What about the "Armageddon" and "Gog Magog" Wars in Revelation?

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 18, 2019

There was a discussion on another thread concerning Armageddon and Gog Magog.
I decided to add a poll thread to better view member's views on those events.

You have the option to vote on 2 of the choices and to change your vote/s.

If you would like more options, please let me know.
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Here is the link to a few of the posts from the other thread, where a few members view the Gog Magog war as occurring first..
I do not find that view plausible or scriptural, and is actually the first I have heard of it on CF.
Please vote if you respond to the thread.
I will be going in depth with this using the Greek and Hebrew and verses from both the OT and NT to harmonize those 2 events.

Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39

Douggg said:
Douggg said:

Following the text of Ezekiel 38-39, walk me through the text of why I have it wrong. And why you may think this is part or all history.
Here is what I say, to happen during your lifetime...
Gog/Magog takes place - Ezekiel 38
Gog's army is destroyed - Ezekiel 39:4
Then Armageddon - Ezekiel 39:17-20
Jesus returned to earth - Ezekiel 39:21-29.

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Oscarr said:

We need to take into account of the destruction of Judea and the wholesale slaughter of its people by the Romans in AD 70.

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DavidPT said:

Ezekiel 39:17
Do you not realize that the above is connected with the destruction of Gog and his multitude?
Do you not see in verse 4 this?---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel. And in verse 17 this?---even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel
Just because Ezekiel 39:17-20 comes after we already see Gog and his multitude dead and buried, that doesn't mean Ezekiel 39:17-20 chronologically follow after the burying of Gog and his multitude then, as if Ezekiel 39:17-20 are speaking of different events altogether that occur sometime years later after Gog had already been destroyed some years earlier.

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BABerean2 said:

Do you think the weapons listed below will be used on the modern battlefield?

Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears,

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DavidPT said:

Do you use the same logic for Revelation 19 as well, since it too depicts an ancient war scene, yet involves the 2nd coming? It mentions horses in Revelation 19. Do you think they are all going to be on horseback then, when Jesus and his armies confront the beast and it's armies? Of course you don't. And if those horses don't have to be literal horses, which we both agree they are not, why do you think the weapons in Ezekiel 39 have to actually be literal ancient weapons then?

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shilohsfoal said:

Armageddon is not mentioned in ezekiel 38 or 39.
Jesus coming is not mentioned in Ezekiel,38 or 39 unless your rewriting ezekiel for ezekiel.
If you are rewriting Ezekiel 39-39 then you will need to add the words armegedon and Jesus.

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shilohsfoal said:

Birds are always eating dead bodies.Thats what birds do.Every war someone being eaten on.
Where do it say that war is Armegeddon? Where is the beast mentioned?Whete is the false prophet?
Jesus teaches the war of Armegeddon comes before Gog invades Israel. You say its the opposit.
According to you Jesus is wrong.

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shilohsfoal said:

Jesus teaches the war of Armegeddon is before the invasion of Gog.
Why are you saying the opposite of Jesus? Are you somehow trying to prove Jesus wrong by your understanding?

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shilohsfoal said:

Ezekiel 38-39 does not say anything about the coming of Christ or the war of Armegedon.
How can I give you a walk through of events that dont exist in Ezekiel 38-39?
Revelation does have both Armeggedon and the invasion of Gog.
Now the question. Why do you teach the opposite of what Jesus teaches?Who side are you on?

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shilohsfoal said:

The war of Armeggedon and the coming of Christ is not in Ezekiel 38-39. You cant teach something that is not there.
You have been,teaching that Gog will invade Israel before the war of Armeggedon.
Jesus teaches that the war of Armeggedon comes 1000 years before Gog invades Israel.
Why do you oppose the words of Jesus?

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shilohsfoal said:

Ezekiel 38-39 is about the invasion of Israrl by Gog.Thats all it is.
No Armeggedon and no coming of Jesus.

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shilohsfoal said:

You never answerd my question.
Jesus teaches the war of Armeggedon is 1000 years before Gog invades Israel .
You teach God invades Israel before the war of Armeggedon.
Why do you teach the opposite of Jesus?What do you have against his order?

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Douggg said: ↑Give me something like this.
Israel will be living at rest and safely before Gog/Magog takes place, Ezekiel 38:8-11
Gog/Magog takes place - Ezekiel 38
Then Armageddon - Ezekiel 39:17-20
Jesus returned to earth - Ezekiel 39:21-29.

