How to choose between creation and evolution.

BNR32FAN said:

If something cannot come from nothing then the creation of everything is infinite. There would be no beginning. If Christians believe this then they don’t believe in God’s Word.

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Earths' Creation came from the spoken word from God ... and that .... was the beginning of our earth. That's the point ..... the "something" was God and that is where life comes from.

God has always been.

eleos1954 said:

Earths' Creation came from the spoken word from God ... and that .... was the beginning of our earth. That's the point ..... the "something" was God and that is where life comes from.

God has always been.

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Very true, and by that standard one need not have to choose between creation and evolution.

eleos1954 said:

Earths' Creation came from the spoken word from God ... and that .... was the beginning of our earth. That's the point ..... the "something" was God and that is where life comes from.

God has always been.

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I’m a little confused friend. Do you think that I’m referring to the Word (Jesus) when I mentioned something? My point was that everything cannot be created from something else. There has to be a beginning. For example if I say the earth was created by the Big Bang then something had to create the Big Bang and something had to creat whatever created the Big Bang and on and on and on for infinity if everything must be created by something. There had to be something that was never created for there to be a beginning. I believe it is God. God was never created and created everything thru Jesus Christ.

The problem is that science is not equipped to answer questions about the supernatural. And most creationists never seem to understand that. Science is a process used by us to get accurate info about natural phenomena. The Big Bang is a natural phenomenon. God-did-it is supernatural.

And the truth is you’re guessing that God was before the Big Bang as we really have no way of confirming that. As a Christian I believe that God created but I don’t accept the biblical version as historically accurate

Apologies for the resurrection...

tas8831 said:

Mere assertions.


OK - let me pick... the human obturator foramen*.

Please provide evidence that it was created.

Specialized tissues are not molecules.

But tell us all, exactly, which molecules associated with the obturator foramen were created and provide the evidence for this. Tell me about the inductive processes that produced the specialized tissues associated with it, and show me the evidence that those processes and tissues were created.

Merely saying they were does not count. And do not engage in the burden shifting fallacy by demanding I prove they were not created. YOU claimed they were created, now show that you have more than overconfident assertions.



Abiogenesis =|= evolution.


Via the acquisition or the altered expression of genes. A Genetics class will cure your ignorance of this.



Argument from personal incredulity coupled with burden shifting fallacy.


You could not support your assertions for even ONE exchange.

I suspect next you will bring out the bible verses?

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As one could have predicted, Oldwiseguy could not explain how the obturator foramen was created. And despite his claims of having studied anatomy (which he still makes), he could not even tell that what was pictured was NOT a human pelvis...

tas8831 said:

Apologies for the resurrection...

As one could have predicted, Oldwiseguy could not explain how the obturator foramen was created. And despite his claims of having studied anatomy (which he still makes), he could not even tell that what was pictured was NOT a human pelvis...

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Well, at least he chose God/creationism, over Atheism/we have no idea how life started.

Priorities, man, priorities.

Kenny'sID said:

Well, at least he chose God/creationism, over Atheism/we have no idea how life started.

Priorities, man, priorities.

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Right. I choose God/evolution.

Speedwell said:

Right. I choose God/evolution.

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I'm sorry.

Kenny'sID said:

I'm sorry.

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Why?

bhsmte said:

Why?

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Because those that choose God/YEC are always sorry.

bhsmte said:

Why?

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I think creation rules, and am sorry for anyone who doesn't. Imagine that, a disagreement on a thread like this.

Tinker Grey said:

Because those that choose God/YEC are always sorry.

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Why?

Kenny'sID said:

I think creation rules, and am sorry for anyone who doesn't. Imagine that, a disagreement on a thread like this.

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But why specifically are you sorry?

Kenny'sID said:

I'm sorry.

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Why? You never did think you were going to recruit me to your brand of Christianity, did you?

Kenny'sID said:

Well, at least he chose God/creationism, over Atheism/we have no idea how life started.

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Sounds to me like creationism is just "god of the gaps".

Which probably explains that why as a belief system it is on the decline...

bhsmte said:

But why specifically are you sorry?

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Forum rules forbid my saying.

Speedwell said:

Why? You never did think you were going to recruit me to your brand of Christianity, did you?

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Not sure why you'd think that, and nope, you're just going to have to make your own choice.

pitabread said:

Sounds to me like creationism is just "god of the gaps".

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pitabread said:

Which probably explains that why as a belief system it is on the decline...

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The belief system is alive, and well, and only on the decline because less people are interested in the truth. And a bit arrogant to think it's because of your "gaps" theory, I'll have to look into that one. I'm not even clear on what you mean and still don't buy it.

Kenny'sID said:

Not sure why you'd think that, and nope, you're just going to have to make your own choice.

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Good. I just wish that more your coreligionists showed the same lack of political ambition.

Kenny'sID said:

The belief system is alive, and well, and only on the decline because less people are interested in the truth.

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It appears to be primarily on the decline because of education. Belief in creationism is correlated with lack of understanding of science, evolution, and lower educational attainment. Creationist beliefs do not appear to be able to withstand education and knowledge.

On top of that, the theory of evolution has been becoming continuously more relevant over time, particularly in the last few decades. Creationists don't acknowledge this, however, and therefore have turned a blind eye to what they are even up against.

So it's a little ironic to claim that people aren't interested in the "truth" when creationism itself appears to thrive on ignorance.

And a bit arrogant to think it's because of your "gaps" theory, I'll have to look into that one. I'm not even clear on what you mean and still don't buy it.

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God of the gaps refers to inserting god into gaps in human knowledge.

This comes up commonly when discussing the origin of life. Creationists use "God did it" for answers to questions that science doesn't currently have fully answered, especially life's origin. The problem is that once science does fully map out the origin of life (they have various pieces already mapped out), what happens to God?