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Nonsense. A definition has to define!

All you are doing it picking and choosing characteristics so that you can make him out to be what you want him to be..
Didn't you notice the words "and/or" used often in that definition? A right-wing extremist will display one or more of the characteristics found in that definition. If that definition was meant to be taken as a whole in defining a right-wing extremist, the words "and/or" would have been left out. You will probably never find an individual who meets every criteria set forth in that definition.

However, he comes closest to being a Socialist.
I doubt you will find any experts in the field of counter-terrorism or violent extremism that will agree with you on that. This man will go down in the books as a right-wing extremist/terrorists and rightfully so.
 
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I doubt you will find any experts in the field of counter-terrorism or violent extremism that will agree with you on that. This man will go down in the books as a right-wing extremist/terrorists and rightfully so.

it's a classic right wing tactic. either everything is a false flag (that garbage pile limbaugh just made this argument) or perpetrators are all leftists in disguise. they're too scared to ever admit that they are the face of terrorism.
 
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There's a great book Extreme Right Wing Violence and Terrorism that offers research and case studies into right wing violence. The book deals extensively with "counterjihad" and the radicalization of far right extremist groups in response to Islamist terrorism.

One of the most interesting takeaways (besides an appreciation for what actual right-wing extremism is) is that the more that extreme right wing groups feel as though they have a legitimate outlet for their voices, the less likely they are to commit acts of violence.

This is quite relevant in light of current practices in many places of shouting down and silencing voices that depart from politically correct or "socially acceptable" norms. By adopting such approaches and trying to ridicule and silence more extreme voices, we may actually be pushing extremists to see violence as the only outlet they have left.

Anyway, it's an interesting read, and in light of recent events, a relevant one.
 
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There's a great book Extreme Right Wing Violence and Terrorism that offers research and case studies into right wing violence. The book deals extensively with "counterjihad" and the radicalization of far right extremist groups in response to Islamist terrorism.

One of the most interesting takeaways (besides an appreciation for what actual right-wing extremism is) is that the more that extreme right wing groups feel as though they have a legitimate outlet for their voices, the less likely they are to commit acts of violence.

This is quite relevant in light of current practices in many places of shouting down and silencing voices that depart from politically correct or "socially acceptable" norms. By adopting such approaches and trying to ridicule and silence more extreme voices, we may actually be pushing extremists to see violence as the only outlet they have left.

Anyway, it's an interesting read, and in light of recent events, a relevant one.

hmmm the people who typically are the ones being shouted down are the ones that are screaming that all foreigners are invading hordes, that gays need to be forced to go to conversion camp, that jews are replacing us, they are owed sex, and so on and so forth.
it's not like these are decent, regular, people to begin with.
 
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I think more importantly for a Christian is that killing peaceful Muslims is evil because they haven't accepted the Savior yet, and perhaps would have one day. What does that mean? Unsure as I'm not God, but it appears evil.

An extremist may have some other crime they commit, even killing of Christians. And they have :(

Christians shouldn't be killing anyone. Period.

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At the same time as the events in NZ, hundreds of Christians in Nigeria are being slaughtered by Moslem terrorists, but no one in the West cares, except for some religious publications and small-time Conservative websites. Certainly not CNN, NBC, etc. etc.

It doesn't fit the schema of the "Progressives" who can neither bring themselves to care so long as the victims are Christian instead of Moslem and, as well, it doesn't leave them with much of an opening for blaming it all on...you guessed it, President Trump.

Sorry, when the shooter was rammed of the road oppisate my driveway and I couldnt go home due to the imminent risk of the shooters car blowing up, not to mention my family working in the emergency room, dealing with the victims including a five year old who they managed to save but will likely never wake up again, my ability to focus on a country on the other side of the world is severely limited.

Donald Trump promotes white supremacy. His unwillingness to call the attack in my city a terror attack further promotes further damage.