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keras said: ↑
The Biblical story, not overlaid with preconceived ideas:
Gog invades the holy Land, not long recovered from being burned over and depopulated by the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal event, many years before the glorious Return Armageddon.

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Here the verses that contains Gog Magog:

Ezekiel 38:
“Son of adam.
Place! faces of thee to Gog, land of the Magog, price of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal and prophecy against him.
, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh,[fn] Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Revelation 20:8
and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the ones in the Four Corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog,
to be together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand<285> of the Se<2281>a.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]
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And the battle of Armageddon

Revelation 16:
14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which are going-out upon the kings of the whole home-land<3625>,
to-be-together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.
16 And they together-leading/mobilize/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn<717>

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Gregory Thompson · Mar 18, 2019

Gog and Magog were DC comic book characters. But we're talking about the bible here .. okay .. hmmm .

Well, I've been hearing from futurists for the longest time that Gog and Magog is Russia

But I think Acts 1:6-8 tells me why no one can agree on anything eschatological.

shilohsfoal · Mar 18, 2019

Revelation 20 is a correct sequence of events for those who believe Christ.
Revelation reveals the truth.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 18, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Gog and Magog were DC comic book characters. But we're talking about the bible here .. okay .. hmmm .

Well, I've been hearing from futurists for the longest time that Gog and Magog is Russia

But I think Acts 1:6-8 tells me why no one can agree on anything eschatological.

Hello M C. Thanks for posting that little wit of humor LOL.

Concerning Acts 1, I actually have a rather unique view on that in relation to the 10 kings in Revelation 17

Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Acts 1:
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, are you now restoring the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It isn't for you to know times or seasons which the Father has set within his own authority.

Revelation 17:12
And the ten Horns which thou saw are ten Kings, who any a Kingdom not as yet received, [Daniel 7:24]
but authority as Kings one hour they are obtaining with the beast,

Now we need to identify that great Harlot City in Revelation 17 that the 10 Kings God is sending against

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 17
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
and shall be burning<2618> Her in fire.
17 For the GOD gives<1325> into Their hearts to do<4160> the mind<1106> of Him, and to do One mind
and to give Their kingdom to the Beast
until shall be being finished<5055> the words of the GOD.

18 and the Woman whom thou saw is being the great City,
the one having a kingdom<932> over the kings of the land.’

Hank77 · Mar 18, 2019

My view, with scriptures, is best stated in this article by Sam Storms.
Armageddon (what and when?)

Gregory Thompson · Mar 18, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Hello M C. Thanks for posting that little wit of humor LOL.

Concerning Acts 1, I actually have a rather unique view on that in relation to the 10 kings in Revelation 17

Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Acts 1:
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, are you now restoring the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It isn't for you to know times or seasons which the Father has set within his own authority.

Revelation 17:12
And the ten Horns which thou saw are ten Kings, who any a Kingdom not as yet received, [Daniel 7:24]
but authority as Kings one hour they are obtaining with the beast,

Now we need to identify that great Harlot City in Revelation 17 that the 10 Kings God is sending against

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 17
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
and shall be burning<2618> Her in fire.
17 For the GOD gives<1325> into Their hearts to do<4160> the mind<1106> of Him, and to do One mind
and to give Their kingdom to the Beast
until shall be being finished<5055> the words of the GOD.

18 and the Woman whom thou saw is being the great City,
the one having a kingdom<932> over the kings of the land.’

Well, that's an obvious mimickry of the god Europa, the way European industrialism has devoured the earth and trampled the rest under its feet is pretty telling ..

Maria Billingsley · Mar 18, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
There was a discussion on another thread concerning Armageddon and Gog Magog.
I decided to add a poll thread to better view member's views on those events.

You have the option to vote on 2 of the choices and to change your vote/s.

If you would like more options, please let me know.
=================================
Here is the link to a few of the posts from the other thread, where a few members view the Gog Magog war as occurring first..
I do not find that view plausible or scriptural, and is actually the first I have heard of it on CF.
Please vote if you respond to the thread.
I will be going in depth with this using the Greek and Hebrew and verses from both the OT and NT to harmonize those 2 events.

Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39

Here the verses that contains Gog Magog:

Ezekiel 38:
“Son of adam.
Place! faces of thee to Gog, land of the Magog, price of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal and prophecy against him.
, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh,[fn] Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Revelation 20:8
and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the ones in the Four Corners of the land, the Gog and the Magog,
to be together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand<285> of the Se<2281>a.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]
=============================================
And the battle of Armageddon

Revelation 16:
14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which are going-out upon the kings of the whole home-land<3625>,
to-be-together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.
16 And they together-leading/mobilize/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn<717>

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Gog of Magog is simply the means to do the will of God. Destroy them who destroy Him.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 18, 2019

Maria Billingsley said:
Gog of Magog is simply the means to do the will of God. Destroy them who destroy Him.

Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 18, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

There are a few other members that quote that verse a lot, so I created a thread on it :angel:

Revelation 11:18 "2nd Woe passed, dead judged, reward the Saints"

Revelation 11:
14 The woe, the second is passed away<565>.
Behold! the woe, the third coming swiftly<5035>.
15 And the seventh Messenger trumpets, and there became great voices/sounds in the heaven, saying, ‘became the kingdom of the world<2889> of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall be reigning into the ages of the ages!’
16 and the twenty four Elders, in view of the God, are sitting upon their thrones and fall upon their faces, and worship to the God,
17 saying,
"We are thanking to Thee Lord, the God, the Almighty,
the One being, and and the One was, [and who art coming],
that Thou has taken/gotten the power of Thee, the great, and Thou reign.
18 And the nations are angered<3710>,
and came Thy wrath<3709>,
And the time/season<2540> of the dead to be judged<2919>,
And to give the reward/wages<3408> to Thy bondslaves, the Prophets and to the Saints,
and to those fearing<5399> Thy name, to the small and to the great
And to destroy/ruin<1311> those destroying/ruining<1311> the land.”

Gregory Thompson · Mar 18, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
There are a few other members that quote that verse a lot, so I created a thread on it

Revelation 11:18 "2nd Woe passed, dead judged, reward the Saints"

Revelation 11:
14 The woe, the second is passed away<565>.
Behold! the woe, the third coming swiftly<5035>.
15 And the seventh Messenger trumpets, and there became great voices/sounds in the heaven, saying, ‘became the kingdom of the world<2889> of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall be reigning into the ages of the ages!’
16 and the twenty four Elders, in view of the God, are sitting upon their thrones and fall upon their faces, and worship to the God,
17 saying,
"We are thanking to Thee Lord, the God, the Almighty,
the One being, and and the One was, [and who art coming],
that Thou has taken/gotten the power of Thee, the great, and Thou reign.
18 And the nations are angered<3710>,
and came Thy wrath<3709>,
And the time/season<2540> of the dead to be judged<2919>,
And to give the reward/wages<3408> to Thy bondslaves, the Prophets and to the Saints,
and to those fearing<5399> Thy name, to the small and to the great
And to destroy/ruin<1311> those destroying/ruining<1311> the land.”

I totally punched 1311 into my electronic bible and found this:
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt <1311> minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Imagine if it was translated as destroyed minds?

ewq1938 · Mar 18, 2019

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon is a place where a wicked army is gathered for a special battle. This is not involving Gog and Magog. The battle is recorded in Rev 19:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

So, the war of Armageddon happens at the second coming.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This is a different "war" that happens long after Armageddon and happens in a completely different place and how this army is destroyed is completely different than the army at Armageddon.

Armageddon: at the second coming, before the thousand years begins, Jesus kills the beasts army with the sword of his mouth and birds eat the dead, beast and false prophet cast into the LOF.

Outside of Jerusalem and the camp of the saints: long after the second coming, after the thousand years has ended, God the Father in heaven kills the army of Gog and Magog with fire, no birds eating the dead, Jesus and his army not involved in this "war", Satan cast into the LOF, the beast and false prophet are already in the LOF showing the war of Armageddon happened already and is a past event.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 18, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Armageddon is a place where a wicked army is gathered for a special battle.
This is not involving Gog and Magog. The battle is recorded in Rev 19:

So, the war of Armageddon happens at the second coming.

This is a different "war" that happens long after Armageddon and happens in a completely different place and how this army is destroyed is completely different than the army at Armageddon.

Yes, Jesus said that would be the full end of the Age, but nothing about a 1000yr period and yet another end of the age/world.
Gotta figure out that symbolic 1000rys......time, times, half a time maybe?

