The gospel communicates the righteousness of God, by grace through faith. The practical application is found in the gifts of the Holy Spirit as one example, the Greek word for gifts is charisma, it literally means grace. I don't get you Steve, you ask about the difference between the Law and the Prophets, something I've studied quite a bit and I respond, you do not reply. There is some issue with regards to the Law being abolished, something the New Testament witness clearly denies. You bring up the right subjects but I'm not sure what direction your trying to take the discussion. Balance between the legalistic and licentious extremes is a practical approach to the subject, one that can avoid a lot of hazards along the way.
The gospel communicates the righteousness of God, by grace through faith. The practical application is found in the gifts of the Holy Spirit as one example, the Greek word for gifts is charisma, it literally means grace. I don't get you Steve, you ask about the difference between the Law and the Prophets, something I've studied quite a bit and I respond, you do not reply. There is some issue with regards to the Law being abolished, something the New Testament witness clearly denies. You bring up the right subjects but I'm not sure what direction your trying to take the discussion. Balance between the legalistic and licentious extremes is a practical approach to the subject, one that can avoid a lot of hazards along the way.
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (John 1:17-18)
The Law came by Moses, but the righteousness that is by faith came by Jesus Christ. By the mercies of God in Christ we enter the throne room of grace boldly, since he has entered the holy of holies were our faith holds like an anchor.
It can be summed up, "Jehovah Our Righteousness" (Jeremiah 23:6) – our only righteousness (Psalm 71:16). And we pray to be "found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith" (Philippians 3:9).
You act like I have never read the chapter before. I have read this chapter many times and debated it using the context with others online for many years. Please stop acting superior and just explain to me what you think the verse actually says in context. Can you explain how you believe every word in 1 John 3:15? Do you not read this verse literally? Or do you seek to make it metaphorical because you do not like what it says?
Yet the cleansing of our sins, our justification is solely due to Christ's work in the first instance.
We are saved literally because we call on the name of the Lord.
Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Let's say on Monday you confessed a sin. Then on Tuesday you also confessed a sin. The Christian that was justified in Christ on Monday was also justified in Christ on Tuesday.
Now Wednesday has arrived, you did not confess your sin. Does this then mean that you are damned eternally?
Well, you are half right. The works that Paul condemned were the works of the Law of Moses like "circumcision" (Which no longer applied in the New Covenant). What you will not find in the New Testament is the condemnation of works of faith after one is saved by God's grace. What you will not find is the condemnation to love God, and to love your neighbor as a part of eternal life. What you will not find is the condemnation to keep the Moral Law as a part of salvation.
After the Death of Christ, the New Testament condemns:
(a) Going back to the OT ceremonial laws as a part of salvation.
(b) Being saved by Works Alone without God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
But you are not telling me what that greater context is by pointing it out to me. Your just saying that and not given me any Scriptural explanation on the matter. I provided the context of Ephesians 2:8-9, and it is talking about being quickened (which is a one time act when somebody first accepts Christ - See again Ephesians 2:1). I believe again that you simply do not like this truth, and so you choose to ignore because it does not line up with your Soteriology. Unless of course you want to explain the greater context or something.
You are not reading the entire context and believing James 2:17-18.
James 2:17 says faith without works is dead.
Can a dead faith save anyone?
No. Only a living and active faith can save.
In James 2:18, James says he will show his faith by his works (i.e. his works of faith).
So again, if there is no works, there is no faith.
Can you be saved without faith?
No. Most certainly not.
James 2:24 says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone (or faith only).
Meaning, we need more than just a belief (faith) but we need works of faith.
Otherwise our faith is like that of demons (See James 2:19).
Otherwise our faith is dead like the body is dead without the spirit (James 2:26).
So I am just to believe you for no good reason over what 1 John 1:7 says plainly?
Surely not. Again, it means what it says.
If we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Walking in the light = Keeping God's commandments (Compare 1 John 1:7 with 1 John 2:3).
Walking in darkness = Not keeping God's commandments (Compare 1 John 1:6 with 1 John 2:4).
Keeping God's commandments is similar to loving one's brother (abiding in the light).
Not keeping God's commandments is similar to not loving one's brother (abiding in darkness).
9 "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes." (1 John 2:9-11).
Besides, Hebrews 5:9 also says a similar thing as 1 John 1:7, too. Hebrews 5:9 says that Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him. So yeah; It's more than a belief alone in Jesus when it comes to eternal salvation.
Before you were arguing otherwise.