The ironic thing is that this shooter was not on anyones watch list, because we are so busy looking at the so called threat by muslim extremists.

To have an idea of how bad this shooting was, 50 people were killed. If an equivalent shooting happened in America, the death toll would have been in the thousands
 
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hmmm the people who typically are the ones being shouted down are the ones that are screaming that all foreigners are invading hordes, that gays need to be forced to go to conversion camp, that jews are replacing us, they are owed sex, and so on and so forth.
it's not like these are decent, regular, people to begin with.
I disagree with your description of who is getting shouted down. Ben Shapiro, for instance, has been repeatedly shouted down at universities, and he doesn't espouse any of the views you described.

That said, even if your statement is true, and it is generally only the most extreme voices being shouted down, those are exactly the voices that probably shouldn't be silenced.

Extremists are less likely to commit violence when they believe they have legitimate outlets for their views and believe they can participate politically. Furthermore, when extremists can voice their views openly, their views can be engaged (and debunked) based on the merits (or lack thereof) of their arguments. It's also a lot easier to monitor and keep tabs on potential threats when those threats are publicly known.
 
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To have an idea of how bad this shooting was, 50 people were killed. If an equivalent shooting happened in America, the death toll would have been in the thousands
I get that you are upset and have strong beliefs, but your hyperbole does not help advance your viewpoint. It just makes people tune out. Of course, if you seriously believe the statement you just made, then those people are right to tune out.
 
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sure how much should we listen to take into account and listen to the grievances of people who want to either exterminate or ban entire swathes of humanity from being around them?
your entire argument is based on a falsehood. these extremists already have dozens of outlets for their viewpoints. they have fox news, they have whatever else that rupert murdoch owns, they have hundreds of reddit pages, forums, 4 and 8 chan, facebook, twitter, and so on and so forth. what else do you want? do you want the kkk to openly shout their message in the town square? sure they can already do that.
what extremists need is to be shown that their viewpoints are dangerous and stupid. giving legitimacy to and acting as if their views are in anyway based on anything other than fear, stupidity, lunacy is ridiculous. it allows people like rush limbaugh, alex jones, and their ilk to spread poison. and look what happens. based off of garbage that alex jones pushed on his show a man walked into and shot up a pizza parlor thinking there was a child sex dungeon in a basement that the store didn't even have.
talk to them? sure but in the context of psychological counseling. treat them as anything resembling normal? never.
 
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here is the entire argument of people like the new zealand shooter, the nazis that marched in charlottesville, the synagogue shooter. it is that a group that they don't like is around them. the reason they don't like that group is based off of their religion, their skin colour, their names, their language. they don't like that group and they want them gone and/or exterminated.
by giving these sorts of people platforms you are giving them legitimacy and thus normalizing their views.
 
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What qualifies as "hate speech"? What are these forbidden opinions no one shall speak?
I'm guessing you are driving towards freedom of speech. I'm driving towards limitations that are about vilification
 
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I read the wiki on Muslim, but for some reason it was unclear what they believe. They weren't very clear as to whether or not they believed Jesus was God and more importantly the Savior.
No - one of the tenets of Islam is “God has no son.” They do not believe our Lord was divine nor that He rose from the dead.
 
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Christians shouldn't be killing anyone. Period.

-CryptoLutheran

I agree with the exception that war sometimes is necessary. There is a whole wiki page here regarding Christian terrorism: Christian terrorism - Wikipedia Which makes me wonder if the killer thought he was being a Christian?
 
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I agree with the exception that war sometimes is necessary. There is a whole wiki page here regarding Christian terrorism: Christian terrorism - Wikipedia Which makes me wonder if the killer thought he was being a Christian?

There is a valid discussion to be had about self defense and just war theory. The thing about just war theory is that it is exceptionally narrow--a just war requires a number of criterion: it must be a defensive war, never an offensive one; all actions taken must ensure the most minimal amount of violence possible, things such as that. Very few wars ever even come close to meeting the strict requirements of just war theory.