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4931-5055> of the Age?

Mark 13:4
Tell to us! when these shall be being?
and what the Sign whenever may be being about<3195> these.

Luke 21:7
They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?
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2 Peter and James also shows the Parousia........
The Day of God is also the same as the parousia of the Lord Jesus.........

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared<1448>

# 3089 used in this parousia verse of Peter is used 4 times in Revelation, generally denoting a "loosing"

2 Peter 3:12 - toward expecting and hastening the parousian <3952> of the Day of the God, by which heavens being fired<1448> shall being loosed<3089> and elements being burned<2741> being melted<5080>

3089. luo loo'-o a primary verb;
to "loosen" (literally or figuratively):--break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)loose, melt, put off. Compare 4486.

Rev 9:14
saying to the sixth messenger who had the trumpet, 'Loose the four messengers who are bound at the great river Euphrates;'
Rev 9:15
and loosed were the four messengers, who have been made ready for the hour, and day, and month, and year, that they may kill the third of men;
Rev 20:3
and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.
Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,

ewq1938 · Mar 18, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Yes, Jesus said that would be the full end of the Age, but nothing about a 1000yr period and yet another end of the age/world.

He mentions it in Rev 20 and there is nothing in the passage to suggest anything other than the amount of time he gives: a thousand years. There are many ages and many last days of each age. The last day of the old covenant, the last day of the age since the cross, the last day of the thousand years, the last day of the GWTJ before the NHNE age of eternity begins...

Sanoy · Mar 19, 2019

I think Gog is the spiritual identity of the person that leads the events before and after the millennial reign. In Revelation 20 Gog is pitted with the 4 corners of the earth but in Ezekiel he is residing in the North. When Gog gets out of prison in Revelation 20 Jerusalem is already restored in the Millennial reign, but when Gog is defeated in Ezekiel 39:25-29 God shows His mercy on the house of Israel, and they shall forget their treachery. So the Gog in Ezekiel is before the Millennial reign, and the Gog in Revelation is after it.

So my answer is both, "Gog" is a spiritual identity behind both distinctly different events. I think some of the Septuagint writers were thinking this too when they added the "king Gog" gloss on Amos 7:1.

shilohsfoal · Mar 19, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon is a place where a wicked army is gathered for a special battle. This is not involving Gog and Magog. The battle is recorded in Rev 19:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

So, the war of Armageddon happens at the second coming.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This is a different "war" that happens long after Armageddon and happens in a completely different place and how this army is destroyed is completely different than the army at Armageddon.

Armageddon: at the second coming, before the thousand years begins, Jesus kills the beasts army with the sword of his mouth and birds eat the dead, beast and false prophet cast into the LOF.

Outside of Jerusalem and the camp of the saints: long after the second coming, after the thousand years has ended, God the Father in heaven kills the army of Gog and Magog with fire, no birds eating the dead, Jesus and his army not involved in this "war", Satan cast into the LOF, the beast and false prophet are already in the LOF showing the war of Armageddon happened already and is a past event.

I agree with everything but one.
Birds like meat thats well done just as they do raw meat.They are not picky eaters.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 19, 2019

I just ran across an old thread on this same topic and it also had a poll thread.
Interesting results:

Armegeddon and Gog-magog same event?

I view them as the same event
15 vote(s)
21.7%
I view them as different events
43 vote(s)
62.3%
I am not sure
7 vote(s)
10.1%
Does it really matter?
4 vote(s)
5.8%

claninja · Mar 19, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Gotta figure out that symbolic 1000rys......time, times, half a time maybe?

Time, times, and half a time is definitely a possibility, one that I have been thinking about a lot lately and will continue to study.

Although, another possible interpretation:

the 1000 years to be literal in the sense of Jesus fulfilling David to never lack a man to sit on the throne. There were 1000 years between David and Jesus.

Jeremiah 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel

Through the work of Jesus' ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and reign, satan is bound and cast out

John 12:31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the prince of this world will be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

John 14:30 will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me

Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation 12:7-9 Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him

Mark 3:27 Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.

Through the work of Jesus' ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and reign, the beast is triumphed over.

Revelation 17:14 They will make war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome over them.

Colossians 2:15-15 This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army.