For if you truly believe this then you would believe in works of faith follows God's saving grace through faith like I do. But you don't. So you really do not believe that believing in Jesus has to include listening to Jesus and following Him. For you are against the idea that sin can separate a believer from God. So no kind of lack of work or lack of obedience can condemn a Christian in your view. So no. You really don't believe that if a believer trusts in Jesus they will listen and follow Jesus. Such a thing is not necessary, and if it is not necessary, then folks are not going to do what is not necessary. But lets say for the sake of argument that you are one of those OSAS proponents who believes that every saint or true believer will be regenerated to do good works every time without fail. This view is also not taught in the Scriptures, either.
Here is a list of Scripture verses on how we are told that we need to endure, overcome, resist temptation as a part of eternal life:
We need to endure in our faith to continue to be saved:
"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" Hebrews 3:13-14.
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12.
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13.
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10.
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Revelation 2:7.
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Revelation 2:11.
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Revelation 3:5.
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 1:21.
You contradict yourself. You say on the one hand you are saved by a belief alone (Which implies that a believer can sin and still be saved). Yet, on the other hand you say that a believer will follow Jesus. The thing is you cannot do both. One is either sinning or they are following Jesus. Jesus said we cannot serve two masters.
As for gifts:
I can receive a car as a free gift, but if I drive with a flat tire at tops speeds (ignoring general maintenance), or if I run red lights, drive drunk, and or hit pedestrians, it is highly possible that I will not have my free gift (a car) for very long. The same is true if a man considers his wife as a gift from the Lord (that he has prayed for). Does that mean that the man can cheat on his wife (who he regards as a free gift from God) with him expecting her to stay with him? No. The man has to put forth works of responsibility in showing that he is faithful and loving towards her to maintain that relationship (Which is a gift from God).
So there is a difference between works of responsibility in possessing a free gift, vs. doing works at a job so as to earn money or some form of payment in return for the effort put in.
But you do need to meet the conditions (Which is to OBEY Him according to Hebrews 5:9).
God does not force salvation upon anyone. We have to cooperate with God. Salvation is synergistic. Otherwise there would be no warnings given to us in the Bible about overcoming, or sin, etc.
This is man made statement that has no basis in Scripture. The Bible does not teach future sin is forgiven you. That's wrong to even teach that. For if you do teach it, such a thing will lead others to think they can turn God's grace into a license for immorality (Whether you want that to happen or not). For if there was no consequences anymore in obeying the speed limit on the high ways, more people would speed and get into car accidents. Thus, as a result, more people would get hurt and killed.
The Lord our God is a God of order and logic. He made parables to illustrate spiritual truth. This is something that your belief cannot do. Your belief cannot support basic morality in a real world scenario. This is why your belief is simply not true (and you know it deep down).
For the heresy is not in doing good as a part of being in God's Kingdom; The heresy is in sinning and in disobeying God and treating God's grace as a license for immorality. God is good; And He will not condone a person's thinking that they can do evil and be rewarded with the goodness of His Kingdom. It simply does not work like that.
No. The gospel is tied to obedience and or holy living (Sanctification):
Proof #1. - 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
13 “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvationthrough sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14).
Proof #2. - Romans 16:25-26.
25 “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:” (Romans 16:25-26).
Proof #3. - 1 Thessalonians 1:8-9 and 1 Thessalonians 1:11-12.
8 “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, andthat obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;” (1 Thessalonians 1:8-9).
11 “Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thessalonians 1:11-12).
Matthew 23:37-38
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
Evidently, you don't get it. Nor do you read other versions. AMPC
But now the righteousness of God has been revealed independently and altogether apart from the Law, although actually it is attested by the Law and the Prophets, BRG
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; CEB
But now God’s righteousness has been revealed apart from the Law, which is confirmed by the Law and the Prophets. DARBY
But now without law righteousness of God is manifested, borne witness to by the law and the prophets;
I suggest you read other translations before making stuff up out of thin air.
