ are reaching out in love and support for the families of the victims, they are showing the love of Christ, and there is a great opportunity for the Holy Spirit, through Christians, to show a love that they have never seen before and this may spark a Christian revival among the Muslim community.

timothyu · Mar 20, 2019

Humans can never solve their problems by acting like other humans. Jesus taught us to use a method that works outside the realm of man. Loving neighbour as self is an ideal solution to the problem. But it has to work both directions.
As a Christian and secular world is falling over themselves lately to condemn those who lash out at others, specifically the Muslim nation, I am still wondering when those we seek to treat as self, will consider doing the same.
Where in the last 18 years has been the outcry by the Muslim world against the terrorism done against the non-muslim nations, to the degree we see non-Muslims speaking out today against the evils done to the muslim world? Will the end result in a few years be like with anti-semitism where no one dares speak out, in this case against terrorist atrocities for fear of being called bigots? Look at what Ergodan said today.

This post is not meant to be anti anyone. It is merely pointing out in order to work, loving neighbour as self must work both ways. There was an article today that triggered this thought. It was about a parent sending a letter to his son not knowing how to explain the violence of others towards his people. I wonder if he wrote the same letter when the shoe was on the other foot? I don't recall a barrage of media headlines granting the victims of terrorism the same empathy. Something to consider before we self-righteous ourselves out of existence in the name of righteousness. Guard those pearls you media types desperate to show how wonderful we of other faiths are.
We cannot come to a solution unless loving neighbour as self is practised by both sides. We can however martyr ourselves for the principles of the Kingdom, not in lashing out, eye for an eye, but in dying for our beliefs that all mankind should love all neighbours as self. That is how Jesus taught us to play the victim card. Man has it's own ways of using that card for self gain and we've seen many groups successfully use if for self gain at the expense of others, the traditional way of mankind.

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football5680 · Mar 20, 2019

FutureAndAHope said:
On top of many Quranic calls to violence, Mohammad in the Hadith literature performed many crimes, which today would be considered terrorism. One such crime was to burn alive some of his followers in one of his own Mosques due to the fact that he believed Allah told him they were not true Muslims.

Do you have a source for this that I can read? I know he tortured some guy with fire because he wanted to know where he hid his treasure but I hadn't heard what you said before. I agree with the other stuff you were saying.

creslaw · Mar 21, 2019

I think religious persecution in the future, especially in Western countries, will be the liberal versus conservative sides of Christianity ... with the latter faring worse as liberal Christian & secular attitudes become more aligned.

FutureAndAHope · Mar 23, 2019

football5680 said:
Do you have a source for this that I can read? I know he tortured some guy with fire because he wanted to know where he hid his treasure but I hadn't heard what you said before. I agree with the other stuff you were saying.

It is in the same book as the treasure story. The act was not specifically carried out by Muhammad, but by his order.

Sirat Rasoul Allah- The earliest biography of Muhammad, by ibn Ishaq

25 Tabuk -
Before the apostle had left for Tabuk he had been approached by some men who said,
'We have built a mosque for the sick and the needy, for wet and for cold nights, and
we are anxious that thou shouldst come and pray therein.' He had replied, 'I am on the
verge of leaving, but when we return, we shall, if Allah willeth, pay you a visit and
pray in the mosque.' When he alighted at Dhu-Awan, an hour's ride from Medina , on
his return, information was sent down to him from Allah about the mosque. He called
two of his followers and said, 'Go to this mosque, whose people are unrighteous;
destroy it; burn it.' So they departed in haste and took a blazing date-branch to the
mosque. Although there were people in it, they burned and destroyed it. This was the
verse of the Koran revealed concerning this matter: 'And those who erected a mosque
out of opposition and unbelief and to cause a schism among the Believers -they will
say "We desired nothing but good". Allah knows they lie. Enter no such mosque.'

