Can A.I. become Self-Aware as in Skynet?

FireDragon76 · Feb 15, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
I doubt that because if we the builder are limited, the AI programmer would have to be. Or at least the programmer would be superior.

It's emotion that drives us to learn/do better. That's not an emotion in itself but the emotion that ensues from being stressed out because we aren't "doing better" causes us to improve.

Not necessarily. Emotions also drive humans to do worse. A small child, for instance , will choose a lesser reward if it also means that another person they dislike will also receive a lesser reward. It's illogical and self-defeating but "emotionally satisfying". And this is the sort of petty stuff that has tended to define humanity throughout the centuries.

Kenny'sID · Feb 15, 2019

I agree, but as I said don't underestimate the power of emotion just because of it's down side.

And remember, you are talking about a child, not adults.

Tone · Feb 16, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
I doubt that because if we the builder are limited, the AI programmer would have to be.

But aren't we talking about a "ghost in the machine"...extra (or even super)-human intelligence aiding it?

Kenny'sID · Feb 16, 2019

Tone said:
But aren't we talking about a "ghost in the machine"...extra (or even super)-human intelligence aiding it?

I wouldn't know, I'm doing well just to keep up here.

FireDragon76 · Feb 16, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
I agree, but as I said don't underestimate the power of emotion just because of it's down side.

And remember, you are talking about a child, not adults.

Adults make these same self-defeating choices, too, but dealing with less immediate and tangible rewards. In adults we see this in the tendency to harbor resentments of various kinds, which are especially common in our culture. Whole political parties can be fuelled by resentment, and the same negative emotions can prevent people from cooperating towards a common good.

Kenny'sID · Feb 16, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Adults make these same self-defeating choices, too, but dealing with less immediate and tangible rewards. In adults we see this in the tendency to harbor resentments of various kinds, which are especially common in our culture. Whole political parties can be fuelled by resentment, and the same negative emotions can prevent people from cooperating towards a common good.

Looks like we're heading in a different direction here, but I suppose it would depend on the particular resentment as to whether that is a problem or not.

Tone · Feb 16, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
I wouldn't know, I'm doing well just to keep up here.

In other words, demonic assistance with technology...

Aldebaran · Feb 16, 2019

Tone said:
In other words, demonic assistance with technology...

That's basically it. Or technology inhabited and controlled by demonic forces. Humans that create a piece of hardware that is self-aware, no matter what its source of consciousness is, would be proud of their creation.

seekingmuch · Feb 17, 2019

If you saw the movie Blade runner, the robot (Rutger Hauer) was self-aware. But, I just don't see mankind getting there (creating an organic brain). The movie was based on the idea that a man's creation would be his murderer eventually.

I think the scarier thing is what we are doing to manipulate DNA (playing God).

Remember what Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic Park?

Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now

[bangs on the table]

Dr. Ian Malcolm: you're selling it, you wanna sell it. Well...

John Hammond: I don't think you're giving us our due credit. Our scientists have done things which nobody's ever done before...

Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

timothyu · Feb 17, 2019

seekingmuch said:
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

That sounds like mankind on a daily basis since the Garden.

seekingmuch · Feb 17, 2019

Tone said:
In other words, demonic assistance with technology...

God is the creator. Satan isn't. I'm sure demons over the years have assisted with inventions, but everything Satan does is based on replicating something God already did, but not with God's perfection and complete attention to every detail. It would be an illusion, not a creation if the Devil did it.

I remember reading Jim Morrison supposedly sold his soul to the Devil, and Morrison was a witch, for fame and fortune and then died mysteriously very young from a Heroin OD. He even wrote a song about a demon possessing him and said it was still there. I'm sure there are songs and some books and some poems that were actually written by demons.

But, I really can't imagine a demon whispering the code in some guy (or girls) ear that would make AI self-aware. Self-aware requires a soul, which only God can provide.

timothyu · Feb 17, 2019

seekingmuch said:
But, I really can't imagine a demon whispering the code in some guy (or girls) ear that would make AI self-aware.

Angels have enough competition with humans without expanding the field. We are quite capable of making our own mistakes.

Tone · Feb 17, 2019

seekingmuch said:
Self-aware requires a soul, which only God can provide.

Well, what about the nephilim and, in modern times, transhumanism?
Transhumanism - Wikipedia

*Seems like all these "super-hero" movies serve to condition society to accept this idea.

Dave-W · Mar 19, 2019

Old McDonald had an automated farm,
AI, AI, oh........

morse86 · Mar 24, 2019

At the end of the day, it's all just a bunch of "if conditions". Neural networks are dumb as hell.

Phillip Huffman · Mar 25, 2019

In short, no, neither AI nor deep learning will result in a skynet like system.

tonyj88 · Apr 7, 2019

I sure pray not - technology seemed to have advanced so much and so fast in these past 5 years.

trophy33 · Apr 10, 2019

Self-aware like dogs, cats, humans?

Or self-aware like insects, cells, bacterias?

Aaron112 · Jan 4, 2023

seekingmuch said:
With the advent of robots being perfected and Alexa and Google Assistant, along with Siri, becoming so sophisticated, will artificial intelligence become self-aware one day?

As the world defines 'self-aware', it has already happened.

See if you care to online interviews on talk shows with a robot that was granted legal citizenship by a worldly country government.

Tuur · Jan 5, 2023

seekingmuch said:
With the advent of robots being perfected and Alexa and Google Assistant, along with Siri, becoming so sophisticated, will artificial intelligence become self-aware one day? Facebook actually killed an A.I. experiment between two bots because the bots developed their own language to talk to each other, allegedly, and the programming got "weird."

No.

Skynet is just fantasy.

Your love bot, which is quickly approaching reality in Japan, they also started the love doll craze that some companies in America are mastering, or Alexa or Siri or Google Assistant (she needs a better name, LOL) will not become self-aware nor will Google, probably the most advance network ever. I watched a docu on love dolls and it was really fascinating. It's on Youtube. Remember the movie I, Robot? I seriously doubt watching television would be the only thing humans would be doing with those robots.

Why?

Self-awareness requires a test. It's called the mirror test. Only humans, orangutans and chimps have stopped, looked in the mirror and tried to touch themselves signifying "self-awareness." Other than those three, and we don't know what the two monkeys are actually thinking so they probably aren't self-aware either just curious, all other animals think their mirror image is another animal. Cats are absolutely hilarious looking at themselves in the mirror. LOL

But, besides the mirror test, self-awareness requires something only God can give--the spirit and soul. No matter how realistic Alexa or Siri or G.H. could become even in a robot form, they'd only be following clever programming.

What do you think?

About cats: It might depend on context. We have one, not exceptionally intelligent, that does seem to inspect herself in mirrors. OTOH, another, much smarter, didn't. Yet both learned they can watch us without turning their heads by looking in a mirror, and behave like they know it's us and not some stranger. I also wonder about the mirror test in species that rely more heavily on other senses.

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