Acts 4:25-27 who through the mouth of our father David, your servant,d said by the Holy Spirit, “‘Why did the Gentiles rage, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’e— for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel

After the 1000 years, satan comes out of the abyss
revelation 7:11 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the abyss will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,

Revelation 17:8 beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the abyss and go to destruction

Revelation 20:2-3 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

After the 1000 years, satan's time is short

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.

Revelation 20:3 After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

Revelation 17:10-11 Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction.

***work/study still in progress

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 19, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Gotta figure out that symbolic 1000rys......time, times, half a time maybe?

claninja said:
Time, times, and half a time is definitely a possibility, one that I have been thinking about a lot lately and will continue to study.

Although, another possible interpretation:

the 1000 years to be literal in the sense of Jesus fulfilling David to never lack a man to sit on the throne. There were 1000 years between David and Jesus.

***work/study still in progress

Thank you that well thought out post.
I checked back on some of my study folders and came up with a thread I started back in 2008 with the view of time, times, half a time.
Here is a link to it on the Christian Scriptures board for those interested

Revelation 20:2 question
Apr 13, 2008

NILLOC said: ↑
What do you mean by "2 different periods"?

LittleLambofJesus said:
I will give it a shot.

The Bible only speaks of one Time of the End/End of the Age, and I never noticed how much grief those few little verses in Revelation has caused for Christianity so I decided to study the Greek texts on them.

The binding and casting into the abyss "appears" to symbolize, in my humble view, Daniel's time, times, half a time, as Revelation is not in order and a lot of different Visions are in reality the Same ones just in different ways.
Btw, what is your view of it as I certainly could use a little more help on it. Thanks.

Revelation 20:1 And I perceived a messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a chain/alusin, great, on the hand of him.

I would say this could symbolize Daniel's "Time", the time of Christ preaching the Gospel?

2 And he seizes the Dragon, the serpent, the ancient, who is a Devil, and [the] Satan/Adversary. And he binds him a thousand years.

This could symbolize Daniel's "Times" after the Cross and Pentecost where Paul, and the Apostles spread the Holy Spirit?

3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him, that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished the thousand years.

This could symbolize Daniel's "Half a Time", the Final consummation when the OC Jewish Priesthood and Judean people rise up in Rebellion the God sends the Romans against them?

After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time.

Sanoy · Mar 19, 2019

It's interesting that this Millennial reign encompasses around the same length of time as a single preflood lifetime. The whole process is like a progressive, and segmented undoing of the ages. A mirrored reversal with subtle differences. Instead of water dividing an age we have fire.

TribulationSigns · Mar 19, 2019

Gog and Magog of Ezekiel and Revelation are talking about the same event. The reason why some people believe they are two separate events for the same reason either
Satan was bound at the cross, or he is bound sometime in the future, it cannot be both because there is no prophesy of a double binding and loosing or a double millennial period, or of a double kingdom reign, etc., etc. Either the Israel of God is the New Covenant Congregation or it is the Old Covenant congregation that is located in the middle east, but it cannot be both because Christ has only one body and one holy people. Either he is not a Jew who is one outwardly or he is a Jew who is one outwardly because God is not the author of confusion or contradictions. Either the camp of the saints is the nation of the congregation of Israel or it is the New Covenanted congregation of Israel. And there is not one single word in scripture about a double fulfillment of both literal beasts, Kings, wars, plagues etc., and spiritual. Indeed, everything in scripture illustrates one understanding of this issue. Not the least of which is Christ coming looking for fruit in Israel, finding none and declaring that no fruit will grow in the nation of Israel (the Fig Tree) forever. And to this day that faithful prophesy remains true. Even when Christ, as their most famous, beloved and renown favorite son, is most curiously disdained and rejected still. Because the judgment of God is at work here, not the wishful thinking of man. Would that man would not go beyond what the word of God declares of prophesy, but that too is wishful thinking.

Numbers 22:18

"And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more."

Likewise, though I would be praised to the rafters by Dispensationalists if I gave credence to their nonsensical prophesies, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to declare less or more than what is written about Gog and Magog.

What about the "Armageddon" and "Gog Magog" Wars in Revelation?

Views on Armageddon and Gog-Magog in Revelation

Amageddon happens first before Gog-Magog

Gog-Magog happens before Armageddon

They appear to be one and the same events

They are not the same events

I am not sure right now

Other

I view them as one and the same event

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