Your story was:

Kinana, the husband of Safiya, had been guardian of the tribe's treasures, and he was
brought before the apostle, who asked where they were hidden. But Kinana refused to
disclose the place. Then a Jew came who said, 'I have seen Kinana walk around a
certain ruin every morning.' The apostle asked Kinana, 'Art thou prepared to die if we
find thou knewest where the treasure was?' And he replied, 'Yes.' So the apostle
ordered the ruin to be dug up, and some of the treasure was found. After that Kinana
was asked again about the remainder, but he still refused to tell. The apostle of Allah
handed him over to al-Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until he tells what he knows', and
al-Zubayr kindled a fire on his chest so that he almost expired; then the apostle gave
him to Muhammad b. Maslama, who struck off his head.

FutureAndAHope · Mar 23, 2019

Oscarr said:
I heard of a Muslim who turned to Christ because He saw in Christ a greater love than anything he had experienced in his Muslim faith. I believe that because many members of the Christian community in NZ are reaching out in love and support for the families of the victims, they are showing the love of Christ, and there is a great opportunity for the Holy Spirit, through Christians, to show a love that they have never seen before and this may spark a Christian revival among the Muslim community.

Point taken. I agree. When you pray, pray for me that I can forgive the Muslims, for their blindness, and violence.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 23, 2019

FutureAndAHope said:
Point taken. I agree. When you pray, pray for me that I can forgive the Muslims, for their blindness, and violence.

I understand that it takes a miracle for a Muslim to turn to Christ and prayer is the most powerful way of achieving that. Most Muslims I have met are ordinary peace-loving people who worship their god in a different way that we do.

The violent ones are the extremists, which exist in every movement. We had it in Northern Ireland with the bombings, violence, etc. We tend to blame all Muslims for 9/11 when it was just a relatively small group of extremists deciding to make a violent point. In the 1970s it was Black September who killed the Israeli athletes.

The parts in the Koran that support violence were written when the Prophet was experiencing serious persecution and the only way he could see to counter the violence toward him and his relatively small group of followers at the time was to use violence. But those were the times they all lived in

We don't condone the violence, and forgiving doesn't mean that we accept everything they believe and do. When there was the general memorial services around the country for the victims of the Christchurch massacre, there were Muslim prayers, and there was a Muslim prayer at our Parliament that had the phrase, "There is no God but Allah". One particular large church stood up against that and publicly said, "That is not us!" But there were a lot a Christian groups who said amen to that prayer, probably because they didn't know what they were saying amen to. To accept a prayer like that and say amen to it is a compromise, and it is sad that the traditional churches are compromising in that way. This is why these churches have only religion and not the reality and presence of the Holy Spirit among them.

But, we love the individual Muslim, and see him or her as just another sinner needing Christ, in the same way we view JWs, Christian Science, and Mormons who worship a different God than we do.

Alithis · Mar 27, 2019

Most Muslims. Have never ever heard the Gospel of JESUS
And wont from the greater so called Christian community.
Because they dont know it or believe it.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Mar 27, 2019

Apparently the Imam who lead that anti-racism rally here blamed the Mossad for Christchurch shooting and accused certain business owners here of supporting Israel in this effort.

I think that is amazing that despite all this language of love and peace, Muslims always find an excuse to blame the Jews.

timothyu · Mar 27, 2019

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
I think that is amazing that despite all this language of love and peace, Muslims always find an excuse to blame the Jews.

Sibling rivalry

Alithis · Mar 28, 2019

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Apparently the Imam who lead that anti-racism rally here blamed the Mossad for Christchurch shooting and accused certain business owners here of supporting Israel in this effort.

I think that is amazing that despite all this language of love and peace, Muslims always find an excuse to blame the Jews.

Can you cite reference please... ?

I found it interesting that after isis called for revenge...
The nz muslim society said there is no such sentiment among the victims... (Yet..they are still in shock but gried always gives way to anger ) but as yet iv heard NO public declaration from the NZ muslim association condemning Violence against all peoples and religions.
Even in the face of new zealanders condemung all violence against all races and religions.

Wy has the NZ muslim association not declared the same ?
Do they in fact Condone that violence... ?

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