30 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; לא לֹא כַבְּרִית, אֲשֶׁר כָּרַתִּי אֶת-אֲבוֹתָם, בְּיוֹם הֶחֱזִיקִי בְיָדָם, לְהוֹצִיאָם מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרָיִם: אֲשֶׁר-הֵמָּה הֵפֵרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי, וְאָנֹכִי בָּעַלְתִּי בָם--נְאֻם-יְהוָה. 31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. לב כִּי זֹאת הַבְּרִית אֲשֶׁר אֶכְרֹת אֶת-בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל אַחֲרֵי הַיָּמִים הָהֵם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה, נָתַתִּי אֶת-תּוֹרָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם, וְעַל-לִבָּם אֶכְתְּבֶנָּה; וְהָיִיתִי לָהֶם לֵאלֹהִים, וְהֵמָּה יִהְיוּ-לִי לְעָם. 32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; לג וְלֹא יְלַמְּדוּ עוֹד, אִישׁ אֶת-רֵעֵהוּ וְאִישׁ אֶת-אָחִיו לֵאמֹר, דְּעוּ, אֶת-יְהוָה: כִּי-כוּלָּם יֵדְעוּ אוֹתִי לְמִקְּטַנָּם וְעַד-גְּדוֹלָם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה--כִּי אֶסְלַח לַעֲוֺנָם, וּלְחַטָּאתָם לֹא אֶזְכָּר-עוֹד. {ס} 33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
30 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; לא לֹא כַבְּרִית, אֲשֶׁר כָּרַתִּי אֶת-אֲבוֹתָם, בְּיוֹם הֶחֱזִיקִי בְיָדָם, לְהוֹצִיאָם מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרָיִם: אֲשֶׁר-הֵמָּה הֵפֵרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי, וְאָנֹכִי בָּעַלְתִּי בָם--נְאֻם-יְהוָה. 31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. לב כִּי זֹאת הַבְּרִית אֲשֶׁר אֶכְרֹת אֶת-בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל אַחֲרֵי הַיָּמִים הָהֵם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה, נָתַתִּי אֶת-תּוֹרָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם, וְעַל-לִבָּם אֶכְתְּבֶנָּה; וְהָיִיתִי לָהֶם לֵאלֹהִים, וְהֵמָּה יִהְיוּ-לִי לְעָם. 32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; לג וְלֹא יְלַמְּדוּ עוֹד, אִישׁ אֶת-רֵעֵהוּ וְאִישׁ אֶת-אָחִיו לֵאמֹר, דְּעוּ, אֶת-יְהוָה: כִּי-כוּלָּם יֵדְעוּ אוֹתִי לְמִקְּטַנָּם וְעַד-גְּדוֹלָם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה--כִּי אֶסְלַח לַעֲוֺנָם, וּלְחַטָּאתָם לֹא אֶזְכָּר-עוֹד. {ס} 33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
The gospel communicates the righteousness of God, by grace through faith. The practical application is found in the gifts of the Holy Spirit as one example, the Greek word for gifts is charisma, it literally means grace. I don't get you Steve, you ask about the difference between the Law and the Prophets, something I've studied quite a bit and I respond, you do not reply. There is some issue with regards to the Law being abolished, something the New Testament witness clearly denies. You bring up the right subjects but I'm not sure what direction your trying to take the discussion. Balance between the legalistic and licentious extremes is a practical approach to the subject, one that can avoid a lot of hazards along the way.
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. (John 1:17-18)
The Law came by Moses, but the righteousness that is by faith came by Jesus Christ. By the mercies of God in Christ we enter the throne room of grace boldly, since he has entered the holy of holies were our faith holds like an anchor.
It can be summed up, "Jehovah Our Righteousness" (Jeremiah 23:6) – our only righteousness (Psalm 71:16). And we pray to be "found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith" (Philippians 3:9).
30 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; לא לֹא כַבְּרִית, אֲשֶׁר כָּרַתִּי אֶת-אֲבוֹתָם, בְּיוֹם הֶחֱזִיקִי בְיָדָם, לְהוֹצִיאָם מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרָיִם: אֲשֶׁר-הֵמָּה הֵפֵרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי, וְאָנֹכִי בָּעַלְתִּי בָם--נְאֻם-יְהוָה. 31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. לב כִּי זֹאת הַבְּרִית אֲשֶׁר אֶכְרֹת אֶת-בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל אַחֲרֵי הַיָּמִים הָהֵם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה, נָתַתִּי אֶת-תּוֹרָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם, וְעַל-לִבָּם אֶכְתְּבֶנָּה; וְהָיִיתִי לָהֶם לֵאלֹהִים, וְהֵמָּה יִהְיוּ-לִי לְעָם. 32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; לג וְלֹא יְלַמְּדוּ עוֹד, אִישׁ אֶת-רֵעֵהוּ וְאִישׁ אֶת-אָחִיו לֵאמֹר, דְּעוּ, אֶת-יְהוָה: כִּי-כוּלָּם יֵדְעוּ אוֹתִי לְמִקְּטַנָּם וְעַד-גְּדוֹלָם, נְאֻם-יְהוָה--כִּי אֶסְלַח לַעֲוֺנָם, וּלְחַטָּאתָם לֹא אֶזְכָּר-עוֹד. {ס} 33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