"War is necessary" has often been used to justify all manner of evil in the world. War is not usually necessary, war is very, very rarely ever necessary.

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Sorry, when the shooter was rammed of the road oppisate my driveway and I couldnt go home due to the imminent risk of the shooters car blowing up, not to mention my family working in the emergency room, dealing with the victims including a five year old who they managed to save but will likely never wake up again, my ability to focus on a country on the other side of the world is severely limited.

Donald Trump promotes white supremacy. His unwillingness to call the attack in my city a terror attack further promotes further damage.

The ironic thing is that this shooter was not on anyones watch list, because we are so busy looking at the so called threat by muslim extremists.

To have an idea of how bad this shooting was, 50 people were killed. If an equivalent shooting happened in America, the death toll would have been in the thousands
You're obviously very upset, which is understandable. I am sorry for that. I realize that in such times as these people look somewhere, anywhere, for an explanation, even if it is farfetched. Still, we need to resist the urge to find solace through some grand political scheme or conspiracy theory or in scapegoating, etc.
 
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here is the entire argument of people like the new zealand shooter, the nazis that marched in charlottesville, the synagogue shooter.

and here is the entire argument of people who want to make political hay from this tragedy--"Nazis marched in charlottesville, the synagogue shooter, therefore something."
 
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There is a valid discussion to be had about self defense and just war theory. The thing about just war theory is that it is exceptionally narrow--a just war requires a number of criterion: it must be a defensive war, never an offensive one; all actions taken must ensure the most minimal amount of violence possible, things such as that. Very few wars ever even come close to meeting the strict requirements of just war theory.

"War is necessary" has often been used to justify all manner of evil in the world. War is not usually necessary, war is very, very rarely ever necessary.

-CryptoLutheran

Well I think any decent Christian would agree with you.
 
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I disagree with your description of who is getting shouted down. Ben Shapiro, for instance, has been repeatedly shouted down at universities, and he doesn't espouse any of the views you described.

That said, even if your statement is true, and it is generally only the most extreme voices being shouted down, those are exactly the voices that probably shouldn't be silenced.

Extremists are less likely to commit violence when they believe they have legitimate outlets for their views and believe they can participate politically. Furthermore, when extremists can voice their views openly, their views can be engaged (and debunked) based on the merits (or lack thereof) of their arguments. It's also a lot easier to monitor and keep tabs on potential threats when those threats are publicly known.
I haven’t read the book you cited. I find the theory interesting. What I’ve observed is quite different. When Trump was elected, hate crimes jumped. In my super progressive city, people graffiti’d swasticas all over the place, some guy stole a rainbow flag from in front of a local business, lit it on fire and ran down the street, and in other places white kids chanted “build that wall” at Latino kids. Seems to me that this all came from feeling that since Trump was elected, they didn’t need to hide their prejudice any more. White nationalists now hold rallies in my city. This was exceptionally rare before Trump was elected.
 
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I haven’t read the book you cited. I find the theory interesting. What I’ve observed is quite different. When Trump was elected, hate crimes jumped. In my super progressive city, people graffiti’d swasticas all over the place, some guy stole a rainbow flag from in front of a local business, lit it on fire and ran down the street, and in other places white kids chanted “build that wall” at Latino kids. Seems to me that this all came from feeling that since Trump was elected, they didn’t need to hide their prejudice any more. White nationalists now hold rallies in my city. This was exceptionally rare before Trump was elected.
Your comment raises some interesting questions. Here are a few articles I found that discuss some facets of what you are talking about:

Hate Crimes Are Multiplying In Massachusetts But We Can't Blame Trump

Anti-Semitic Incidents Fuel 17% Rise in Hate Crimes, FBI Says: Crimes targeting Jews increased by 37% in 2017; anti-Muslim crimes fell by 11%

Why Downplay Hate Crimes Against Jews?

Reciprocal rage: why Islamist extremists and the far right need each other
 
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